AOI HOUSE (Week 101) - Seating Arrangement

[59cobalt]

Oh, and if you had bothered reading the page you referenced, you'd probably have noticed that it was Echiboo, not Sandy, who got them thrown out of the dorms.

Which raises a few questions.

1. Who does the rodent belong to? Answer: Sandy

2. Who brought the rodent with him to a meeting with the Dean, knowing it causes trouble? Answer: Sandy

You may want to give some evidence for that "knowing it causes trouble" bit.

3. Who is legally responsible for the actions of domestic animals? Answer: The animal's owner.

4. See question 1.

5. Who is responsible for Alex and Sandy being thrown out of the dorm? Answer: Sandy

M-hm. And Alex is responsible for the actions of a pet he is not the owner of how?

Plus, "out of the dorms" and "into AOI House" are not the same, no matter how much you'd like to make it sound that way.

You seem to be unfamiliar with the principle commonly known as "cause and effect".

Not at all. You, however, seem to be unfamiliar with even basic logic. Getting kicked out of the dorms was indeed a precondition for getting into AOI House. Getting into AOI House, however, was not an inevitable consequence of getting kicked out of the dorms.

BTW, I'm still waiting for you to tell me who talked who into signing the contract that actually got them into AOI House.

Did 59cobalt have a reading class?

A rather pathetic attempt to get around answering my question of how Sandy's showing of hentai anime in the student lounge would be of any consequence for Alex if Alex hadn't been involved in the first place. Try again.

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59cobalt

[Lord Styphon]

You may want to give some evidence for that "knowing it causes trouble" bit.

Evidence can be logically inferred. As the hamster is Sandy's pet, it can be reasonably inferred that he is familiar with its behavior, which throughout the run of this series has been to do things like this. Given the evidence and behavior pattern we have for it, it stands to reason that it extends backwards, as well. And, as the owner, Sandy should be aware of this.

Of course, Sandy is also dumber than shit.

M-hm. And Alex is responsible for the actions of a pet he is not the owner of how?

Since the argument I've presented has nothing to do with Alex being responsible for the rodent, and that all of what he has to go through are Sandy's fault, this question is irrelavent.

If you want an answer, to it, though, ask the Dean.

Getting kicked out of the dorms was indeed a precondition for getting into AOI House. Getting into AOI House, however, was not an inevitable consequence of getting kicked out of the dorms.

The possible consequences were limited. They were restricted to on-campus housing. The only other actual realistic alternative anyone bothered mentioning was a fraternity, which would have had its own set of problems and, in the end, would have been pretty much the same thing as what they ended up with. ROTC, provided it was an option, would present a different set problems, and might not have provided the housing they were sorely in need of.

Which they needed because Sandy brought a hamster he couldn't control to a meeting with the dean.

No, Aoi House wasn't the only option, but none of the other possible ones were any better, and none of which changes the fact that if it weren't for Sandy bringing the rodent with him to the woodshed, none of them would have needed to be considered, because the event that got them thrown out wouldn't have happened, and neither would the events that happened as a consequence of it.

Which brings us back to everything that Alex has to suffer through in this series is Sandy's fault.

[59cobalt]

You may want to give some evidence for that "knowing it causes trouble" bit.

Evidence can be logically inferred. As the hamster is Sandy's pet, it can be reasonably inferred that he is familiar with its behavior, which throughout the run of this series has been to do things like this. Given the evidence and behavior pattern we have for it, it stands to reason that it extends backwards, as well. And, as the owner, Sandy should be aware of this.

Please get a dictionary and look up the term "evidence". Notice how its definition differs from the definition of the term "conclusion".

M-hm. And Alex is responsible for the actions of a pet he is not the owner of how?

Since the argument I've presented has nothing to do with Alex being responsible for the rodent, and that all of what he has to go through are Sandy's fault, this question is irrelavent.

Not at all, because if he hadn't been involved in what got the two of them kicked out of the dorms, he wouldn't have gotten kicked out of dorms in the first place. Plain and simple.

Getting kicked out of the dorms was indeed a precondition for getting into AOI House. Getting into AOI House, however, was not an inevitable consequence of getting kicked out of the dorms.

