06-03-15 Did not mean to hurt me

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Re: 06-03-15 Did not mean to hurt me

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Oh boy, how Dillion will explain this to Ruby all the while calming Amber down is a tiresome thought. It might be easily resolved but it's tiring to think about it nonetheless
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Dill, you are bi...............gasp

uh? I am not, my former boyfriend Matt is the bi guy, I am strictly men (makes gooey eyes while thinking of guys)
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Bambikles wrote:I love how the two sisters seemed to be locked into their own world ! :))
They're far more similar than they would admit it, especially Ruby, in their campiness.
Ruby seems to take every opportunity to look/talk down to her sister, which I find quite unsavoury. Dangerously close to slut-shaming in fact. Really, Ruby comes off as quite unsympathetic in this strip... In fact, in almost every strip where Amber is involved. Grudge and rivalry don't excuse everything.

Meanwhile, Dillon seems to take all of this pretty well. He kind of surprise me. Where has his drama queen side gone ?
Given her choice of words It does not appear to be slut shamming, but disapproval of her behavior. While it is true that Ruby does not know the whole story even if she did Amber would not be very sympathetic. Even if Gary did not mind Amber slept with him because of his oral talents than attraction. And if Ruby found out how Amber learned about this by tricking him into cunnilingus the first time her opinion would drop further.
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Dillon is physically capable of sexual intercourse with a female too, but not the inclination which is why Ruby or for that matter most women feel safer among gay men. Sex with Amber was a one time event with money being involved, but Ruby does not know that and if she finds out then it is out of the frying pan and into the fire.

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Yeah, I think that Ruby's technical knowledge of sex is just fine for a virgin who doesn't actually want to think about the subject. She's simply drawn the obvious conclusion from this conversation - that Dillon is functionally bi, at least in the strictly correct Kinsey-5 sense of "very rarely engages in heterosexual activity", because he has evidently engaged in sexual activity with Amber - and felt tricked and betrayed as a result. And as you say, while Amber and Dillon could explain this just fine by telling the truth, that will just leave Ruby feeling less tricked or threatened but a lot more disgusted. She's currently living in an apartment acquired by prostitution.

(And as I've said before, The Talk that Ruby actually needs to hear at this point is the one that Dillon hopefully heard at some point in the past; the one that says "You're living among people who don't understand you and who may seem to despise you, and some of them are your family, but this is temporary; there are people out there like you, people who'll love you for yourself, and one day you'll find them...")
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Re: 06-03-15 Did not mean to hurt me

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wiseguy wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
wiseguy wrote:I think in a way, Amber is mad at herself for treating Gary as a "piece of meat" the same way many men treated her for being a porn star and for being scared of being "emotionally connected" (as a friend) to Dill
I didn't get that impression, at all. All her guilty babbling indicates (to me, anyway) is that she feels rotten for hurting Dillon. How she used Gary has nothing to do with this sudden breakdown.
"why must he be as good as you" shows she realizes her main reason to be with him is his skills and not to do something for him (specially if we remember yesterday's strip) plus this proves is not as big of a babbling as you think, as we know that she actually thinks that Gary is BETTER than Dillon AND Zii, not "just as good as Dillon" but she still has enough of a presence of mind not to say that
Amber is well aware that Dillon has a thing for Gary and because she's Dillon's BFF, Amber did her best to avoid any further sexual altercations with Gary (unless it was a threeway where Dillon gotsome Gary action first) in order to spare Dillon's feelings; until she tricked Dillon into giving her (and Chanelle) permission to play with Gary out of desperation for more of the swirly (which Dillon wasn't thrilled about when Amber later pointed out his earlier consent).

The night of the gig, she snuck around Dillon's back and used the first opportunity she got to get some alone time with Gary - which is what she's feeling guilty about. She ignored Dillon's feeling (both for Gary and over the heartbreak he was going through after his breakup with Jerzy) in order to get herself a swirly.

Gary's feelings have nothing to do with Amber's current guilt. The whole 'why does he have to be as good as you?!' comment is not due to how she recognizes that she's using Gary as her personal sex toy; but because Gary's oral techniques strongly tempt her to go back against her BFF's wishes in order to get some swirly action.
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is mostly guilt about not able to be there for him after the jerzy break up and for doing an all nighter instead of a quickie (as she still feels she got his permission) and in the previous strip she said she felt guilty about Gary and we have to think in terms of how she felt in the morning after being with him which was that they have not done the coitus
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In that strip, it appeared Amber was feeling more regret over having to leave the action than guilt over using Gary; the whole part about admitting that she hadn't slept with Gary seemed more of an embarrassing acknowledgement than anything associated with guilt.

