29-03-18 Worth the risk

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29-03-18 Worth the risk

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Re: 29-03-18 Worth the risk

Post by Storm-forge mystique » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:29 am

Well, I see Matt's not the jealous type.

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Re: 29-03-18 Worth the risk

Post by OllieOrOlly » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:37 am

I suppose it is okay since Yuki is happy?
Though, I cannot stand Matt's insincere seriousness - if that makes sense.
Gary's spine is serving him well, although Yuki's enthusiasm may draw him into yet another arguably avoidable sex mishap. Still, one can hope Gary can be straightforward enough to avoid it and perhaps even Yuki will feel released from whatever additional requirements she feels she has to fill.
On a tangent, it is seriously unpleasant thinking of the further sex stuff Matt had convinced - arguably exploited - Yuki into performing, since those suggestions don't seem like things she could think of herself (not from lack of intelligence, but rather lack of experience with men).

The fact that Yuki had begun practicing a different sexual practice because she believed it was a necessity for Gary reinforces my sympathy, especially when it seemed like it was something he mainly enjoyed because Peggy enjoyed it (or rather, his pre-existing enjoyment of it was only worthwhile because of mutual benefit, as opposed to if Yuki does it out of a sense of obligation).
I suppose Yuki's happiness over *conquering* the pegging obstacle made her oblivious to Gary flatly saying he was there only to deliver comic pages, which he is only doing because his first choice for company was otherwise engaged. It made slightly less unfortunate as he isn't looking for a rebound, but still... Not a romantic rebound, but ultimately a distant second.

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Re: 29-03-18 Worth the risk

Post by samtheman » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:46 am

Lol at Gary's face in the last panel. What could possibly go wrong? I'm hoping Gary stands up to Yuki and Matt just like when he stood up to Tracy and James and leaves shortly after having dinner with them.

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Re: 29-03-18 Worth the risk

Post by Eleithrit » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:06 am

What the heck is even going on in this comic

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Re: 29-03-18 Worth the risk

Post by worldshaking00 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 11:57 am

My first reaction from this strip was that it made me sad. Sad, because Gary came over just to give Yuki the artwork.

My second reaction was anger mixed with a little disgust. These were because of Matt. He is helping her overcome her issue, but there lies the issue. He's using her, which I guess shouldn't be a surprise. And she's too naive (and desperate please) to not realize it. Granted: Matt does deserve some sort of reward for living in fear of genital mutilation. Matt is turning Yuki into a real freak (see Rick James).

Then I was happy to see Gary's spine reassert itself, although I did not like hearing what he said. See "sadness" above.

Yuki has her heart in the right place, wanting to give pleasure to Gary. The cost of going through Matt might have been too great, though. Gary needs to separate Yuki and Matt, and have a good discussion with her. That is, if he wants to rekindle their romance. Signs don't look like he's wanting her...

I think I'll puke a little if Matt & Yuki end up a couple. :ymsick:
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Re: 29-03-18 Worth the risk

Post by Error of Logic » Thu Mar 29, 2018 12:28 pm

This ain't right. Yuki is not just a pleasuring-system, and she shouldn't have to think she has to be.

Yuki and Gary need to have a long talk, and Matt needs to get lost.

That said, the new backbone suits Gary very well.

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Re: 29-03-18 Worth the risk

Post by Jackass Mask » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:35 pm

Thanks to Matt, Yuki has a bit too far in the other direction from her original phobia. At least that's just my opinion. But, if it works for her, who am I to judge?

