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technically.............. Gary does not affect this comic strip

BUT

what happens to Amber affects the "betting lines" of who ends up with Gary(if Gary ends up with only one girl)

in paper, taking aside the "people of other comics thus taking out Amber and Sandra despite Gary having a heavy rapport with them" and putting importance to "potential or hinting but has not made actual inroads toward it"

the biggest potential RIGHT NOW is Yuki, second I would say is Kiley, 3rd is Peggy(with reservations as I think actually both Amber and Sandra have a bigger inroad with Gary than Peggy), Zii(heavy hints but not actual inroads toward it YET), than we have Tracy(a deep friendship but no hints that Tracy wants more than that), than Senna (she sees Gary as a toy and Gary finds her fascinating but i can't see him seeing her as his life partner)and than Didi (was higher but at this moment all her focus is on Kiley) and last Sonya(she loves his SGR but has decided he is not exciting and versatile enough in bed

and as I posted. as much as we would like to try to separate the 2 comics(or even 3, as in SOTR),almost all want to compare exactly how much better Gary's version is not jut over Dill's (Amber is only ones who had both) but over Zii's (Both Yuki and Amber say it is Gary, and Sonya kind of reluctantly has hinted it is Gary) but probably want to know if Ray's is slightly bellow Dill's? comparable as in basically same as Dillon? or is it actually BETTER than Gary or his equal? (Amber is at this time THE ONLY ONE who has been with all 3, and has been with Zii..................which actually begs another comparison, how do Dillon and Zii measure against each other? Amber so far has not said how they compare, and Dillon has only done it to Amber, I never seen him do it to Chanelle

basically the real yardstick about this is Amber! with a "minor" for Sonya(she can compare Gary, Zii and maybe Yuki if Yuki has polished Sonya's pearl with her tongue)
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Spidrift wrote:
Milkmaid79 wrote:Then why did they keep bringing him up (and the rest of the Menage cast) in "this comic" in a way similar to how television pathetically attempts to boost rating by stunt casting celebrities in guest roles? Perhaps because whiny Dillon and hypocritical Ruby simply aren't interesting enough?
Gary appeared in a couple of strips during the crossover sequence, and the top of his head may have been visible in a follow-up strip - I forget. If you're coming here for the Gary guest appearances, you're probably doomed to tragic disappointment. And if you find the title character and the chief scene-stealer boring, I'm not sure why you come here at all.
Heck, Dillon barley talks about Gary anymore. If at all. It's why i believed that he had moved on from his crush.

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Spidrift wrote:
JoybuzzerX wrote:There, simples. Now, Ruby, Dillon, Amber, or Ray?
Well about these four :) Ruby is showing off that she's a rude person with a cell phone. Dillion had no idea she took pictures, these likely means Ray didn't either. So now there's pictures of Ray out there kissing Dillion, easily able to be put out on the web, and Ray never asked for that, he asked to be trained on how to be a better kisser for acting.

Amber was basically off screen. Dillion said he was fine with it, so it's not on Amber to give Ray up. Dillion, he should maybe suggest deleting those photos after he gives them a good look over. ;)

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wiseguy wrote:technically.............. Gary does not affect this comic strip

BUT

what happens to Amber affects the "betting lines" of who ends up with Gary(if Gary ends up with only one girl)

in paper, taking aside the "people of other comics thus taking out Amber and Sandra despite Gary having a heavy rapport with them" and putting importance to "potential or hinting but has not made actual inroads toward it"

the biggest potential RIGHT NOW is Yuki, second I would say is Kiley, 3rd is Peggy(with reservations as I think actually both Amber and Sandra have a bigger inroad with Gary than Peggy), Zii(heavy hints but not actual inroads toward it YET), than we have Tracy(a deep friendship but no hints that Tracy wants more than that), than Senna (she sees Gary as a toy and Gary finds her fascinating but i can't see him seeing her as his life partner)and than Didi (was higher but at this moment all her focus is on Kiley) and last Sonya(she loves his SGR but has decided he is not exciting and versatile enough in bed

and as I posted. as much as we would like to try to separate the 2 comics(or even 3, as in SOTR),almost all want to compare exactly how much better Gary's version is not jut over Dill's (Amber is only ones who had both) but over Zii's (Both Yuki and Amber say it is Gary, and Sonya kind of reluctantly has hinted it is Gary) but probably want to know if Ray's is slightly bellow Dill's? comparable as in basically same as Dillon? or is it actually BETTER than Gary or his equal? (Amber is at this time THE ONLY ONE who has been with all 3, and has been with Zii..................which actually begs another comparison, how do Dillon and Zii measure against each other? Amber so far has not said how they compare, and Dillon has only done it to Amber, I never seen him do it to Chanelle

basically the real yardstick about this is Amber! with a "minor" for Sonya(she can compare Gary, Zii and maybe Yuki if Yuki has polished Sonya's pearl with her tongue)
The only one who seems to really care about who is better, is Zii. Those who actually care about Zii, don't care if she's better than Gary, they know she's still good and they like/care/love/crush/psycho-stalk her :p I think Amber has said as much to her, but Zii likely hasn't listened.

