2015-11-10 Eating steamed buns all night

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Re: 2015-11-10 Eating steamed buns all night

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Zayzie wrote:I am honestly so confused in regards to the sexuality/personality difference between Drunk Sandra vs Sober Sandra that I really don't even know how to address the issue of consent. I feel like, as long as everyone is sexually and romantically comfortable and consent to sex/foreplay with each other before getting drunk, then I'm okay with it. Or I'm okay with it as long as whoever is drunk is okay with everything happened to them while drunk.

But there's such a communication breakdown between Sandra, Lavali, and Aina that reading this comic just makes me really crave some tamales or steamed buns right now.
Sober Sandra : "Hello, I'm Sandra. I like... recently games. I'm straight, like a little bit of romantism on the side, like picnics, quotes from romantic books or something. I like to think I'm pretty cool and don't hurt anyone and I tried to do it with a girl once, but it totally didn't work out because we were two straight women with poor boundary issues.

Drunk Sandra : HULK FU#*(&@#S!
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KittyHat wrote:
christopheftw wrote:Legal hint: Sandra wasn't being subjected to any action requiring her to give consent. Sandra was the actor.

Regardless of what the legal ramifications may or may not be (I brought that up only to underline the seriousness of the situation, not to specifically say whether Aina actually broke the law), Aina had complete control in that situation. She knew Sandra was not acting consciously, and she had every ability to disengage herself and deliberately chose not to.

Whatever the legal circumstances, her actions were morally wrong, and let me be perfectly clear: I would condemn a man in exactly the same way for exactly the same behavior, so don't start trying to play the "militant feminist" card, because this has got nothing to do with that.

Edit: Incidentally, how does "militant feminist" get played when the person I'm condemning is a woman anyway? Because her victim was a woman? I mean, even if it were a woman pulling this stunt on a man, I'd still object ...

LadyObvious23 wrote:Except no. She was sober and this is disgusting. That woman should have stopped her or let her sleep on the damn couch.
For once, we're completely on the same page.

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 "The Little Coochie Snorcher That Could", in which an adult woman recalls being sgiven alcohol and statutorily raped at 13 by a 24-year-old woman as a positive, healing experience, ending the segment with the proclamation "It was a good rape."  - wikipedia - the vagina monologues.

In Canadian law, would it be considered rape?

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Zayzie wrote:I am honestly so confused in regards to the sexuality/personality difference between Drunk Sandra vs Sober Sandra that I really don't even know how to address the issue of consent. I feel like, as long as everyone is sexually and romantically comfortable and consent to sex/foreplay with each other before getting drunk, then I'm okay with it. Or I'm okay with it as long as whoever is drunk is okay with everything happened to them while drunk.

But there's such a communication breakdown between Sandra, Lavali, and Aina that reading this comic just makes me really crave some tamales or steamed buns right now.
I'm still not entirely convinced she's only bisexual when drunk. I mean, Cammi did a good job of seducing her while sober.

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Aaina must have needed something BAD if that counts as worth it

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When Sandra tried to seduce DiDi, she drank an entire bottle of Vodka just to get revved up. Then she did it to have that session of strapon sex with Mark. The "she was abused while defenseless" angle doesn't really work here, since only a mindreader could tell where exactly the "too drunk" line is with her. Aaina still thinks she's a lesbian since Lavali never bothered correcting her, so as far as she's concerned no one was fooled into doing anything.

I mean, the name of the comic is Sandra On The Rocks. You should expect the topic of drunk sex to pop up now and then.

That said, I don't envy Aaina too much right now. I've had an eager girl doing that to me for a few minutes, and I was covered in bruises the following day. She must have superhuman endurance to endure that all night long.
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Cresset wrote:The "she was abused while defenseless" angle doesn't really work here, since only a mindreader could tell where exactly the "too drunk" line is with her.
This claim holds less water than a sieve given the punchline of the comic just before this one was Sandra passing completely the f*** out on Aina. Aina knew very well Sandra blacked out. Again, it was literally a punchline!

So no, not buying it. Aina is, frankly, a pretty terrible person.

"Hmm, 90% of the characters are either gay, lesbian or bissexual. Looks innofensive...but I better keep an eye on it, I'm sure I can find something if I dig deep enough".

Trying to insinuate something? I've been a fan for a while now and have literally read every single installment of Ma3, SDB and SotR. It may come as a shock, but it wasn't all in a search for something offensive enough to complain about on the interwebs. It turns out it's actually possible for someone to have a different opinion of a situation than you without there being a sneaky ulterior motive.

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Abraxas wrote:Aaina must have needed something BAD if that counts as worth it
Maybe Sandra did it in such a way that she found it enjoyable.

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KittyHat wrote:It turns out it's actually possible for someone to have a different opinion of a situation than you without there being a sneaky ulterior motive.
It's hard to see those "what's with all the rape around here" posts and not think it's someone trying to create a stink for entertainment, specially when no rape or abuse has been suggested to happen (unless one considers nipples going into a mouth as a form of penetration...which is just too much for me. Even if I could take that seriously, Aaina simply let it happen so it wasn't forceful anyway)

Not that I claim Aaina is the best person around and is being unfairly judged as less than perfect, but a comedy where everyone is reasonable and acts in the proper and correct manner would be really boring.

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What? This is turning into Consent Fail, the Comic.

Well, Aaina didn't do anything criminal, or even really bad. As far as she knows, she had sleepy makeouts with another woman. It's just that so much of the humor this arc seems to hinge on Sandra seeming less than fully aware of what's going on.
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Mordhaus wrote:Can't find the funny in this one. Even if you lay still and let a drunk person do stuff to you in their sleep, it's still kind of taking advantage. I mean, how well would this be received if it was a guy laying there with his penis out and near a drunk, unconscious girl's mouth while she suckles it in her sleep like a thumb? :-Q
Hmm, I hadn't even thought of this when I first read the comic, but you make a good point.

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An unpopular opinion, apparently ... but then, honorable behavior is not very trendy.

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philippos42 wrote:What? This is turning into Consent Fail, the Comic.

Well, Aaina didn't do anything criminal, or even really bad. As far as she knows, she had sleepy makeouts with another woman. It's just that so much of the humor this arc seems to hinge on Sandra seeming less than fully aware of what's going on.
It wasn't make outs. She just got bit in the boobs.

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The sleepover of contention has the potential to be as ugly as some claim it to be, but it isn't because if Sandra woke up with Aaina's breast in her mouth she's be upset with herself just like she was when she woke up in Alex's bed. The only difference is he was too terrified to take advantage.

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I read most of the stuff that is either a spin off from Me3 or EC, and 99% of the time I have no issue with it. For example, in SotR #259, it was hinted that Lukas was possibly going to 'silence' Armani with his penis, apparently with some reserve on Armani's part. However, 2 strips later it seems that it was apparently consensual and both parties were fully in control of their faculties. In Me3, there was a couple of times where Gary was really shoved into situations, like the all day porn star SGR fest, but he was still conscious and could say stop/no.

I don't cry rape without some type of context, but when you have a person who is completely drunk and passed out, there is absolutely nothing funny about sexual things involving them. When Sandra passed out, Aaina should have laid her down, covered her up, gave her a pillow, and maybe a glass of water or bucket nearby. Doing or allowing anything else to happen is morally reprehensible and makes me dislike her as a character. Sorry if you disagree, but that is the way I feel. Hopefully we don't continue on this path with Sandra being taken advantage of when she can't choose.
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