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Re: 29-03-18 Worth the risk

Post by Swiftwinged Doom » Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:51 pm

Sweet freaking Jesus, what the hell did Matt DO to that poor girl!?! She's been broken down from her former self into a walking parody of the C**k Hungry Asian stereotype of so many awful pornos. And I have to say, I'm really disappointed in Gary's apparent apathy to her situation. This is a girl, who even if he doesn't like her romantically anymore, is still one of his closest friends outside of the core cast. In my mind, Yuki and Sandra ARE core cast, since they've been with us since year 1 and we've been watching them grow from the beginning. I also feel it's really shitty on Gary's part that he only recalls his obligations to other people as last minute asides. He also seems to be super fickle in his passions, going from I want to make comics, to I want to study under a Mangaka to I'm at my office working on video game art and every time he takes up a new passion, he just completely discards the others, which feels like a reflection of his romantic life. He just kind of bounces from spot to spot and never really worries about the cost that comes from getting tangled with so many girls sexually. It's caused Yuki to completely rearrange her life to be with him and he just doesn't seem to give a shit at all. It's kind of frightening really
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Re: 29-03-18 Worth the risk

Post by Waker » Thu Mar 29, 2018 2:50 pm

I could be wrong, but I think Gary's abrasive statement might come from jealousy. He may have assumed Yuki would free and instead she's having sex with Matt. Granted its "for Gary", but it was probably a surprise. In the end he still gets caught up in their pace though.

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Re: 29-03-18 Worth the risk

Post by Vitocap » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:03 pm

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Re: 29-03-18 Worth the risk

Post by KittyHat » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:05 pm

Gary doesn't owe either of them anything. If anything, the reverse would be true.

He just needs to figure out where in Crazy Town he finally wants to alight, and that's entirely his decision. Good to see him continuing to show a little backbone.

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Re: 29-03-18 Worth the risk

Post by Spidrift » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:35 pm

Hmm. Is sushi really something one expects as home cooking, even in Japan? I had the idea that it was a specialist skill, and the whole point with good sushi was that you went out to places run by experts. But I'm probably wrong. And anyhow this is probably just another oral sex joke.

Anyhow, for the record, I read this strip as being built around two jokes. One is that Gary has indeed acquired a working spine, which is great for him-- except that everyone around him is so used to him being spineless that they just can't process the idea of him having a mind of his own. Which is borderline realistic -- accommodating people can have a lot of trouble making their point when they do hit a point on which they want to stand firm. Though this could just be comedy obliviousness.

As to the second...
Storm-forge mystique wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:29 am
Well, I see Matt's not the jealous type.
...I think this is more than that. I think that Matt really does have a bit of a thing for Gary, even if he still can't quite admit it. (Hence the past hallucinations problems.) He's awfully, awfully keen to get Gary into threesome situations, if he really sees Gary as a harmless nebbish. Having cute women (previously Peggy, now Yuki) also present isn't unpleasant for him, but may ultimately be an excuse.

It's just a theory, but it fits his behaviour. Though, okay, he is also an habitual perv.
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Sweet freaking Jesus, what the hell did Matt DO to that poor girl!?! She's been broken down from her former self into a walking parody of the C**k Hungry Asian stereotype of so many awful pornos.
Oh, come on -- she's always been a bit of a dodgy Asian stereotype, or at least had a weird tendency to play to that stereotype. It's a long time since she told Kiley that she could please Gary by just lying there while he had sex with her. She's just got a new (distorted) idea of what Gary might want now.
And I have to say, I'm really disappointed in Gary's apparent apathy to her situation. This is a girl, who even if he doesn't like her romantically anymore, is still one of his closest friends outside of the core cast.
From Gary's point of view, Yuki is someone who has no difficulty saying -- nay, demanding -- what she wants, and generally asserting herself. She spent days using him as a human sex toy, and she's kicked him in the nuts more than once. He can hardly be blamed for not seeing her as a poor wilting flower. She's apparently once more saying loud and clear what she wants to do, despite the fact that he never asked for it. I can't blame him for taking her at her word, yet again. Expecting him to suddenly transform into a white knight for her seems a bit much.
I also feel it's really shitty on Gary's part that he only recalls his obligations to other people as last minute asides. He also seems to be super fickle in his passions, going from I want to make comics, to I want to study under a Mangaka to I'm at my office working on video game art and every time he takes up a new passion, he just completely discards the others, which feels like a reflection of his romantic life. He just kind of bounces from spot to spot and never really worries about the cost that comes from getting tangled with so many girls sexually. It's caused Yuki to completely rearrange her life to be with him and he just doesn't seem to give a shit at all. It's kind of frightening really
Gary spent most of the history of this comic being a blank-faced dummy to whom stuff happened. He's now mostly a blank-faced dummy, but one who sometimes wakes up and says "no". Stuff still generally just happens to him. It used to be mostly bad stuff, now it's mostly good stuff, and he's learned to refuse most of the remaining bad stuff. That doesn't make him a deep personality.

