10-11-15 Just what I like to hear

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Re: 10-11-15 Just what I like to hear

Post by Tako » Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:51 pm

Spidrift wrote:1. Zii appears to work on the classic principle that if you don't ask, you don't get, and if you ask every time, you get quite a lot. By rights, realistically, she should get slapped down for it quite a lot, but it's not like a small, skinny girl is threatening.

2. What on Earth are you talking about? Those were posed photographs, with costumes and all, and Ruby talked specifically about using them for a calendar while taking them. It was 100% clear that all the participants knew perfectly well what she'd talked them into. Being Ruby, I wouldn't be surprised if she has signed releases from them all.
1.Yeah, but she can ruin potential friendships and business/job opportunities by asking for sex. She can make many people uncomfortable when she recklessly asks for sex. She could freak Ruby out (she knows Ruby has been quite prudish until now), and in the past she has lost her boyfriend and manager because she couldn't control her libido, and in another occasion she had her band break because she mixed pleasure and business.

2.-Have we seen any of those people sign a contract giving their consent to the publication of those pictures? And I'm not sure they knew or expected her to publish the calendar, I think it looked as if she wanted it for her own private pleasure. And she mostly emotionally blackmailed them into posing, they may have regrets by now and want her to erase or destroy the pictures.

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Re: 10-11-15 Just what I like to hear

Post by Spidrift » Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:24 pm

Tako wrote:1.Yeah, but she can ruin potential friendships and business/job opportunities by asking for sex. She can make many people uncomfortable when she recklessly asks for sex. She could freak Ruby out (she knows Ruby has been quite prudish until now), and in the past she has lost her boyfriend and manager because she couldn't control her libido, and in another occasion she had her band break because she mixed pleasure and business.
And as you say, sometimes her actions have consequences, but often they don't, so she hasn't been broken of her worst habits yet. This is (a) a lightweight sex comedy, so we're not going to see the worst consequences of sexual incontinence, and (b) an amiably sex-positive sort of comic, so we're not going to see a major character being systematically hosed for being sex-positive.

Zii is depicted as being fairly likeable and charming despite everything, but also as not being totally immune to the consequences of her actions. She also acts as a vehicle for a lot of the comic's jokes about sexual enthusiasm, which means that she has to be sexually enthusiastic. If you expect her to suffer really badly for that, you're reading the wrong comic.

(Her first band didn't break up because of her sexual habits, by the way; it broke up because of Yuki's psychotic outbreaks. The work relationship with Angel broke up because Zii banged Jerzy, but Zii rightly puts that down down to Angel being a jackass, rather than to her banging an allegedly unattached guy.)
2.-Have we seen any of those people sign a contract giving their consent to the publication of those pictures?
No, and nor did we did see her talking them into posing, or printing off the test images, or inviting Zii to this meeting. Routine stuff is boring and not funny.

(We know that Ruby regards consent as important, though. She discussed the whole subject with Zii during their first meeting.)
And I'm not sure they knew or expected her to publish the calendar, I think it looked as if she wanted it for her own private pleasure.
She repeatedly made it clear that she was assembling a calendar. Someone might well take pictures for their private viewing, but organising them into a calendar like this would be a tiny bit overly anal-retentive if one was only going to print off the one copy. Admittedly, Ruby is a tiny bit anal retentive, but really - if any of these guys didn't understand from the first that this was about more than Ruby's private porn collection, they would be very clueless indeed.

And in fact, Ruby has since discussed selling the calendar with Andy, who seemed neither shocked nor surprised. And he's probably the most clueless guy involved.
And she mostly emotionally blackmailed them into posing, they may have regrets by now and want her to erase or destroy the pictures.
They might, in principle, and sure, some of them were rather bounced into this whole business. But all of them are basically quite open-minded people who seem to like Ruby. Withdrawing freely given consent now would be a bit annoying of them, though I'm sure that Ruby would go along rather than lose any of her new friends.

Like she said to Zii, this is all on a par with the sort of "hunky under-dressed firefighters" calendars that get sold by the truckload these days. The guys involved are likely to regard it as a bit of a joke and probably rather flattering.
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