25-08-15 Convince him I could pass as gay

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Re: 25-08-15 Convince him I could pass as gay

Post by wiseguy » Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:08 pm

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someboddy wrote:So... Ray will have gay sex but only with straight men?

Oh, well. This is far from being the weirdest sexual orientation in the ma3verse...
I wonder where that falls on the Kinsey scale.
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Re: 25-08-15 Convince him I could pass as gay

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Re: 25-08-15 Convince him I could pass as gay

Post by Schmorgluck » Wed Aug 26, 2015 5:35 am

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Re: 25-08-15 Convince him I could pass as gay

Post by sukebe senpai » Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:41 am

I half expected Dillon to facepalm - or to pull an implied facepalm...
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Re: 25-08-15 Convince him I could pass as gay

Post by Don Alexander » Wed Aug 26, 2015 1:40 pm

Treader wrote:
someboddy wrote:So... Ray will have gay sex but only with straight men?

Oh, well. This is far from being the weirdest sexual orientation in the ma3verse...
I wonder where that falls on the Kinsey scale.
I think you have to extend it into the imaginary plane for that. :P

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Re: 25-08-15 Convince him I could pass as gay

Post by Treader » Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:11 pm

Don Alexander wrote:
Treader wrote:
someboddy wrote:So... Ray will have gay sex but only with straight men?

Oh, well. This is far from being the weirdest sexual orientation in the ma3verse...
I wonder where that falls on the Kinsey scale.
I think you have to extend it into the imaginary plane for that. :P

"I'm a 2 + 3i on the Extended Kinsey scale."
Ah - I always did stink at imaginery numbers. Didn't know my eleventeen from a fourty-twelve.

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Re: 25-08-15 Convince him I could pass as gay

Post by BlairFan » Wed Aug 26, 2015 2:19 pm

Apparently, Dillon is just too beautiful for anyone to resist, even Ray. :-?

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Re: 25-08-15 Convince him I could pass as gay

Post by wiseguy » Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:03 pm

Treader wrote:
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"I'm a 2 + 3i on the Extended Kinsey scale."
Ah - I always did stink at imaginery numbers. Didn't know my eleventeen from a fourty-twelve.
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Re: 25-08-15 Convince him I could pass as gay

Post by koboldnation » Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:59 am

One thing thats been bothering me, and i don't know if anyone has mentioned it. But doesnt Dillon have first refusal rights to 3 of nathans films? So unless enough time has passed between me3 and Sdb shouldnt Dillon atleast have 1 or 2 refusals left?

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Re: 25-08-15 Convince him I could pass as gay

Post by wiseguy » Thu Aug 27, 2015 2:09 am

Dillon might be the "star" of the film by being the villain

like Joker in Batman(Both Jack N. and Heath L.)
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Re: 25-08-15 Convince him I could pass as gay

Post by Spidrift » Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:43 am

koboldnation wrote:One thing thats been bothering me, and i don't know if anyone has mentioned it. But doesnt Dillon have first refusal rights to 3 of nathans films?
Ah, someone else who treats these boards as a write-only medium... If you don't know, you can always check.
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Re: 25-08-15 Convince him I could pass as gay

Post by wi1dfire » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:08 am

someboddy wrote:So... Ray will have gay sex but only with straight men?

Oh, well. This is far from being the weirdest sexual orientation in the ma3verse...
This isn't as unusual as you might think. Ray is an idiot, so I'm not holding him up as an example of anything, but for real life people that do this, its driven by the breakdown of -sexual and -romantic. People can be interested, and enjoy, gay sex without wanting to be in a romantic relationship. So having sex with other straight guys is okay, because at the end all it is about is sex. Having sex with a gay guy runs the risk of attachment and people developing feelings, which ruins the fun of it all.

It's all tripe, but unfortunately it's something I've run into once or twice in real life, and a lot more often in literature.

Also, I'm curious, but you all know it is possible to have sex with someone you aren't attracted to, right? That's not a secret? I get it would be funnier if Ray turned out to be bisexual, and it would be consistent with the rest of the comic, but he can have sex once or twice without it defining his sexuality. Y'all are treating it like "He'll never be clean now, the gay has taken him," and that's just a weird stance to take.

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Re: 25-08-15 Convince him I could pass as gay

Post by Spidrift » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:40 am

If Ray is (perhaps subconsciously) trying to separate the sexual from the romantic, that would certainly explain his last comment to Dillon. He could imagine having fun with his old friend, and hey, turns out that fun can include genitalia, but as Dillon is gay, that would bring feelings into the equation, which would get messy. Which, oddly enough, could make him look slightly less stupid; it'd give him a logical justification for what he says, however weak the logic, rather than it being pure doublethink gibberish.

One wonders how he categorises his relationship with Amber, and whether she's in for a painful disappointment. She's calling him her first actual boyfriend, and investing some emotions in this; does he just see her as a (very hot) friend with benefits?

As to Ray's bisexuality - I think that we're all taking that as read, because it's what Dillon diagnosed a while ago, his logic is perfectly valid, and it's consistent with everything else (such as Ray being untraumatised by what just happened with Nathan). So it's not just having sex with Nathan once that defines him as bisexual. Which is just as well, because someone being seduced against their basic inclinations gets seriously squicky, whereas with Ray being bisexual, this scene can still be funny.
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Re: 25-08-15 Convince him I could pass as gay

Post by wi1dfire » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:13 am

Spidrift wrote:Which is just as well, because someone being seduced against their basic inclinations gets seriously squicky, whereas with Ray being bisexual, this scene can still be funny.
Not really. Does anyone believe that Ray would, of his own volition, choose to have sex with Nathan without there being something in it for him? No (edit: besides Dillon)? Well alright then. I see no functional difference between "I'm having sex with someone I'm not attracted to" and "I'm having sex with someone whose genital I'm not attracted to."

Unless you think being sexually harassed by someone with the correct genitals somehow makes it all okay? Or even less of a bad thing? Is THAT where your logic leads?

Okay, okay, I know. The difference is "gay panic." Still, it's not exactly a great situation either way. If he truly is bisexual, I wouldn't wish for him to associate this with discovering it. That way lies madness. I'd walk you through it, but just trust me.

On a different note, I'm curious what his feelings towards Amber are as well. It might not be the end of the world for her to normalize herself with a good-friend-with-benefits that is in no way connected to the porn industry, who apparently sees sex and relationships differently than most, but I'm hoping Ray turns out to be more for her sake.

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Re: 25-08-15 Convince him I could pass as gay

Post by Spidrift » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:33 am

I don't know what Ray would do if this wasn't a casting couch situation, to be honest, and I'm not sure that Ray does either. But it seems to me that the difference is between "Doing something that I don't really mind with someone who I might not like very much if I knew him better" (comedy) and "Doing something that contradicts my core emotional self-image" (traumatic). If the problems with his core emotional self-image would be "gay panic", well, fine - just so long as Zii's problem with Yvan can be classified as "fat panic" or "age panic".

And yes, Ray discovering his bisexual side with Nathan isn't great. But characters in these comics have the rubbery resilience of, well, comedy characters. I'd worry for him a little less than I would for a real guy in the same situation. Remember, Dillon peddled his own butt to Nathan for similar rewards, and saw himself as a whore for that - but he seems to have got over it, rather than suffering weeks of self-disgust.

As for Amber, well, she's been getting off rather lightly in this comic so far, whereas the other two main characters have been (moderately, comically) traumatised a couple of times each. TCampbell has hinted that all three of them are on journeys of character development; it could just be that it's soon going to be Amber's turn to tune into the Uncomfortable Realizations Channel.
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