15-05-15 Dating my boy side

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Re: 15-05-15 Dating my boy side

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Spidrift wrote:
Cortez wrote:Then the other people are being insensitive dicks.
So people should have sex with other people to whom they're not physically attracted, because otherwise they'd be insensitive?
Cortez wrote:And Jerzy seems to respect Angel's just fine even if he isn't always comfortable with it. He's not an ass about it.
Jerzy is clearly trying (admirably) hard to be polite to and respectful of an old friend. But even so, he keeps talking about her as female (comparing her to the female protagonist of that movie, for example), to an extent that might slightly annoy Angel if Angel wasn't rather obsessed with him. The fact that he is still perfectly capable of finding Angel sexually attractive, despite reading Angel as female, is exactly what says to me that he's bisexual for any useful definition of the word, despite his denial.
Or have sex with those they do find attractive only to find out they're not who they thought they were!

People on this board can say it's insensitive all they want, but most people in the world would identify Angel as the gender she was born with. This especially includes gay men who meet her and would expect her to be a male if it got far enough into the relationship.

So that Jerzy has gone this far either means he's doing his best to put aside that part of himself or there's something deeper going on with him (cares for Angel that much or a closet bi).

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Socially, I'd be happy to treat Angel as whatever gender she wanted to present as. I can do polite. Sexually... Yeah, it's hard to escape the brute facts of anatomy. If it came to that (which it wouldn't, because I'm certainly not her type even if she was mine, I'm spoken for, and anyway she's fictional), funnily enough, I could probably end up the same place that I suspect Richie is, emotionally; seeing her as an attractive woman with an odd but not deal-breaking hobby.

Jerzy - well, we may yet learn more about him. But "gay with one exception" has the tiresome problem that we know of two exceptions...
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If you are dating someone, find them attractive, go to bed with that person, and still find hem attractive in the morning and are still positively inclined towards them, their past does not effectively change that. If you can find a problem with learning about thwir birth sex/genser only after that, this problem is that they have not revealed a potentially vital information earlier, and it should *not* be what that information was.

If you are well aware about everything pertaining to a person's sex and gender and find yourself physically not up to the challenge of being intimate with them, no matter at which point, no matter how much they may hurt because of it, it's not technically your fault.

Jerzy being able yo have sex with Angel means that either he is able to accept her gender chocie at the moment of the act or that he is functionally bisexual. That distinction is not Angel's problem and frankly has little to do with her.

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Spidrift wrote:Socially, I'd be happy to treat Angel as whatever gender she wanted to present as. I can do polite. Sexually... Yeah, it's hard to escape the brute facts of anatomy. If it came to that (which it wouldn't, because I'm certainly not her type even if she was mine, I'm spoken for, and anyway she's fictional), funnily enough, I could probably end up the same place that I suspect Richie is, emotionally; seeing her as an attractive woman with an odd but not deal-breaking hobby.

Jerzy - well, we may yet learn more about him. But "gay with one exception" has the tiresome problem that we know of two exceptions...
Socially it's a polite thing to do, but so is so many other things people just don't do. Though, as you said, she's a fictional character so respect isn't a matter anyways.

What was Jerzy's other exception? We have no idea if Zii was before or after he said he was gay. We do know he identified as bi before he said he was gay. So, Zii wouldn't be the exception since we know he hasn't been with any woman except Angel since he said he was gay to Dillion.

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He claims that Zii was before he went fully gay (ref. the conversation with Erik). Well, okay, let's be polite to him and assume that people can change from bi to 100% gay (which is the same kind of thing that we hear from "gay cure" wackos, but never mind). The fact remains that, by any kind of plausible chronology, that can't have been much more than a year or so ago. A guy sleeps with a woman, and then less than a couple of years later, sleeps with another woman (anatomically speaking). To me, that's not a convincing argument for "100% gay".
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Looks like both Az and myself missed out posting in this thread. :P

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