2018-09-11 I could become a model too

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Re: 2018-09-11 I could become a model too

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Cortez wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:37 am
So you're saying that Zoe probably stopped keeping track of Sandra after Marie slapped her? If it's option b i mean.
I'm saying that maybe the plan 37-B was put the model on probation, see if she can handle herself and learns her lesson, but maybe after Marie slapped Zoé she either said "I'm too old for this shit", or started thinking that maybe she had no idea how to handle protégés (and potential ones) either way she was done with protégés, including Sandra...

Of course this is pure speculation, and right now option a) is more likely.
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Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:21 pm
She was a prospect, more than anything.

No contract or anything. But to be passed over and land a modeling gig without going through any known proper channels, and later to learn it was all because of your rival? That'd definitely anger a person more calm and rational than Zoe.
Eva used a similar pitch to Zoé's, she said Marie was a natural.

If Zoé's upset that Marie didn't go through the proper channels, then she's just as guilty. Besides, Marie was doing mo-cap work for DM Games before she met Zoé, so Zoé should've considered that Marie already had some experience with modelling. If Zoé recognized her potential, then making her wait had the potential to do more harm than good in the long-run.

Granted, we know Eva's only using Marie, but that's beside the point. Because a more benign talent agency could just as easily have given Marie the same opportunity and she'd probably have a more gracious attitude, since she'd be free from Eva's influence.

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Re: 2018-09-11 I could become a model too

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Gotoh wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:22 pm
RConrad wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 4:21 pm
She was a prospect, more than anything.

No contract or anything. But to be passed over and land a modeling gig without going through any known proper channels, and later to learn it was all because of your rival? That'd definitely anger a person more calm and rational than Zoe.
Eva used a similar pitch to Zoé's, she said Marie was a natural.

If Zoé's upset that Marie didn't go through the proper channels, then she's just as guilty. Besides, Marie was doing mo-cap work for DM Games before she met Zoé, so Zoé should've considered that Marie already had some experience with modelling. If Zoé recognized her potential, then making her wait had the potential to do more harm than good in the long-run.

Granted, we know Eva's only using Marie, but that's beside the point. Because a more benign talent agency could just as easily have given Marie the same opportunity and she'd probably have a more gracious attitude, since she'd be free from Eva's influence.
We also have to remember that Zoe promised Marie she'd give her opportunities to model professionally 'after she graduated.'

It's never been stated in any of the strips beforehand, but that statement meant they talked about it further after the proposition was first made.

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Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:19 am
This does all look rather tortuous. Ingrid wants the angry, emotionally confused Marie to listen to her, and she thinks that becoming a model herself ... will cause Marie to see her as an equal ... and therefore cause her to listen. And then, Zoé says no, because she's done with protégés, so Ingrid changes her mind by ... cutting off her long hair, which was certainly nice, but which hadn't previously ever been mentioned as an issue by either Zoé or Ingrid.

Uh, wuh?

If we'd had an actual story, instead of a summary flashback, all this might have been made vaguely plausible, or at least masked by adequate amounts of hand-waving. But as it is, frankly, my suspension of disbelief has snapped.
And yet you can believe Marie’s downward spiral is attributed to her childhood crush not seeing her as more than a friend?

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wow, looks like the hatedom that infests the other pixietrix comics discussions has made its way here
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vampire hunter D wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 8:19 pm
wow, looks like the hatedom that infests the other pixietrix comics discussions has made its way here
Sad, but true. At least it’ll be easier to abandon this forum after the last strip ends.

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Gotoh wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 5:22 pm

If Zoé's upset that Marie didn't go through the proper channels, then she's just as guilty. Besides, Marie was doing mo-cap work for DM Games before she met Zoé, so Zoé should've considered that Marie already had some experience with modelling. If Zoé recognized her potential, then making her wait had the potential to do more harm than good in the long-run.

Granted, we know Eva's only using Marie, but that's beside the point. Because a more benign talent agency could just as easily have given Marie the same opportunity and she'd probably have a more gracious attitude, since she'd be free from Eva's influence.
Mocapisn't modeling.

