2018-11-16 Just used everything

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2018-11-16 Just used everything

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Re: 2018-11-16 Just used everything

Post by RConrad » Sat Nov 17, 2018 1:32 am

Love or hate her, Zoe used a tactic some parents have used when dealing with troublesome, adult children of theirs: Drop them out of the nest like a bird does with their chicks.

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Re: 2018-11-16 Just used everything

Post by vampire hunter D » Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:00 am

Why are they leaving Ingrid out? Doesnt she get to share the bath too
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Re: 2018-11-16 Just used everything

Post by Eisu » Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:09 am

Somebody has to pour the wine ^o^

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Re: 2018-11-16 Just used everything

Post by dmra » Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:08 am

Still not entirely sure that Zoe's plan needed chloroform, stealing Sandra's phone and sending her back to Canada to work.

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Re: 2018-11-16 Just used everything

Post by Zorlond » Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:40 am

As I expected, Zoe's going to take all the credit for Sandra's success.

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Re: 2018-11-16 Just used everything

Post by BioYuGi » Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:26 am

That really upsets me. "You used everything I know. Most of which was basic business acumen and stuff you could have easily learned as you go."

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Re: 2018-11-16 Just used everything

Post by Cortez » Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:37 am

Called it, it was all of Zoe's plan.
dmra wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:08 am
Still not entirely sure that Zoe's plan needed chloroform, stealing Sandra's phone and sending her back to Canada to work.
I do hope Sandra points that out.

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Re: 2018-11-16 Just used everything

Post by RConrad » Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:55 am

dmra wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:08 am
Still not entirely sure that Zoe's plan needed chloroform, stealing Sandra's phone and sending her back to Canada to work.
It did however needed a quick method of stopping the argument from escalating to full-blown violence. A more timeless and comedic solution would have been tranquilizing Zoe, but Zoe probably never would have gone with that. Although whose to say Plan 37-B isn't Domenico's contingency when Zoe is about to go ballistic?

In the end, Dave decided to go with an approach that would leave Sandra back where she started.

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Re: 2018-11-16 Just used everything

Post by JoybuzzerX » Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:02 am

BioYuGi wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:26 am
That really upsets me. "You used everything I know. Most of which was basic business acumen and stuff you could have easily learned as you go."
The question is, would Sandra have learned it?

Really. This is how we knew it'd go on this part. It's the method of getting rid of her that needs to be talked about.

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Re: 2018-11-16 Just used everything

Post by dmra » Sat Nov 17, 2018 9:12 am

RConrad wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:55 am
dmra wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:08 am
Still not entirely sure that Zoe's plan needed chloroform, stealing Sandra's phone and sending her back to Canada to work.
It did however needed a quick method of stopping the argument from escalating to full-blown violence. A more timeless and comedic solution would have been tranquilizing Zoe, but Zoe probably never would have gone with that. Although whose to say Plan 37-B isn't Domenico's contingency when Zoe is about to go ballistic?

In the end, Dave decided to go with an approach that would leave Sandra back where she started.
But all that was needed to happen was for Zoe to say to Sandra "You think you don't need us? Then why don't you try going back to where you came from and see how that turns out!" Proud Sandra agrees and the comic basically kicks off from there.

And that scenario still allows for Cammi to get aggrieved and Marie to feel abandoned without the need for Zoe & co to act like cut price super-villains and Sandra to be so incompetent that she can't get in touch with anybody for almost a year because she hasn't got her phone.

It also means that Sandra won't look like she's completely lacking a spine if she fails to complain about what was done to her.

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Re: 2018-11-16 Just used everything

Post by Spidrift » Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:22 pm

The super-excessive sacking nonsense was mere comedy excess. As I keep saying, these comics have never quite shaken off the influence of 1950s American lightweight comics, where instant-sleep chloroform is a commonplace thing and cellphones and the Internet aren't, and mid-level underwear models have private planes, and physical assaults never cause long-term damage -- and nobody ever comments on any of this, because it's genre convention. So I very much doubt that there'll be any logical follow-through on that stuff now.