The porn stars who were all excited about Gary and blew off Zii, also knew Zii from before and her personality, which hasn't been shown to be a good one when it comes to relationships. So they were of course, meh, Gary is better, we don't care about you. Zii, may of course, see it differently.

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christopheftw wrote:Mote in God's Eye reference?
Well, folklore/legend reference, really. But yes, I ran across that story in TMiGE.
JoybuzzerX wrote:Dillion had no idea she took pictures, these likely means Ray didn't either. So now there's pictures of Ray out there kissing Dillion, easily able to be put out on the web, and Ray never asked for that, he asked to be trained on how to be a better kisser for acting.
Yeah, if Ruby deliberately let those pictures out in public - such as on the Web - she'd be a deeply shitty person. (Ray is a guy with a straight self-image and doubtless a number of somewhat jock-ish friends who think of him as straight.) And if they got out by accident, she'd be stupidly careless. But so far, that hasn't happened. Ruby took pictures of an event at which she was legitimately present, and has shown them to one other person, who was also involved; that's impolite, but not unforgivable, in my opinion. And she strikes me as someone who'd be fairly careful about data security, and I doubt that anyone will be trying to hack her 'phone in the near future (unless Amber and Dillon get seriously famous...). Dillon may want copies, though, and he's more careless.
JoybuzzerX wrote:Dillion, he should maybe suggest deleting those photos after he gives them a good look over.
He maybe should, but he won't. Dillon has a large collection - paper and digital - of photos of hot guys which he's sneaked under even more dubious circumstances (including shots of Andy's butt and abs). He'll just want copies of Ruby's pics to look at on cold nights. Dillon has always had a lousy sense of personal boundaries, and it's probably still worse than Ruby's, even now she's been led astray by Zii's bad example.

Actually, I think that there might be a plot about Ruby's phone and her collection of digital photos to run some time down the line. She's got these pictures, she asked Zii for copies of her candid-yaoi collection, and I'll bet that she's never got around to deleting those selfies of her own legs from a couple of years ago. (She's probably had weirdly ambiguous feelings about them ever since she took them, being Ruby - and she's the retentive sort.) If anyone ever sees the photo folder on her 'phone, they'll be amused; if they're someone who knows Ruby of old, they'll be stunned. And if Ruby knows that they've got out ... well, she'll be horrified, but her exact reactions will say something more about her characters development.
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Spidrift wrote:
christopheftw wrote:Mote in God's Eye reference?
Well, folklore/legend reference, really. But yes, I ran across that story in TMiGE.
JoybuzzerX wrote:Dillion had no idea she took pictures, these likely means Ray didn't either. So now there's pictures of Ray out there kissing Dillion, easily able to be put out on the web, and Ray never asked for that, he asked to be trained on how to be a better kisser for acting.
Yeah, if Ruby deliberately let those pictures out in public - such as on the Web - she'd be a deeply shitty person. (Ray is a guy with a straight self-image and doubtless a number of somewhat jock-ish friends who think of him as straight.) And if they got out by accident, she'd be stupidly careless. But so far, that hasn't happened. Ruby took pictures of an event at which she was legitimately present, and has shown them to one other person, who was also involved; that's impolite, but not unforgivable, in my opinion. And she strikes me as someone who'd be fairly careful about data security, and I doubt that anyone will be trying to hack her 'phone in the near future (unless Amber and Dillon get seriously famous...). Dillon may want copies, though, and he's more careless.
JoybuzzerX wrote:Dillion, he should maybe suggest deleting those photos after he gives them a good look over.
He maybe should, but he won't. Dillon has a large collection - paper and digital - of photos of hot guys which he's sneaked under even more dubious circumstances (including shots of Andy's butt and abs). He'll just want copies of Ruby's pics to look at on cold nights. Dillon has always had a lousy sense of personal boundaries, and it's probably still worse than Ruby's, even now she's been led astray by Zii's bad example.

Actually, I think that there might be a plot about Ruby's phone and her collection of digital photos to run some time down the line. She's got these pictures, she asked Zii for copies of her candid-yaoi collection, and I'll bet that she's never got around to deleting those selfies of her own legs from a couple of years ago. (She's probably had weirdly ambiguous feelings about them ever since she took them, being Ruby - and she's the retentive sort.) If anyone ever sees the photo folder on her 'phone, they'll be amused; if they're someone who knows Ruby of old, they'll be stunned. And if Ruby knows that they've got out ... well, she'll be horrified, but her exact reactions will say something more about her characters development.
You're right, forgot about Dillion's box of photos that he knows others didn't know where taken. This doesn't mean Ruby knows they weren't taken/kept with consent. The same with Zii's pics. For this comic probably never be thought of though, but it still leaves them coming off bad. :p Though, Gary did give up his Amber porn, so who knows Dillion could end up giving up his photos that weren't consentually taken.