And in that previous STB strip, she didn't specify that she was feeling guilty about using Gary for her own pleasure - she was unintentionally confessing to going back on her promise to Dillon about keeping Gary off limits and didn't realize what she was doing until Dillon interrupted her train of thought. Then, the tears start following as she continues her confession.

So, I would think it's pretty clear the guilt she was referring to was in regards to betraying her BFF more so than using Gary the night before.
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I try to immerse into the character and not necessarily on how I see things and try to

one has to be careful not to project how one wants things to be or be influenced by our own experiences and start making assumptions based on that, or go based on recent facts, and put more weight on them and diminish the ones of the past(specially when what it is for us a few weeks ago might be just a few days ago for the characters
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I'm basing my thoughts on what I've seen transpire in both comics. Projection has nothing to do with it.
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the only facts

Dillon and her were taken advantage by same sleazy guy, and that started their friendship(besides fact Dill knew Gary was hot for how he envisioned Amber) and led to becoming roommates and she learning of the SGR(first one to feel it as a fellatio tool)

she liked the SGR, Gary suddenly came to her life and she saw that he knew the SGR, so took advantage (and taught him the SGR is a fellatio tool) and she saw he was better than Dill, but thinking he is bi, offered 3some of the 2 plus dill(scratch of record)

he came back later to give up his porn collection, they talked and she saw he was a nice guy(and at that time and still now, thinks Gary is bi, we readers can't let Dillon off the hook for that) and she was willing to reciprocate( this was after learning about Yuki taking but not giving if I remember correctly)

she manipulated things to get the SGR(which must be better than Zii's tongue or she would have settled for that when they reconnected) with Dillon's permission (which is bad if we go by what Amber knows. that Gary is bi and with an off on thing with Dillon, as she sees Dillon hooking up with other guys; but not bad from what us readers know, that Gary is straight, taking aside Senna)


she preferred to escape from the "post breakup with Jerzy meltdown" than to be there for Dillon

in reality, EVEN if Dillon and Gary were an actual item, and even thought she manipulated him to get permission, he lost any rights when he decided to go into a relation with Jerzy

and EVEN if because Dill has a crush on Gary meant she can't touch him, that same situation came up now that she found out(thanks to Ruby) that Dill has a crush also on Ray(and if we go by wrong assumption that Gary is bi, and thus making him out of reach but Ray is in because he is straight; she would get mad with Dill if she finds out Gary is actually straight and dill made her believe Gary is bi)

all this factors leave only one thing to be really guilty about pertaining Dillon (and I still maintain Amber feels guilty about not being able to "give to Gary yet" when she made her goal to be better than Yuki)

that she chose to be with someone else rather than to console him about JERZY (not Gary) so she would have felt guilty even if she had gone with Zii or chanelle instead of being there for Dillon and even adding Dillon crush on Gary, at best it is 90% not being there for dill and 10% being with Gary as reason for her guilt
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Amber's used Gary as an orgasm machine twice now, despite her claims to want to "save" him from that with Yuki(Granted, the second time was out of her control, and exacerbated by Chanelle, but still...)

Amber feels bad for neglecting Dillon and ignoring his feelings, but Gary's feelings haven't even crossed her mind. I wonder if the next few comics will make Dillon and Amber realize their respective hypocrisies or their past mistreatments of Gary.

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at this time she has mostly concentrated on the guilt for "left him alone to handle the "jerzy thing" and being selfish to him" but in a small part she remembered Gary while talking about why she sees Ray as possible BF and unintentionally told Dillon about being with Gary the whole night (and has not told him Gary was with many girls, remember that she THINKS Gary is bi and she thinks dill and Gary have an off and on thing, with Dill going with Jerzy and Gary with Yuki )

the first time she was ready to "give to Gary" Dillon showed up, the second time she was ready to go for it, Gary got a call from Mom and revealed it was his birthday, and that was reason Amber called Chanelle, otherwise she would not have called her........... so don't say she is being hypocrite with Gary aside from the first time, (maybe with Dillon) it has been circumstances that have prevented her from giving to Gary

only 2 girls had coitus with Gary(Kiley and Sonya) with a "maybe"(not confirmed but seems highly probable) with Senna, and no indication that ANYONE had licked the star power ever