And working for Eva isn't besides the point, it part of why Marie's going on a self destructive Bender.

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brasca wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 6:51 pm
And yet you can believe Marie’s downward spiral is attributed to her childhood crush not seeing her as more than a friend?
Uh, pardon? I didn’t realise that was a major point of contention.

Anyhow, I’m sure that everyone’s suspension of disbelief has its own critical breaking triggers. Am I alone in finding this one strip a bit arbitrary, though?
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Cortez wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:13 pm
Mocap isn't modeling.
Yes it is. That's what the bodysuits and motion sensors are for. How else do you think the character movement, facial expressions, and lip syncing are so lifelike in the new Tomb Raider series? It's because SquareEnix had the voice actors act out their parts. The work Marie was doing for DM Games was probably similar.

It isn't the same as runway modelling, but those bodysuits leave little to the imagination and she has to perform for an entire studio of animators who're studying every inch of her figure, so they can accurately replicate it along with her movements, for her character. Different audience, different venue, but she was still modelling.

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Gotoh wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:52 pm
Cortez wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:13 pm
Mocap isn't modeling.
Yes it is. That's what the bodysuits and motion sensors are for. How else do you think the character movement, facial expressions, and lip syncing are so lifelike in the new Tomb Raider series? It's because SquareEnix had the voice actors act out their parts. The work Marie was doing for DM Games was probably similar.

It isn't the same as runway modelling, but those bodysuits leave little to the imagination and she has to perform for an entire studio of animators who're studying every inch of her figure, so they can accurately replicate it along with her movements, for her character. Different audience, different venue, but she was still modelling.
Motion Capture is a different art form, like how painting is different from sculpting. They're similar, but not comparable. Mocap doesn't rely on you looking pretty in a dress. It relies on you having the right physical shape and abilities to do what's requested of you.

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Exactly. To say otherwise is ridiculous.

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RConrad wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:19 pm
Gotoh wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:52 pm
It isn't the same as runway modelling, but.

Different audience, different venue, but she was still modelling.
Motion Capture is a different art form, like how painting is different from sculpting. They're similar, but not comparable.
I don't see why they can't be compaired.

For example: game designers may need a model with a certain "look" for the character they're portraying. Runway and swimsuit models also need to have a certain "look" to pull off the fashion they're wearing. For Lara, Square Enix needed someone athletic, whereas Domenico took an interest in Sandra because of her freckles.

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Re: 2018-09-11 I could become a model too

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Gotoh wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:46 am
RConrad wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 11:19 pm
Gotoh wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:52 pm
It isn't the same as runway modelling, but.

Different audience, different venue, but she was still modelling.
Motion Capture is a different art form, like how painting is different from sculpting. They're similar, but not comparable.
I don't see why they can't be compaired.

For example: game designers may need a model with a certain "look" for the character they're portraying. Runway and swimsuit models also need to have a certain "look" to pull off the fashion they're wearing. For Lara, Square Enix needed someone athletic, whereas Domenico took an interest in Sandra because of her freckles.
But they don't have to be photogenic, or have to look like the intended character. Mocap is meant to capture the movements of the body, and nothing more. Modelling is a different beast.

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@RConrad: That depends on the model, their degree of exposure, and popularity.

Camilla Luddington (Lara's mo-cap model/voice actress) is very photogenic and even did part of this year's E3 presentation for 'Shadow of the Tomb Raider'. She was also present at Square Enix's booth during photo shoots and interviews to promote it. Sound familiar?

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Re: 2018-09-11 I could become a model too

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Gotoh wrote:
Sat Sep 29, 2018 2:47 am
@RConrad: That depends on the model, their degree of exposure, and popularity.

Lara's mo-cap model/voice actress is very photogenic and even did part of this year's E3 presentation for 'Shadow of the Tomb Raider'. She was also present at Square Enix's booth during photo shoots and interviews to promote it. Sound familiar?
End of the day, Marie's time as a mocap model at Dark Matter was a part-time job. She lacked any other experience as a model - especially as a fashion model, but Zoe saw she could be one.

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