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Re: 21-08-15 Got the part

Post by JoybuzzerX » Sat Aug 22, 2015 6:24 am

msaturn wrote:Dude, a character that does nothing but sexually assault people without consequence is not funny or worthwhile.

(I'm no white knight loony, but man, consent does NOT happen when you're in power and demanding favors for recompense. This dude is a rapist. It's gross.)
That is not rape. Ray (and Dillion when he did it) could have easily said "I'm not doing that for the part." They both did it. Even if we assume he told Ray, "Sex with me or not part" Ray still could have said no and walked out.

Now, what I'm not sure on, is Canada's rules regarding the head of a movie studio offering that deal.

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Re: 21-08-15 Got the part

Post by Spidrift » Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:17 am

Comparable to Italy's, maybe.

Exploitation of the casting couch is sleazy as hell, and one would like to think that one of the big things preventing it in the real world is the risk of being exposed as a sleazebag, but it's difficult to make it illegal. It's possible that someone like Nathan could be accused of neglecting his financial responsibilities by making bad business decisions under the influence of his gonads.

Note, by the way, that Dillon himself admitted to having become a whore, and Amber didn't deny it.
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Re: 21-08-15 Got the part

Post by Error of Logic » Sat Aug 22, 2015 9:35 am

I'm just putting this question out there: would anyone object if actual bad things happened to Nathan...? =_=

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Re: 21-08-15 Got the part

Post by Spidrift » Sat Aug 22, 2015 10:57 am

If by "bad things" you mean actual bad things rather than comedy bad things, then - yes. It would screw up the well-established atmosphere of these comics.

I get worried enough about people who obsessively fantasise about bad things happening to real bad people in real life. It's unhealthy. Getting the same way about fictional comedy characters is just plain sick.
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Re: 21-08-15 Got the part

Post by Don Alexander » Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:58 am

Potentially less harmful, though.
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Re: 21-08-15 Got the part

Post by Artemisia » Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:52 pm

JoybuzzerX wrote:
msaturn wrote:Dude, a character that does nothing but sexually assault people without consequence is not funny or worthwhile.

(I'm no white knight loony, but man, consent does NOT happen when you're in power and demanding favors for recompense. This dude is a rapist. It's gross.)
That is not rape. Ray (and Dillion when he did it) could have easily said "I'm not doing that for the part." They both did it. Even if we assume he told Ray, "Sex with me or not part" Ray still could have said no and walked out.

Now, what I'm not sure on, is Canada's rules regarding the head of a movie studio offering that deal.
I believe it depends upon how one is defining sexual assault. This is something that came up during the Lewinsky Scandal in the 1990's. Does it qualify as a form of sexual assault if a boss/potential boss has sex with someone who is an underling/potential underling for some specified reason such as getting or keeping a job or promotion. Societal attitudes are turning towards this being considered very wrong, but they haven't always been and aren't universally seen as wrong if both parties are willing participants.
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Re: 21-08-15 Got the part

Post by Spidrift » Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:29 pm

Don Alexander wrote:Potentially less harmful, though.
I should probably have emphasised the "obsessive" part. Bad people exist in reality, unfortunately. Inventing bad people in fiction purely so they can be punished is what's screwed up. It's sadism masked by sanctimoniousness.
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Re: 21-08-15 Got the part

Post by JoybuzzerX » Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:34 am

Artemisia wrote:
JoybuzzerX wrote:
msaturn wrote:Dude, a character that does nothing but sexually assault people without consequence is not funny or worthwhile.

(I'm no white knight loony, but man, consent does NOT happen when you're in power and demanding favors for recompense. This dude is a rapist. It's gross.)
That is not rape. Ray (and Dillion when he did it) could have easily said "I'm not doing that for the part." They both did it. Even if we assume he told Ray, "Sex with me or not part" Ray still could have said no and walked out.

Now, what I'm not sure on, is Canada's rules regarding the head of a movie studio offering that deal.
I believe it depends upon how one is defining sexual assault. This is something that came up during the Lewinsky Scandal in the 1990's. Does it qualify as a form of sexual assault if a boss/potential boss has sex with someone who is an underling/potential underling for some specified reason such as getting or keeping a job or promotion. Societal attitudes are turning towards this being considered very wrong, but they haven't always been and aren't universally seen as wrong if both parties are willing participants.
Sexual assault? No. Possible harassment? Well, harassment entails pressuring/constantly asking no after no (though to be fair, in today's age, someone asking someone out and being told no and then them coming back and asking again, could likely be considered harassing even though many a person would likely not be born if people just gave up on the first "they said no, can never ask them out again").

It's an abuse of position for sure. Not always one instigated by the one in charge either. Sadly, it happens.

Not really much Dillion can say on the matter, it's how he got one of his parts and his apartment.

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Re: 21-08-15 Got the part

Post by Treader » Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:36 pm

TheEighth wrote: I figured Ray would identify as straight, but apparently he's bi enough to have sex with another man? Either that or Nathan has no problem threatening the careers of other people to get them into bed with him. Even if they're straight....

Either Ray is more open minded than we thought....or Nathan is even sleazier that he was before
Or Ray's just dumb enough to buy into Nathan's "Oprah" reasoning. http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/oprah_never_lies

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Re: 21-08-15 Got the part

Post by Error of Logic » Mon Aug 24, 2015 5:51 am

Spidrift wrote:If by "bad things" you mean actual bad things rather than comedy bad things, then - yes. It would screw up the well-established atmosphere of these comics.

I get worried enough about people who obsessively fantasise about bad things happening to real bad people in real life. It's unhealthy. Getting the same way about fictional comedy characters is just plain sick.
I should have clarified. By bad things, I meant things like his wife finding out, someone reporting him to the actors' union, stuff like that. Not death and torture, but consequences commensurate to his sleaze.

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Re: 21-08-15 Got the part

Post by Spidrift » Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:25 am

In the immortal words of the great thinker on the subject: "Only if it was funny."
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Re: 21-08-15 Got the part

Post by Error of Logic » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:16 am

The Tao of Roger Rabbit... ^_^

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