27-01-15 Angry with herself

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Re: 27-01-15 Angry with herself

Post by Spidrift » Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:22 pm

Dalai Rasta wrote:I do wonder if Amber's porn career is going to wind up being a secret that everyone knows.
It's no secret to anyone on-screen in the comic. The smart betting is that her parents don't know, because if they did but had been hiding the fact from Ruby, then Ruby has wasted seven years of emotional stress to no good purpose at all. Which would be a crappy revelation to dump on a comedy character, and would probably break Ruby.

(My guess is that when they do find out, they'll tell Ruby to cone home, and Ruby will have a crucial character moment when she says "No".)
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Re: 27-01-15 Angry with herself

Post by Dalai Rasta » Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:57 pm

Oh, right now that sort of revelation would be catastrophic, and genuine breakdowns aren't terribly funny; however, later in their respective character arcs, I could see that discovery uniting Amber and Ruby in a "What the hell, parents?" moment.

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Re: 27-01-15 Angry with herself

Post by Spidrift » Tue Jan 27, 2015 8:44 pm

Trouble is, it wouldn't be terribly heavy for Amber. She's stressed a little over when and how to tell them, but not to the point of breakdown; it'd just be a small relief for her. For Ruby, on the other hand - those seven years of hell are now established fact. There's no deleting them, even if she does develop a more laid-back attitude to life in future. (And realistically, somebody like Ruby is never going to become laid back; she's just, hopefully, going to develop her sense of proportion - and her capacity for well-tuned snarkiness.) That reveal might make her blindingly angry instead of soul-crushed, but either way, she'd end up saying a lot of stuff that could never be un-said.
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Re: 27-01-15 Angry with herself

Post by wi1dfire » Tue Jan 27, 2015 9:51 pm

I admit, I was briefly entranced with the idea of the very many faces Ruby would make if her parents ever dropped the bomb on her that, "Oh, well of course we've known for years that Amber does porn. It's not what we'd have encouraged either of you to do, but its her choice. Why didn't we tell you? Well, you've always been so adamantly against even dating, we didn't see how to bring it up. Plus, we always hoped your sister would tell you."

But no, I don't think that's the case, for one simple reason. If Ruby's parents were actively conniving to keep her in the dark about Amber's CV, sending Ruby to live with her would be the last thing they'd do, because it would take approximately seven seconds for someone as bright as Ruby to put it all together.

About the only way I could see that happening is if their dad, for whatever reason, knew and kept it to himself, even from their mom. Meanwhile, their mom, seeing no reason not to, pushed the sisters together. If their parents don't regularly check in with each other, or are even separated (which I don't think has been ruled out by what we know), it could take days or weeks for him to be cut in, and by then it'd be too late.
Spidrift wrote:And realistically, somebody like Ruby is never going to become laid back
You might be amazed at what modern pharmaceuticals are capable of when well managed, but I agree with your basic assessment. If she was going to become laid-back sometime before some life-changing event like having a kid, she'd have started by now.

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Re: 27-01-15 Angry with herself

Post by Spidrift » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:51 pm

wi1dfire wrote:I admit, I was briefly entranced with the idea of the very many faces Ruby would make if her parents ever dropped the bomb on her that, "Oh, well of course we've known for years that Amber does porn. It's not what we'd have encouraged either of you to do, but its her choice. Why didn't we tell you? Well, you've always been so adamantly against even dating, we didn't see how to bring it up. Plus, we always hoped your sister would tell you."
Even if they were thinking that way, there'd be no reason for them not to have told Amber that they knew. It's clear from her comments that, so far as she's aware, she still has to tell them.
wi1dfire wrote:You might be amazed at what modern pharmaceuticals are capable of when well managed, but I agree with your basic assessment. If she was going to become laid-back sometime before some life-changing event like having a kid, she'd have started by now.
I know mature Ruby-ish types. Lovely, sexy, funny women, but born to be managers or teachers or engineers. Total laid-back-ness isn't a prerequisite for being good people. They get shit done.

And no way would Ruby-with-a-kid become laid back. In fact, even if she finds a life partner, she needs to be prevented from breeding until she's unwound quite a lot. The poor sprog would be ground zero for her worry, 24/7.
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Re: 27-01-15 Angry with herself

Post by wiseguy » Tue Jan 27, 2015 11:54 pm

if she finds a life partner a few years in the future



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Re: 27-01-15 Angry with herself

Post by Dr. Jamming » Wed Jan 28, 2015 12:45 am

It seems quite plausible (if the parents knew about Amber's career) that they wouldn't have mentioned it simply out of a desire to be discreet, or to avoid awkwardness. It wouldn't be necessary for them to be conspiring to keep ruby in the dark, so much as their simply finding out incidentally, and then assuming that Amber would bring it up if she ever wanted to talk about it. For all they know, it could be safe to assume that there's nothing to tell Ruby at all, especially if it's something like the first Google result for Amber's name (Many porn-stars will show up under their real names even if they use a stage name when working). A sort of everyone knows, no one brings it up situation. But then, I suppose interpersonal dynamics are different for everyone.
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Re: 27-01-15 Angry with herself

