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Re: 18-12-15 Out of whack

Post by brasca » Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:34 pm

Fluffy wrote:Though they're yelling, I think it's incredibly sweet that Angel is very protective of Ramona and doesn't like how Zii and Dillon are looking at her as if she was some kind of alien specimen to gawk at.
It is, but Angel also sounds like a lot of people who have a knee jerk reaction to any perceived gender or sexual phobia and it is exceptionally tiresome. Angie, however, seemed more patient about explaining her gender fluidity to Ruby. Of course she didn't just get up from a brawl and she was at work so she probably had to keep her temper in check.

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Re: 18-12-15 Out of whack

Post by Artemisia » Fri Dec 18, 2015 2:39 pm

Ang is just as much an insensitive jerk here as Zii and Dillon (though some of that IS Ramona's fault for using the specific term hermaphrodite). There is nothing wrong with Ramona seeing her body as 'out of whack' or 'abnormal', and constantly being forced to fit into an identity that isn't part of who she is can actually be painful for her.
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Re: 18-12-15 Out of whack

Post by Varanus » Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:08 pm

Artemisia wrote:There is nothing wrong with Ramona seeing her body as 'out of whack' or 'abnormal',
Indeed, I think some people push the "everyone is normal" philosophy too far as it ignores that there are many conditions that make a person technically "abnormal" and that those people do have to find ways of dealing with it rather than demanding everyone around them treat them the same as everyone else (as that isn't likely to happen). The key is to not judge the abnormality as something that makes the person less of a person.

I for one have to take medicine to help control my emotions and OCD impulses as my mind doesn't regulate the various chemicals as well as in the average person. I'll freely admit that makes me "strange" in a sense, and its a troublesome thing but not something that makes me see myself as less than someone without that problem.

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Re: 18-12-15 Out of whack

Post by Artemisia » Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:13 pm

Varanus wrote: The key is to not judge the abnormality as something that makes the person less of a person.
I definitely agree there. I understand where Ramona is coming from very well, and I finally had to cut myself off from people who kept pushing me the way Ang pushes her due to how their constant attempts to make me fit into their view of things made me feel.
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Re: 18-12-15 Out of whack

Post by Don Alexander » Fri Dec 18, 2015 3:45 pm

If this goes on, I'm going to have to ban Angel... /:)
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Re: 18-12-15 Out of whack

Post by Varanus » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:10 pm

Artemisia wrote:I definitely agree there. I understand where Ramona is coming from very well, and I finally had to cut myself off from people who kept pushing me the way Ang pushes her due to how their constant attempts to make me fit into their view of things made me feel.
It is ironic that efforts to force inclusiveness can have the opposite effect. Weird can be wonderful, and its great when it can be seen as making someone more interesting rather than acting like their weirdness doesn't exist.

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Re: 18-12-15 Out of whack

Post by Falisa » Fri Dec 18, 2015 4:21 pm

I actually came to post because I have androgyn insensitivity syndrome. I'm part really excited to see it mentioned in one of my favorite comics and part blah about her referring to herself as a hermaphrodite. I would never use that term to define myself. (but I would never correct someone if they came up to me and referred to me as a chick like they did :P)

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Re: 18-12-15 Out of whack

Post by Frostbite » Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:22 pm

You know, I keep forgetting the others don't really know about Senna
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Re: 18-12-15 Out of whack

Post by Spidrift » Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:25 pm

Captain Vlad wrote:Or don't. Wanna see what Ruby's thinking here...
Umm, maybe she's thinking that Angel should try anger management training/therapy?

That Ruby. Always so annoyingly reasonable.

And I'm going to assume that Ramona is Angel's sister, because otherwise this overbearing attitude takes Angel off the the top of the asshole scale completely. If it's just about looking after a sister, Angel is merely overdoing things; otherwise, it's a controlling psycho behaviour. Suggesting quietly that Ramona use accurate terminology and not run herself down would be one thing, but yelling like that is just bullying.

Plus, Ruby might be interestingly bemused to discover such a completely different model of sisterly relationships.

And I'm then going to take a wild guess that their parents, if not actually nasty, were a bit conventional-whitebread and not really up to dealing with a couple of medically and psychologically non-standard offspring. So they brought Ramona up to use off-target terms like "hermaphrodite", until big sibling Angel swooped in to "rescue" her. In fact, I now wonder if Ruby is going to rescue Ramona from Angel, and tell her that's there's nothing wrong with being an out-of-her-depth kid sister in the big city.
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Re: 18-12-15 Out of whack

Post by Morwen » Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:51 pm

Ramona is cool... and quite possibly the MaVerse character that is the least "out of whack" :D
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Re: 18-12-15 Out of whack

Post by JoybuzzerX » Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:19 pm

Artemisia wrote:Ang is just as much an insensitive jerk here as Zii and Dillon (though some of that IS Ramona's fault for using the specific term hermaphrodite). There is nothing wrong with Ramona seeing her body as 'out of whack' or 'abnormal', and constantly being forced to fit into an identity that isn't part of who she is can actually be painful for her.
None of it is Romana's fault. She can describe herself however she wants to describe herself. It's Angel who's out of line, as she's yelling at Romana for being who she is, which is only offensive to Angel.

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Re: 18-12-15 Out of whack

Post by Razmos » Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:34 pm

I really love Ramona's design. the hair in particular.

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Re: 18-12-15 Out of whack

Post by Morwen » Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:38 pm

JoybuzzerX wrote:None of it is Romana's fault. She can describe herself however she wants to describe herself. It's Angel who's out of line, as she's yelling at Romana for being who she is, which is only offensive to Angel.
And as the saying goes... Offense is never given, only taken.
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Re: 18-12-15 Out of whack

Post by Don Alexander » Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:32 pm

In that case, certain people are GIMME GIMME NOW NOW!!! :P

And someone mentioned She Who Shall Not Be Mentioned Lest The Thread Be Derailed!! :-T X_X %-(
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Re: 18-12-15 Out of whack

Post by JerrBear » Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:55 pm

Varanus wrote:
Artemisia wrote:There is nothing wrong with Ramona seeing her body as 'out of whack' or 'abnormal',
Indeed, I think some people push the "everyone is normal" philosophy too far as it ignores that there are many conditions that make a person technically "abnormal" and that those people do have to find ways of dealing with it rather than demanding everyone around them treat them the same as everyone else (as that isn't likely to happen). The key is to not judge the abnormality as something that makes the person less of a person.

I for one have to take medicine to help control my emotions and OCD impulses as my mind doesn't regulate the various chemicals as well as in the average person. I'll freely admit that makes me "strange" in a sense, and its a troublesome thing but not something that makes me see myself as less than someone without that problem.
Besides, it's up to individuals to decide whether they view themselves as either normal or abnormal.

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