Remember, there used to be a time when people like me complained that Gary was the black hole at the centre of the comic -- the tragically undeveloped character who couldn't support actual plot. Nowadays, it's tempting to say that DiDi has taken over that role, becoming the personality-free plot device, while Gary has a personality. But frankly, it's not very much of one. He used not to be very proactive because it did him no good -- he's was beaten down by life. Now, he's not very proactive because he gets loads of hot sex with cool girls, plus his dream job, without having to do very much for himself. There are dim signs that he may actually be beginning to take responsibility for his own life, but nope, he's not there yet.
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Re: 29-03-18 Worth the risk

Post by Swiftwinged Doom » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:55 pm

Fair point that Yuki's always been a bit of a caricature, as much as most of the cast is to a certain degree, but this strip ramps it up even beyond the usual standard, with her mode of speaking being more reminiscent of a mail order bride than an actual person, which makes one wonder what the fuck has been going on during these sessions with Matt
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Re: 29-03-18 Worth the risk

Post by Zellgato » Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:57 pm

yeah... i hate this.. owell.. Matt is seriously a serious user... reminds me of so many scumbags I hate. Though matt I dont' think is doing it intetnionally most of the time. I was hoping he wasn't being user. .but considering the rather.. drastic acts mention (Drastic as in. not something Yuki would normally have done I imagine. Due to her phobia.. but also because except for a few 'insanity induced moments" she hasn't really been the type to assume sex, 3p or more. Like she is apparently assuming will occur after dinner according to Matt's definition).
Granted Yuki is her own adult I guess, so she might enjoy things now rather than being used. but the framework of how it jumps from version B of yuki to Version C is too drastic to not feel like used induced. (note version A was "i want zii and only zii)
Spidrift wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:35 pm
Hmm. Is sushi really something one expects as home cooking, even in Japan? I had the idea that it was a specialist skill, and the whole point with good sushi was that you went out to places run by experts. But I'm probably wrong. And anyhow this is probably just another oral sex joke.
I've made sushi at home, both in the US and when I lived in Japan.. it isn't super duper common, but it isn't super rare either. Its not terribly hard tom ake decent sushi. Its mostly a cost thing. But whatever it is that Matt seems to do for a living seems to pay for an insane amount of living space, mass dinners, sex toys, and all that. its pretty easy to make a really rpetty rolled sushi flower. and if you're making something like nigiri? even easier.
hell in Japan you can buy a tray of nigirizushi for about 4bucks. a big tray. Or just rolled tuna for about 2 bucks for a lot.

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Sweet freaking Jesus, what the hell did Matt DO to that poor girl!?! She's been broken down from her former self into a walking parody of the C**k Hungry Asian stereotype of so many awful pornos. And I have to say, I'm really disappointed in Gary's apparent apathy to her situation. This is a girl, who even if he doesn't like her romantically anymore, is still one of his closest friends outside of the core cast. In my mind, Yuki and Sandra ARE core cast, since they've been with us since year 1 and we've been watching them grow from the beginning. I also feel it's really shitty on Gary's part that he only recalls his obligations to other people as last minute asides. He also seems to be super fickle in his passions, going from I want to make comics, to I want to study under a Mangaka to I'm at my office working on video game art and every time he takes up a new passion, he just completely discards the others, which feels like a reflection of his romantic life. He just kind of bounces from spot to spot and never really worries about the cost that comes from getting tangled with so many girls sexually. It's caused Yuki to completely rearrange her life to be with him and he just doesn't seem to give a shit at all. It's kind of frightening really
Gary isn't really apathetic to her right here. Those two are conseual adults. He properly stated his opinion when she stated "for gary" he turned her down solidly. From his perception, since she never brought anything up. This looks entirely like Matt and Yuki are "a thing" (vomit) and that she and he just want him to join in for a threesome (as both Yuki and Matt have tried at least once before on seeprate occasions with varying succcess)
So.. he turned them down, and probably will turn them down again more solidly next panel. It isn't lack of empathy, its the perception. Set forth by the kind of person he knows matt is, and by the fact that Yuki is.. quite different than how he remembers. and she even happily set up walking in on their sex.
So.. from Gary's PoV it probably isn't terribly different from the Traci situation. He doesn't know any of the real backstory of how those two ended up (vomit).

