12-08-14 I like someone else

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Re: 12-08-14 I like someone else

Post by Don Alexander » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:08 pm

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Don Alexander wrote:So, anyone wanna bet the person Dillon is crushing on is Ray himself?
Umm, duh?
I can't help but notice how you left out the rest of my post which makes it sufficiently clear I was being sarcastic... /:)

I really do not like to be quoted out of context like that. :-w
crimzontearz wrote:lovely, disliking a character is whining now.
No, disliking a character is, in general, not whining.

However, what you are doing IS whining to the highest degree.

Also, you aren't disliking Dillon. Spidrifit is disliking Dillon, Hell, I'll even admit myself to not liking his character. What you are doing is senseless hating. Your permanent negativity is polluting these boards, and quite obviously I am not the only one who sees it that way.
Spidrift wrote:Like I said, Foes list. Which, ironically, once upon a time would have been called a killfile.)
Then they inversed the killfile, and that's how the Republic of Desire started... And also the Walled City. I think Gibson, copied himself there from book to book.

Um, sorry, got distracted... :ymblushing:
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Re: 12-08-14 I like someone else

Post by FlashD81 » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:15 pm

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I'm not sure what the reference is so could someone please explain.

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Re: 12-08-14 I like someone else

Post by Spidrift » Wed Aug 13, 2014 8:34 pm

Optimus Kate wrote:For the record, in case I haven't said it before, I totally agree with you guys on that. It is hypocritical. To say otherwise would be absolutely foolish. But Dillon has not "woken up" yet on regards to his own faults, so I'm not ready to dismiss him completely over his hypocrisy and delusions. I know he still needs to grow up a lot.

I always love a good flawed character. I like Zii a whole lot too, and I am well aware that I was in the forum minority with that one for a while. Matt too.
I really don't dislike Dillon for being flawed. I dislike him for being ... Dillon. I can like those other characters, to a greater or lesser extent, with no trouble. Dillon just gets on my nerves, for reasons orthogonal to him being a jerk. Though there is something about hypocrisy that does get to some people especially badly, somewhat including me.

The other question is whether Dillon is capable of reforming - or rather, whether him reforming, as looks inevitable, can be made to look plausible. He's really been very unwilling to do so before now. Ruby may be supposed to be some sort of catalyst, but so far, she's mostly failed to call him on his crap when she's had the chance.
Don Alexander wrote:I really do not like to be quoted out of context like that.
Sorry, something about your sarcasm jams my detectors. (If it's conveyed by smilies, note that I tend to disregard those on principle.) I don't seem able to track it.
Spidrift wrote:Like I said, Foes list. Which, ironically, once upon a time would have been called a killfile.)
Then they inversed the killfile, and that's how the Republic of Desire started... And also the Walled City. I think Gibson, copied himself there from book to book.
I don't have the faintest idea what you're on about either (would that be William Gibson?), so I'll just say that some of us can remember the simple satisfaction of simply typing *plonk*.
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Re: 12-08-14 I like someone else

Post by crimzontearz » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:52 pm

Don Alexander wrote:
Spidrift wrote:
Don Alexander wrote:So, anyone wanna bet the person Dillon is crushing on is Ray himself?
Umm, duh?
I can't help but notice how you left out the rest of my post which makes it sufficiently clear I was being sarcastic... /:)

I really do not like to be quoted out of context like that. :-w
crimzontearz wrote:lovely, disliking a character is whining now.
No, disliking a character is, in general, not whining.

However, what you are doing IS whining to the highest degree.

Also, you aren't disliking Dillon. Spidrifit is disliking Dillon, Hell, I'll even admit myself to not liking his character. What you are doing is senseless hating. Your permanent negativity is polluting these boards, and quite obviously I am not the only one who sees it that way.
Spidrift wrote:Like I said, Foes list. Which, ironically, once upon a time would have been called a killfile.)
Then they inversed the killfile, and that's how the Republic of Desire started... And also the Walled City. I think Gibson, copied himself there from book to book.

Um, sorry, got distracted... :ymblushing:
once the Karma Houdini-ing stops along side the slapstick-level ability to bypass any and all realization of his building sized flaws and hypocrisy by Dillon and there is a hint of redemption I will GLADLY comment positively on it (example...Tristan from SOTR...I do not dislike him anymore, of course he might slide back in jerk mode once Sandra goes back for more sessions and/or recordings)

until then I will keep hoping for some Karma strike-back that is not brushed off as an "opportunity to improve".

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Re: 12-08-14 I like someone else

Post by dmra » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:41 pm

You mean "karma houdini-ing" like being betrayed by one boyfriend and recently losing another. We haven't been shown the full effects of the Jerzy break up yet but it's clear that the Matt thing had a fairly traumatic impact. Dillon has actually suffered quite a lot in these strips. Not as much as you might have liked perhaps but the last thing he is is a karma houdini.