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Re: 27-01-15 Angry with herself

Post by Spidrift » Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:37 am

Dr. Jamming wrote:It seems quite plausible (if the parents knew about Amber's career) that they wouldn't have mentioned it simply out of a desire to be discreet, or to avoid awkwardness. It wouldn't be necessary for them to be conspiring to keep ruby in the dark, so much as their simply finding out incidentally, and then assuming that Amber would bring it up if she ever wanted to talk about it. For all they know, it could be safe to assume that there's nothing to tell Ruby at all, especially if it's something like the first Google result for Amber's name (Many pron-stars will show up under their real names even if they use a stage name when working). A sort of everyone knows, no one brings it up situation. But hen, I suppose interpersonal dynamics are different for everyone.
But then, they'd be knowingly sending their naïve, sheltered daughter to live with a porn star, without warning her (or Amber), and without considering how Ruby might feel about that even if she did already know. It is clear that they're frikkin' awful parents, but that would hit truly criminal levels of thoughtlessness.

Plus, according to Ruby's (biased) account, they talk about Amber, favourably, in her absence. Funny if they do that without mentioning what they know she does for a living.

Look, "Oh, we knew that all along" is a massive comedy cliché. I know that some people want their comedy totally clichéd and predictable, but in this case it could only be achieved by dumping a whole load of not-very-comedy crap on Ruby's head. I can't see how it could work.

Oh yeah, two stray possibilities:

(1) If Dillon drags Ruby out of the room for a moment, and determines that Ruby is jealous of Amber's grabbing Ray's attention (which he might put down to nothing deeper than Ruby understandably finding Ray attractive), what are the odds that he'll say "She's just saying hello" and lead Ruby back into the room -- only to discover Amber kissing Ray (strictly for teaching purposes, of course)?

(2) Ray's been a bit of a blank so far, but when he first appeared, he demonstrated a bit of sensitivity and sympathy about other people's feelings. Bonus points to him if he does get left alone with Amber, only to say "Your sister isn't jealous of you, is she?".

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Re: 27-01-15 Angry with herself

Post by Cortez » Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:32 am

Bambikles wrote:To begin with, she's done loads of porn films, enough to fill a big cardboard box. She's probably quite famous and quite many porn watchers will recognize her at any time. Besides, I don't think Amber wants to hide her past. But she wants people to acknowledge that she's no more in porn, hence changing her name. Her situation is more like Dwayne Johnson's (no, he didn't make porn, but changed his name when he left the catch scene, if you ask :p ) than like Sibel Kekilli's, I feel. Save for the parents not knowing it, huh.
Not quite the same, since Dwayne Johnson is Dwayne Johnson's real name.

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Re: 27-01-15 Angry with herself

Post by wiseguy » Thu Jan 29, 2015 1:50 am

actually is the same

Dwayne Johnson enter WWF(now WWE) eventually becomes "the Rock"
Amber Larose enter Porn Industry and eventually becomes "Amber Amber"

The rock goes into movies and eventually goes in the credits as Dwayne Johnson
Amber Amber goes into regular acting and goes on them as Amber larose
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Re: 27-01-15 Angry with herself

Post by Spidrift » Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:52 am

I wrote:But then, they'd be knowingly sending their naïve, sheltered daughter to live with a porn star, without warning her (or Amber), and without considering how Ruby might feel about that even if she did already know.
Stray thought: Of course, if Amber is as bloody awful about reading her e-mails as Ruby implies, and their mother is as oblivious, it's possible that Amber will open her mailbox one day and discover a couple of hundred messages from her mother saying "We know about your job, do you want to talk about it?" and "Could you talk to Ruby, she seems a bit short of social life" and "We're sending Ruby to you, please explain about the porn thing at the first opportunity and then help her get out a bit".

Bonus points if it's Ruby who points out snarkily to Amber that she ought to check her e-mail sometimes, helps her fire up Google Mail, and reads all those e-mails first. Though the question would then be who Ruby would murder first.
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Re: 27-01-15 Angry with herself

Post by Cortez » Tue Sep 29, 2015 4:12 pm

wiseguy wrote:actually is the same

Dwayne Johnson enter WWF(now WWE) eventually becomes "the Rock"
Amber Larose enter Porn Industry and eventually becomes "Amber Amber"

The rock goes into movies and eventually goes in the credits as Dwayne Johnson
Amber Amber goes into regular acting and goes on them as Amber larose
Still completely different.

Amber's career path is more like former pornstar Sasha Grey, for obvious reasons, than Dwayne Johnson. Since wrestling isn't the same thing as doing porn.

Plus The Rock still wrestles, while Amber has completely abandoned her previous profession.
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Re: 27-01-15 Angry with herself

Post by Spidrift » Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:15 pm

Wow, serious thread necromancy. Though I'm amused to note that my past speculations about Ruby getting to check Amber's e-mail for her have suddenly become relevant again...
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