2015-04-17 No woman is that gay

[Eisu]

The "Siri" part is just Lukas' way of disguising talking to Eva as if he's using the SIri app on the iphone, not that he's talking to someone named "Siri"

[Sara Hysaro]

Would a lesbian bar really disapprove of a guy being there? As long as he wasn't flirting with the women or staring at the couples I don't see the problem.

Some would. It's sometimes more along the lines of "no guy allowed here" than really "lesbian bar". Tolerance towards the other sex is not symetric between lesbians and gays.

Despite being lumped into the same umbrella group, lesbians and gays don't really get along very well...both don't like bisexuals too much...and trans people are often seen as pariahs...

Ah, I see. That's pretty unfortunate and I hope things improve, but if that's how the current situation is then it makes sense for Sandra to ask that question. It just seemed a bit odd to me.

[Cortez]

get the feeling that Eva will try to conquer Lavali, thus maybe get an insider in the agency of her "enemy", she might even come with a wig to disguise herself as "Siri"

You misunderstood, "Siri" is a phone app. Hence why he was asking "Siri" for a location for a lesbian bar.

[wiseguy]

yes, but I might end up somewhat correct, as I think both Lavali and Sandra know Eva, so she might get to disguise herself as "Jane Doe", or get a friend to conquer Lavali

[Eisu]

Maybe disguise herself as someone else but definitely not as "Siri"

But then again, there's no point in disguising herself cos Sandra was totally fitshaced when she met Eva so i don't think Sandra remembers Eva... ooh, I better tell Dave!

[JoybuzzerX]

My first thought was...Sandra questions on the patrons objecting to him being there, but have no problem with thinking they're welcome there at the gay club (before Lukas had asked them to sit with him).

[wm247]

I dunno, Eisu. I thought it was such a huge scene when Zoe threw Eva to that swimming pool before? To be fair, the girls were mostly wasted back then, and only Marie who openly disliked Eva when they first met.

http://www.sandraontherocks.com/strips- ... y_a_fossil

[Eisu]

Oh no, see, I said Sandra doesn't remember her, she was wasted the whole way even after the skinny dipping as proven on the ride home in the limo and have been shown multiple times that when totally wasted, Sandra does not remember the events of the night before. Lavali might remember her but to Lavali she's probably just this girl Sandra groped and was thrown into the pool by Zoe.

[Spidrift]

As I recall, though, Sandra sometimes remembers things that happened when she was drunk - when she gets that drunk again. (Almost realistic, that.) See the night of the play back in Montreal.

[Badman!]

Despite being lumped into the same umbrella group, lesbians and gays don't really get along very well...both don't like bisexuals too much...and trans people are often seen as pariahs...

Bummer...

[Don Alexander]

The "Siri" part is just Lukas' way of disguising talking to Eva as if he's using the SIri app on the iphone, not that he's talking to someone named "Siri"

Piffel! We all know Siri is a hot redhead!

[Artemisia]

Despite being lumped into the same umbrella group, lesbians and gays don't really get along very well...both don't like bisexuals too much...and trans people are often seen as pariahs...

Ah, I see. That's pretty unfortunate and I hope things improve, but if that's how the current situation is then it makes sense for Sandra to ask that question. It just seemed a bit odd to me.

At the heart of the problem is the whole issue of what makes someone male or female. There are still a lot of people, including those in the LGB part of the Community, who equate gender with genitalia or genetics. It's getting better and the younger crowd isn't as bad, but still, it is a problem.

Despite being lumped into the same umbrella group, lesbians and gays don't really get along very well...both don't like bisexuals too much...and trans people are often seen as pariahs...

Bummer...

Especially if you are a lesbian trans woman who has a HUGE problem with phallophobia (thus making it hard to date pre/non-op trans women).

My first thought was...Sandra questions on the patrons objecting to him being there, but have no problem with thinking they're welcome there at the gay club (before Lukas had asked them to sit with him).

In some cases, gay men may not be adverse to women being at a gay bar if the women are straight and there with a gay friend. I never said any of this made a lick of sense.

[Maechris]

People by nature initially lean towards being the slightest bit xenophobic. Some people can through open-mindedness and exposure grow out of it and others cannot because of close-mindedness or circumstances. My father started out as homophobic and transphobic; he's marginally more open-minded about the latter after I managed to explain some things to him, but I doubt that would happen if it wasn't for the way my education turned up (I'm not in gender studies). My brother after being raised by my parents has the same views as the dad had originally but has shown zero progress.


So it doesn't really come as a surprise that sometimes one group will be wary of the other because of their orientation or gender. There's wary gay, lesbian, and straight people, there's lesbian and gay people who get along immensely great as friends with the gender/sex they're not attracted to and there's straight-up misogyny and misandry in both groups. It's the question of luck, events, exposure, and innate open-mindedness.

[Sara Hysaro]

Indeed, I'm well aware that trans people have it rough. I made sure I told my little sister about them, however, so hopefully others will do the same with their own young relatives and things will get better with each new generation. This is one of those things where early exposure is important for exactly the same reason Maechris stated.

[brasca]

I dunno, Eisu. I thought it was such a huge scene when Zoe threw Eva to that swimming pool before? To be fair, the girls were mostly wasted back then, and only Marie who openly disliked Eva when they first met.

http://www.sandraontherocks.com/strips- ... y_a_fossil

Which could complicate any long term vendetta against Sandra. Sandra was too drunk to remember and Lavali did not appear to be nearby when that all went down, but Marie and presumably Cammi would remember Eva so seducing Lavali seems like it is doomed to failure since sooner or later someone who would recognize her from that night would cross paths. Moreover, it is not clearly stated that Eva is gay or bisexual so seduction might not be what she has in store.