the bad thing about amber is the pattern that various times she has "manipulated people"

how she got apartment
how she got Gary to do SGR on the magic box for the first time
how she got Dillon on the room and "tried" to lock him out
how she got Dillon to say yes to her being with Gary

the bad thing about Dillon is that he keeps either outright lying, or keeping quiet thus making people assume that Gary is Bi and there is a sexual relationship between Gary and Dillon, instead of telling the truth............... both sisters(Amber and Ruby) think that Gary is bisexual(will never go with a guy guy, but would go with someone like Senna, and might consider Dillon only if Dillon decided to change genders) and the 2 sisters would be outraged at him if they find the truth about Gary

and for Gary/Ray

don't know which way writers will go

either amber will feel obligated to forget both Gary and Ray if issue is that both are Crushes of Dillon, or the difference is that(in her mind) is that Gary is bi and has been with Dill while Ray is straight, and what happens when she realizes Gary is straight just like Ray(supposedly, there is still a chance he discovers out he is bi)
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Ruby annoys me most times, but I try to give her the benefit of the doubt for the following reasons:

She was bullied by those who knew her sister was in porn and confronted her with the evidence of such at a party. That's ... got to suck for a teenager who likely just wants to fit in and has that stigma - fair or not - attached to her.

She has kept Amber's secret from their parents. These "wealthy doctors," as Zii mentioned early in the Ma3 universe are probably more like Gary's unseen family in the sexual activity department. I think that Ruby's attitude didn't spring from nothingness. Yes, her view on sexuality was probably colored after she was bullied by those kids at the party that played one of Amber's tapes in front of everyone, but she seems like she's the product of a sexually repressive home. That she has kept her mouth shut about Amber's activities when she had plenty of evidence to show their parents says something positive to me about her. It's clear that Amber probably was the golden child of the household and Ruby was made to feel less-than and probably got the brunt of it when Amber left home. She could've brought that all tumbling down, but she didn't.

While Amber and Dillon are BFFs, I think Ruby is actually much more perceptive about Dillon than Amber is, hence her freaking out over Ray and now Gary. As someone pointed out, Ruby doesn't know Gary's not bi (and, honestly, WE don't know Gary's not bi either at this point), but even if she did know, I don't think that would matter. Ruby has had fantasies about Dillon and Andy and Dillon herself told her that Andy is not gay and she has been on a date with Andy.

I think Ruby, having been around directly after the Jerzy fallout, sees Dillon as the anti-Amber: Dillon has had his flirtations but he wants to be with one guy. He was in love with Matt and devastated when he found out he was cheating. He liked Jerzy but that got cabbaged, too. Dillon is a flirt but I think it's clear he wants to settle down with one special guy. Amber, in her suggestions of a Gary-her-Dillon threesome and other things doesn't seem to really "get" that, but Ruby does. I also think that Ruby really doesn't get that a porn star doesn't necessarily have "loose morals." I think she feels as many people do that if someone will f*** a veritable stranger on film for money, there's little they won't do in the sexual realm. It doesn't occur to her that she's wrong, she has too much resentment stored up.

This is not to say Amber doesn't want to settle down, as well. I doubt the Ray thing will be a long-lasting relationship but I don't have any trouble believing that Amber wants a steady guy. I am totally not OK with cheating either on the cheaters end or the OW/OM end, and while I do sort of judge Amber for f***ing a knowingly married man, Dillon did, as well, so that's a wash. I can't think of Amber and the first Gary swirly without my head threatening to explode, so I'll leave that alone.

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I think the writes had put the Gary thing to rest(BASICALLY)

he would never be with Matt, or the Robin guy, as proven when he went to Matt and met for the first time Senna, thus he sees himself as straight

BUT

seems he has no issue with Senna and he almost succumbed to the "dressed as a girl Dillon" (so if Dillon changed gender, he might be okay with it) and a lot of people see transgender guy to girl as females that happen to have an extra tool (at least until post-op where they would be seen as 100% female), and not as male

some people will define Gary as straight, others as bisexual(because of Senna)
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Frankly, the best way out for Dillon (and Amber) would be to admit that they participated in a MMF 3-way which was initiated by the other guy, and that during the course of that Dillon did some things with Amber which she enjoyed but he didn't, and that it was a one-time thing which he now regrets. Not that anything that sensible is likely to be said, because, hey, COMEDY! FUN! SILLINESS! STUPIDITY! X_X

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