As for being fickle.. hasn't it been like 2 or 3 years in comic land? at least 2. It isn't like he's in a real career until recently. He has a skill set and he's trying to find work that suites him and his goals in life. Comics didn't work out, simply not feesible. then he saw an opportunity for side work with Yuki on a manga. Which. he is still doing-apparently free of charge- as a hobby for/with a friend. Lastly he was offered a solid paying job with real benefits and stability. Stabilty which Gary really needed after the kind of year and half or more he had with all the dramabombs culminating in his need to GTFO for a while on vacation/self discovery trip.

As for the sexually tangled up thing.... Except for Kylie, and Yuki (though no actual sex there) every sexual encounter has solidy been "casual" or even tricked into (like with Amber swirly) --usually by their preference/admission/statements. So there really isn't an entaglement going on there.
Kylie was a proper entanglment since there was a good emotional connection they both sort of wanted but couldnt' because of Yuki situation.
Yuki (originally) was a strong emotional connection. BUT. when they broke up, she didnt' really tell him why. She just left him and then decided various things on her own well outside of discussing it with him. So. Last he knew she had no interest in him. Except for the situation where they had sex with the 3some thing going on. Which to his perception was Yuki and (I forget rock girl's name) pulling him into it. NOt Yuki having feelings for him. They never stated any other way about that and Yuki and the other girl never brought it back up. Very much giving the "one time thing" implication. and he has been used. PLENTY. because of his swirly--So he has no reason to think it was anything more than a sex filled night. Yeah, Gary could and should have also brought up questions as to why. But its also reasonable that he's still gunshy of emotional pain.

So.. Yuki has indeed been trying to model and refit her life around her perceptions of what Gary wants. but never once has she brought any of it up with him. Nor given him any inkling of her ~emotional~ feelings for him. Yuki is only looking at "The Gary in her head" and not actually at "Gary" (the same way that Zii only looked at "the Didi that was a prize" or how Didi only sees people as "can i finish" ) I feel so bad for Yuki (and hate Matt and am disappointed in Kylie to an extent) but she has a lot of fault in her own situation. Not all of it.. but Gary has nothing that he's been shown, "to give a shit about."
Also I am willing to bet he's got some issues with Matt in general. How all the girls who leave Gary seem to end up with Matt rather consistantly, and slowly lose interest in actually talking to him. Both Kylie and Yuki the two girls he's probably felt the most emotional connection to, both ended up going to Matt after him and both effectively rarely talk to him and he is the one who has to communicate with them.
So.. I really can't see that Gary has anything he should be caring about here, by his point of view (with so much lacking information), it just looks like Matt and Yuki are a thing, by their own choices. and he sure as heck didn't want to see any of that or join in on it. Not after being used by Trixie and.. guy's name i don't know. Who also were never "looking at gary" and instead were just "looking/using the Gary in their head"

(In general Peggy seems to be the only one who mostly looks at Gary, at least now. but originally she didn't really hence how they ended up with their current sexual landscape. Though he doesn't seem to mind it now) but as far as he knows she isn't interested in anything but casual. Though imo that has more to do with miscommunication for the moment.
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That really feels like the most absolute running theme in this comic is how often people don't properly look or know anyone and instead apply their own perceptions of that person onto that person. And then get pissed and upset when that person isn't what they are in their head.
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