The possible consequences were limited

... yet existing. Which makes everything you uttered afterwards moot.

Which brings us back to everything that Alex has to suffer through in this series is Sandy's fault.

Not at all. What you keep ignoring is: if only Sandy had messed up, only Sandy would've been kicked out, as there would've been no reason at all to kick Alex out too.

And you still failed to answer who talked who into signing the contract. C'mon, don't be shy. It's not that hard.

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59cobalt

[Keyblade Master Sora]

He watching hentai.Plus it was in public!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So? There's worse stuff than La Blue Girl. Besides, how would that have affected Alex if he hadn't been involved?

And quoting Terry Pratchett: "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind."

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59cobalt

What this La Blue Girl?And since you mentioned it as hentai your one heck of a perv.

[59cobalt]

He watching hentai.Plus it was in public!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So? There's worse stuff than La Blue Girl. Besides, how would that have affected Alex if he hadn't been involved?

And quoting Terry Pratchett: "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind."

What this La Blue Girl?

Apparently what Sandy was showing in the student lounge. Google it, tiger.

And since you mentioned it as hentai your one heck of a perv.

I prefer to know what I'm talking about.

Alex and Sandy were roomates in the student dorms at a college. As such Alex has a degree of responsibility for Sandy's actions and Sandy has a degree of resposibility for Alex's actions inside the dorms.

I usually resent being held responsible for someone else's actions when I have no authority over that someone and his actions. However, if we assume for a moment that they are indeed responsible for each other's actions (to a degree at least), then Alex is at least partially at fault, too.

This is not some magic plot device rule Adam has made up to run the story along. It is a real life. It is called being an excessory.

What's "excessory" supposed to mean? I don't seem to recognise that word.

Also it is called the dean being a hot head and over reacting to a hampster on his head.

The first infraction was the possesion of Ramune, a popular Japaneese soft drink. This is just the over reaction of an ignorent dean of students.

My point exactly: the dean overreacting is Sandy's fault how?

The second infraction was the viewing of La Blue Girl in the student lounge, which even if there are worse hentia out there, is still the public viewing of pornograph and not allowed in any public college.

Agreed.

It was most likely Sandy's tape (since most of the anime seen by them is) but Alex partook in the infractable behavior and allowed Sandy to continue showing it. Thus Alex is responsible for for Sandy's hentia because he was his roommate and did not do anything to prevent it.

See above.

Both of these infractions would be irrelivant if the dean followed thru with his forgiveness and gave them a second chance. HOWEVER, Echiboo crawling on the deans head and causeing him to remove his wig whilest removeing the hampster cost both of them their second chance and they were kicked from the dorms because of both their actions in the previous infractions. Since Echiboo is Sandy's pet, Sandy is responcible for the care of his pet, and Sandy brought Echiboo with him to the deans office it is thus Sandy's fault for the two of them being kicked out because he lost them their second chance.

I entirely disagree, since it was most definitely not Sandy alone who got them into a position where a hamster chewing on a wig would get them kicked out. Things like that don't have a single cause and thus not a single person to blame. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Because they needed a place to live they happened to see the (Y)AOI House flyer and went over to join up. Even though Alex was the one to actually sign them up (because Sandy was knocked unconcious)

Go back and read page [12] again. Alex did not sign up for both of them.

it is the sheer fact that Snady got them kicked out that allowed them to sign-up for Aoi House.

As for "Sandy got them kicked out": see above. And to repeat myself: they could have chosen to find a different kind of rent and not sign up with AOI House.

Cause and effect dictates that the actions of Sandy and his pet lead to them liveing at Aoi House.

Non sequitur, as explained above.

The fat nerd got us here, like it or not. =P

Hehe. :happyhappy:

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59cobalt

[Keyblade Master Sora]

OK so maybe this arguement isn't going anywhere.But it may have been just Sandy for one infracture.

You have not considered the possibility that Alex wasn't around when Sandy showed porn in the lounge.

[Keyblade Master Sora]

Are we totally sure about that?Alex may have discovered sandy watching when he saw the big commotion and Sandy was already fininshed with it.