(One funny thing is that any time Peggy comes on the scene, physical assaults and injuries suddenly become a much more realistic concern. I do very much wonder if she's based on a real nurse who someone knows, and who complains about that bit of comics non-realism.)

This use of dated conventions is just a little bit obscured by the use of a second set of dated conventions, from 1960s/70s sex comedies, wherein STDs and pregnancy are never a concern and lack of consent is a source of humour.
BioYuGi wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 5:26 am
That really upsets me. "You used everything I know. Most of which was basic business acumen and stuff you could have easily learned as you go."
I think that we're meant to assume that Sandra also learned a lot of professional modelling ... stuff. However, the comic has never actually addressed the deep technicalities of modelling as a job (and frankly, I doubt that Dave01 knows or cares much about the subject), so we've not seen Sandra learn it.
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Why are they leaving Ingrid out? Doesnt she get to share the bath too
The conditions for Zoé accepting her as a protégé were clearly very much that she show the ability to repress her ego and do as she's told. So it's kind of in keeping that she ends up being treated as an underling.
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Re: 2018-11-16 Just used everything

Post by dmra » Sat Nov 17, 2018 2:30 pm

Spidrift wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:22 pm
The super-excessive sacking nonsense was mere comedy excess. As I keep saying, these comics have never quite shaken off the influence of 1950s American lightweight comics, where instant-sleep chloroform is a commonplace thing and cellphones and the Internet aren't, and mid-level underwear models have private planes, and physical assaults never cause long-term damage -- and nobody ever comments on any of this, because it's genre convention. So I very much doubt that there'll be any logical follow-through on that stuff now.
Now there's an odd thing. I've been reading comics - British and American - since the 1960s including "lightweight" ones and I can't recall chloroform ever making regular appearances in labour disputes or any other situation for that matter. Love potions perhaps but anaesthetics no.Equally I'd find it easier to take the lack of internet/mobile phones etc after Sandra "disappeared" from her Parisian life if they hadn't played such an important part of the comic at the start of her career. Like her getting internet fame because of exploding with outrage at a game convention and then having Alex and Marie help her set up a webpage. Oh and the fact that Tatiana had almost as deep a relationship with her laptop as she wanted with Domenico.

I get that the comic isn't exactly meant to be a documentary about the fashion industry and it's lack of realism doesn't normally bother me but when somebody getting fired turns into somebody being drugged, kidnapped and flown halfway round the world without their belongings and they just forget it ever happened or aren't in the least bit bothered about it then it crosses my willing suspension of disbelief threshold.

It was a bit similar when MA3 went all James Bond when Peggy's old friend came to town. In a spy thriller genre I could forgive the lack of any police follow up or real impact on the characters involved but struggle to find it believable in a conventional sex comedy.

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Re: 2018-11-16 Just used everything

Post by rogermart » Sat Nov 17, 2018 3:58 pm

Spidrift wrote:
Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:22 pm
The super-excessive sacking nonsense was mere comedy excess. As I keep saying, these comics have never quite shaken off the influence of 1950s American lightweight comics, where instant-sleep chloroform is a commonplace thing and cellphones and the Internet aren't, and mid-level underwear models have private planes, and physical assaults never cause long-term damage -- and nobody ever comments on any of this, because it's genre convention. So I very much doubt that there'll be any logical follow-through on that stuff now.
Exactly, I always say that the chloroform bit is just that, an old bit. Not realistic, not attached to 2018 standards, just a plain old bit for comedy sake.
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Re: 2018-11-16 Just used everything

Post by KittyHat » Sat Nov 17, 2018 4:00 pm

And now course the comic appears set to completely gloss over the fact that Zoé herself screwed things up massively by running around in a "Hulk smash" rage all of the time, never stopping to listen, and never paying the slightest attention to what was playing out right in front of her. Let's just completely ignore that fact, and suddenly Zoé was right about everything all along because Reasons?

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she's just yet to be called out. But I have my doubts.

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