Magick Chicks 20-09-11 Delighted consent

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Artemisia wrote:Indeed...what was that...?

And delighted consent? Oh Faith...you really should tamp down your ego.
I'm thinking the comment has as much to do with her libido as it does ego. It was still a pretty damn arrogant statement to make, however.
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Artemisia wrote:So...I may be right that Faith is not, well, evil, and hasn't manipulated people into loving and adoring her and that the normal school actions of cliques have created her the way she is?
Faith may not be entirely evil, I'll give you that. And normal school social dynamics helped create her, I'll give you that too.

But I don't think that's all that created her........

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"What was that!?"

That- dear Faith- was a plot device.

You'll be seeing a lot of those.

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Hm, I think this update has shifted my opinion of Faith from "neutral" to "mildly positive" - it's established that she's not just a hedonist, but that she's able to react to an unexpected situation in a useful manner while maintaining a sense of style, and at indeterminate risk to herself. Level-headed, but not too serious, and willing to take risks where required. Granted, this should have been clear from the rival academy's raid, but that kind of struck me more as elaborate flirting than it did anything serious...

Not that I was really expecting her to be terribly one-dimensional, of course, but I was (and still am) curious to see more aspects of her character :) .
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Wake up Mel, you're missing the free shot. :p
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I am happy to give Mel a lost this way. I knew there was no current way for her to win, and at the same time, she gave faith some interesting things to ponder on, wonder about her powers and that of the other two.
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Random Wanderer wrote:I don't have the time right now to search the archives and see if Faith's really never groped anyone without their consent, but for the moment I'll take her word for it. ...Recognizing that her definition of "consent" seems to include "people I've telepathically manipulated into believing they love me."
Never groped.

And 'manipulated into believing they love me' is such a loaded statement. You could say a man is 'manipulating' a woman into being his wife by providing for her and giving her flowers. Some people are just more capable at it.
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Another point for team-"Faith isn't completely evil"! :D

Though personally I'm not sure if I actually want to cheer for that too much. I like Faith both ways.

Now, "capable in a crisis", "respect for the individual" and "caring for compatriots" though, these are aspects that'll score a character positive points with me regardless of whether she's light side or dark side. :)

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I think we did want to establish that Faith does have a code of conduct. She doesn't draw the lines between "good conduct" and "bad conduct" at the same places that you or I might. And she certainly doesn't think about the gray areas as much as she should. But she does have rules for herself, and for the most part, she sticks to them.

As an example, Faith sees rape as wrong, sick and evil. Notice that she never really strains to produce a sexual response in someone else, not even in Tiffany, not like she's straining in the latest installment. She views all her sexual behavior as seduction. She might be able to reach out and give someone's mind an arousing caress, but the decision to respond is ultimately theirs, in her view. She's pretty confident that her favorites will respond sooner or later, but that's because she's so hot and awesome, not because she's an insecure bully wrestling them into unwilling submission. "Just be honest about your desires, Melissa."

That's how Faith sees it. Tiff has a different view.

(And yes, I know that rapists do sometimes use shallow self-justifications like "She clearly wanted it, she was asking for it." In Faith's defense, no one she's actually slept with has come forth afterward claiming they were used or abused. But that isn't proof that Faith's use of her powers is proper.)

It's an intriguing question, really, and one of the reasons I love chatting with Dave and Giz about this series. What is control? How much is too much? I choose to dress in a certain way, knowing this will affect-- one might say manipulate or even control-- other people's perceptions of me. I'm pretty sure that's okay. But I've been in situations where the line seemed fuzzy. And I'm sure it gets a lot fuzzier when you're dealing with the emotional maturity of extroverted high school girls, coupled with psychic powers. The most important mind to control is your own.

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The Nick wrote:And 'manipulated into believing they love me' is such a loaded statement. You could say a man is 'manipulating' a woman into being his wife by providing for her and giving her flowers. Some people are just more capable at it.
What she did to Melissa a few comics back was manipulation. Trying to seduce someone while their inhibitions are effectively gone? That's a bad thing whether you're doing it by invading their dreams or by getting them drunk. It isn't mind control, but I still maintain that it's a bit beyond just being morally gray.
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That Guy wrote:"What was that!?"

That- dear Faith- was a plot device.

You'll be seeing a lot of those.
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So...is it weird that I like Faith's angry/determined face? Cause I do. Almost as much as I like her WTF face.

The real question is, did she just save Mel's life, or save herself from an up-coming ass kicking?
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