The Nick wrote:Furthermore, the application of deadly force can be applied FAR BEFORE 'threat to yours or someone else's life.' There are a plethora of situations where the baddy may not, in fact, be a deadly threat to yourself or someone else, but you are within your rights to apply deadly force.
Simply put, when somebody attacks you, the only rational and reasonable assumption to make is this person/thing does not have your best interests at heart. Assuming they just want to scare you, or play a practical joke on you, or are just waving a weapon around to intimidate you is just giving up any advantage you have. These are the actions of a person who wants bad things to happen to you. Whether they want to bite you to have a sip, bite you to rip your throat out and kill you, or just bite you to leave you to bleed, you really can't wait to see the outcome and hope for the best. There's no RESET or RETRY button in real life.
Legally, that's not true. Ethically, there are situations where it could be argued that it's better to kill someone when they aren't an imminent threat to anyone, but you'd have to have some good justification. Even legally there are obviously exceptions on both sides of when lethal force is allowable or not, but I'd suggest being prepared to go to jail anytime you use force against another person.
I don't disagree with doing whatever is necessary to stop an attacker, but if a person states that their goal in any fight is to do as much damage as possible, that's the part I don't agree with. I immediately think of the numerous spots that you could kill a person quickly even without a weapon. If you take the definition of 'attack' to be a party using lethal force against another, then yes, lethal force in response is a good idea. Even then it doesn't give you the right to kill someone automatically. If a person pulls a knife and is 10 feet away, that doesn't mean you can pull a gun on that person and shoot the person 12 times immediately (there should be a step in there giving your assailant the chance to drop the knife and run away, or allowing them to commit to further violent action like moving toward you or preparing to throw the weapon).
I realize that laws don't equal morals and that being lawful or unlawful doesn't necessarily mean an action is good or bad, but since most laws are supposed to be based on ethics it would seem a good place to start. I think this site does a good job explaining what is typically legal concerning self-defense: http://www.criminalattorney.com/news/self-defense/
Going through the comic step-by-step, I would say that Faith would have been justified in staking Layla after the point she realized Layla was a monster, until Layla was no longer a threat. She wouldn't have been justified after releasing Layla because then she was the agressor, purposely attacking someone else for her own enjoyment. If Faith knew that Layla would kill humans in the future (if absolutely all vampires killed humans and none were vegetarians or exclusively dined on non-humans) then she should have killed the vampire at any point it was possible.
Oh, and as far as culling humans not being good for the species, I would point out that humans seem to be overpopulated right now. How much members of the species value those that are killed wouldn't matter from that point of view.
To give a few more examples of characters that people liked that are generally considered bad: Darth Vader (cool villain, again not the same as this comic), Strahd von Zarovich (not sure how many people like him, but he is the main character in some Ravenloft books, and he is shown doing some very bad things unlike EC characters), Raistlin Majere (one of the heroes of the Lance, became an evil god, again the evil things he does happen 'on screen')
Actually, Aquila is kind of right. The main characters in EC are portrayed as not doing anything too bad. In fact Layla is the only main character that is implied to attack people at all. In her case I get the impression that she has other people do most of her hunting for her, only going after exceptionally easy targets of opportunity like Faith seemed to be.
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