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I think Dillon will eventually get tired of the cold war between the sisters and scheme to bring them together by hook or by crook. Or some crisis will come up requiring the sisters to pull together. It will start out as classic teeth-clenched teamwork, but eventually Ruby will soften up. Not that they'll become BFFs though, old habits, especially on Ruby's end, will die hard.

I don't blame Amber so much for the conflict between them though. For Amber, it was largely unintended consequences of her chosen career at the time, and she was probably not even aware of what that was doing to Ruby. And now, years of bitterness and other hard feelings on Ruby's part have built up a wall between them that Amber feels totally unable to climb over, especially since the mines and barbed wire at the bottom of it (Ruby's overall prickliness towards her) make even attempting to climb it painful. Doesn't help that Ruby has purposefully turned herself into a completely different kind of person to distance herself further, making it even more difficult for Amber to relate to her. If their parents hadn't sent Ruby to live with her, there'd most likely be no chance of reconciliation between them at all. Even with that, it'd take a lot of work on both their parts to make reconciliation happen, and neither of them really knows how to start.
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themacnut wrote:I think Dillon will eventually get tired of the cold war between the sisters and scheme to bring them together by hook or by crook.
Even he should understand that he'll need to work out what the problem is first, though, and I'm still not sure that Ruby would tell him, while Amber doesn't understand the issue well enough to tell him what he needs to know. Anyhow, Dillon hasn't previously been prone to Baldrickian Cunning Plans. That's more Zii or Matt's domain.
themacnut wrote:Or some crisis will come up requiring the sisters to pull together. It will start out as classic teeth-clenched teamwork, but eventually Ruby will soften up. Not that they'll become BFFs though, old habits, especially on Ruby's end, will die hard.
As I've said before, something involving their parents, and maybe Amber getting a little fame from the acting, seems like a possible trigger. That might lead to Amber having to talk to Ruby a bit more thoughtfully, and maybe Ruby discovering that she now quite likes life in Montreal when her parents suggest or demand that she comes home, but no, it wouldn't give Ruby any more reason to like Amber. Unless she sees Amber suffering a little, from stress dealing with their parents or, say, her ineptitude at running a normal girlfriend/boyfriend relationship - much as Ruby might initially enjoy seeing Amber unhappy, the realisation that Amber's decisions have their own consequences might cause her to think a little.
themacnut wrote:I don't blame Amber so much for the conflict between them though. For Amber, it was largely unintended consequences of her chosen career at the time, and she was probably not even aware of what that was doing to Ruby.
I'd blame her insofar as she is just so totally, stupidly incapable of understanding someone who doesn't think like herself. It's not just the problem after the teenage party disaster; it's pretty obvious that even before that, Ruby was nerdy, cerebral, and conventional. But Amber can't understand "quiet" or "conventional" or "cerebral", so she didn't understand the trouble she was causing, and now she can't understand how to fix it.

I tend to assume that Amber did ask Ruby to lie to their parents, or at least strongly encouraged her to keep quiet, but being Amber, she would have thought that this was no big deal. After all, she wasn't even asking Ruby to lie much - just not to say anything. And she'd have not been telling mummy and daddy about stuff that would just worry them for years before she got into the porn business. But to someone like Ruby, for whom simple honesty and the truth are basic virtues, it was a hideously big deal. And now, Amber doesn't understand why Ruby despises her...

(It's very possible that Dillon gets on so much better with Ruby than Amber does because he knows about being a confused teenager, and about hiding the truth when your every instinct is to yell it from the rooftops.)
themacnut wrote:And now, years of bitterness and other hard feelings on Ruby's part have built up a wall between them that Amber feels totally unable to climb over, especially since the mines and barbed wire at the bottom of it (Ruby's overall prickliness towards her) make even attempting to climb it painful.
It'd be nice if Amber understood even that much.

I guess it may be necessary for Ruby to explain to Amber, in words of one syllable, what the problem is. Ten minutes of screaming in her sister's face why she hates her, followed by a slammed door, would be as painful for Ruby as for Amber - but it might get the job done.
themacnut wrote:Doesn't help that Ruby has purposefully turned herself into a completely different kind of person to distance herself further, making it even more difficult for Amber to relate to her.
I guess that's why I instinctively take Ruby's side when things turn difficult between them. Without the Amber problem, well, she would probably still have been a friendless teenage nerd, but that's a totally recoverable state. (Known too many friends who've been there and got the fucking T-shirt.) She'd likely have moderated the nerdiness a little with time, probably found a nice, conventional boyfriend or two, and quite possibly have ended up quietly happy. She's now working around to a slightly more complex sort of happiness, but she should have been offered the choice of the smoother road.
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Not that I expect the differences between the sisters to be resolved anytime soon. There's too much comedy still to be mined from Ruby's animosity, and her pride and Amber's cluelessness will also help keep them apart awhile yet. I'm not sure that Ruby even would allow the loss of control that would be required for her to go off on her sister the way you describe, and if that did happen, Amber may be too hurt and/or angered herself from being on the receiving end to hear the underlying hurt. And so the wall between them goes up ever higher....

Quite frankly, siblings IRL who have grown as far apart as those two have, who have that animosity between them as well, often never reconcile. It's just easier to avoid each other at family gatherings, or not go at all. And of course, they're already well into the habit of never calling or writing each other, why change now?
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Proud or not, Ruby isn't actually that great on control. She's snapped at Amber often enough; given some specific and sufficiently large provocation, I really could imagine her losing it that far. Imagine a much, much nastier version of the wall of text she hit Amber with over the "first kiss" question.
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is not set on stone that the issue and trigger for Ruby is simply that her sister was doing x rated movies and Ruby saw her sister doing that in a movie shown at a party

it can easily be that part of the trigger was the comments made by the boys asking or demanding for Ruby(and other girls at the party) to do "like the actresses" of the movie(without being integral for this that the boys knew that one actress in the movie was Ruby's sister, they probably had no idea it was Amber Larose, hometown girl whose natural hair seems to be black according to flashback of Zii and Amber as high school teens but she went blonde for her porno career )
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Spidrift wrote: Yeah, if Ruby deliberately let those pictures out in public - such as on the Web - she'd be a deeply shitty person. (Ray is a guy with a straight self-image and doubtless a number of somewhat jock-ish friends who think of him as straight.) And if they got out by accident, she'd be stupidly careless. But so far, that hasn't happened. Ruby took pictures of an event at which she was legitimately present, and has shown them to one other person, who was also involved; that's impolite, but not unforgivable, in my opinion. And she strikes me as someone who'd be fairly careful about data security, and I doubt that anyone will be trying to hack her 'phone in the near future (unless Amber and Dillon get seriously famous...). Dillon may want copies, though, and he's more careless.
She's a deeply shitty person regardless-it's the equivalent of a creep taking an upskirt photo, as long as he kept said photo to himself for personal satisfaction.

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And she's already started sharing them. I can only imagine when she discovers the internet and male on male sites, when she starts sharing her collection.

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Milkmaid79 wrote:
Spidrift wrote: Yeah, if Ruby deliberately let those pictures out in public - such as on the Web - she'd be a deeply shitty person. (Ray is a guy with a straight self-image and doubtless a number of somewhat jock-ish friends who think of him as straight.) And if they got out by accident, she'd be stupidly careless. But so far, that hasn't happened. Ruby took pictures of an event at which she was legitimately present, and has shown them to one other person, who was also involved; that's impolite, but not unforgivable, in my opinion. And she strikes me as someone who'd be fairly careful about data security, and I doubt that anyone will be trying to hack her 'phone in the near future (unless Amber and Dillon get seriously famous...). Dillon may want copies, though, and he's more careless.
She's a deeply shitty person regardless-it's the equivalent of a creep taking an upskirt photo, as long as he kept said photo to himself for personal satisfaction.
There is great degree of difference in taking a picture of Ray who is getting acting lessons from Dillon so he can convincingly portray a gay man on stage or screen and upskirt pictures. Ray fully intends to be seen whereas the victims of upskirting do not. Your moral equivalency is stretched pretty far, but the only similarity is consent. Moreover, it is possible that Ruby took the pictures and then showed them to Ray so he could see what he looks like when he is kissing Dillon. She might have complimented him on being so convincing and that this is what it will look like on TV. She then might have offered to delete the pictures and when he did not object she kept it. People were not pleased when it appeared that she was going to buy Zii's candid pictures until she raised concerns in the next strip about whether those were taken with consent. She may be a little more corrupted hanging out with Dillon and Zii, but she still has her principles.

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Really? I recall reading that he wanted to work on his kissing technique in general, not that he wanted to play gay men on stage (or have photographic evidence of him kissing Dillon). As for possibilities, it seems like you're reaching to try to keep that halo on Ruby's head. By that logic why have the 'dramatic' reveal of the photos if Ray knew and didn't object to their existence? Wouldn't Dillon already know, since there would be no harm in talking about it openly among the three of them?

Why should 'the only similarity is consent' be brushed off as if consent isn't important?

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