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Re: 12-08-14 I like someone else

Post by crimzontearz » Wed Aug 13, 2014 11:50 pm

that was in MA3, in MA3 I actually LIKED Dillon.

See, the lost Jerzy of his own doing, yet the consequences of it are yet to be worked upon but thanks to the last few strips it seems he is going to just jump back on the horse again and seduce "guy with girlfriend #28"

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Re: 12-08-14 I like someone else

Post by Odd Man Out » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:47 am

Ruby really does look a lot more like her sister when she's asleep. Some common style to their bedhead hair maybe.

This does make me wonder if we're going to see any attempts to link Dillon's one time concern for his grades (sure, excuse in the flashback but he must have put in enough work for people to believe it) with Ruby's seeming dedication to them. Finding out he was ever academically strong might be a surprising place to find common ground.

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Re: 12-08-14 I like someone else

Post by wiseguy » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:48 am

some say that it might be( at least in Dill's mind) JERZY!!!! if Angel ends up being a gal as some readers think, and that is why Jerzy does not want Angel; not just because they are friends, but because Jerzy wants just guys, not gals
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Re: 12-08-14 I like someone else

Post by crimzontearz » Thu Aug 14, 2014 12:57 am

I still think Angel is a girl

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Re: 12-08-14 I like someone else

Post by Giz » Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:03 am

Optimus Kate wrote:I mean, it's a little unbelievable that 27 heterosexual males slept with another man just because he's a good kisser and, you know, continued identifying as heterosexual.

But I guess there's a Kinsey Scale for a reason!
We'll be getting back to that line. It's not over yet. ;;)

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Post by Artemisia » Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:56 am

I think we actually had quite the conversation about that a couple of strips back.
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Post by wi1dfire » Thu Aug 14, 2014 1:58 am

Odd Man Out wrote:This does make me wonder if we're going to see any attempts to link Dillon's one time concern for his grades (sure, excuse in the flashback but he must have put in enough work for people to believe it) with Ruby's seeming dedication to them. Finding out he was ever academically strong might be a surprising place to find common ground.
Eh, you could be right, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Dillon is one of those people to whom high school level work just came naturally. If you have a better than average memory, which he probably does (actor), it isn't that difficult. Many "smart" people, myself included, found out the hard way the limits of their own intellects when they progressed into college classes and beyond. For example, I got into college without the least bit of an idea about how to go about writing a proper paper, and my grammar remains quite shaky to this day. I didn't get formally diagnosed with either dyslexia or ADHD until I was nearly 20 (and by then the ADHD was mostly gone on its own) because the idea of someone with my recall having learning disabilities was silly.

Circling back to Dillon, his memory is probably damn good, but his logical skills seem underutilized. Like a library stuffed full of books on all topics but no organization to the books, that combination is less useful than it would seem on paper.

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Re: 12-08-14 I like someone else

Post by Don Alexander » Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:23 am

Spidrift wrote:
Don Alexander wrote:
Spidrift wrote:Like I said, Foes list. Which, ironically, once upon a time would have been called a killfile.)
Then they inversed the killfile, and that's how the Republic of Desire started... And also the Walled City. I think Gibson, copied himself there from book to book.
I don't have the faintest idea what you're on about either (would that be William Gibson?), so I'll just say that some of us can remember the simple satisfaction of simply typing *plonk*.
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Re: 12-08-14 I like someone else

Post by Kiggy » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:14 am

bejammin2000 wrote:I think I'm in the minority here, most likely, but I think Ruby and Dillon are cute together. And, at least in my head, Ruby is what makes Dillon realize that maybe he's not so super-mega-gay as he thinks he is and might actually be a teensiest bit bi.

Or maybe there's the whole thing about being burned by men to often that he's chased into the arms of a woman like in those movies that plays on late night cinemax.

Just the other way around.

I started a thread last year with the prediction that Ruby would/could fall hard for Dillon, but she would end up heartbroken as he has no interest in women. Of course, it all depends on the gods in Valhalla (aka DAHLING) if said prediction takes flight or crashes and burns.

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Re: 12-08-14 I like someone else

Post by Spidrift » Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:17 am

Odd Man Out wrote:This does make me wonder if we're going to see any attempts to link Dillon's one time concern for his grades (sure, excuse in the flashback but he must have put in enough work for people to believe it) with Ruby's seeming dedication to them.
Honestly, I wouldn't read much into that line at all. It was very much an excuse in the context, and it could just as easily mean "my grades are weak and I don't want them to get worse" as "my grades are good and I want them to get even better".
wi1dfire wrote:Circling back to Dillon, his memory is probably damn good, but his logical skills seem underutilized.
I think that's what's called an understatement...
Don Alexander wrote:Yes, indeed, William Gibson. Specifically his novels Virtual Light and Idoru.
Ah, right. I'm sadly patchy on that later sequence. Sprawl trilogy references, I'd probably get.
Kiggy wrote:I started a thread last year with the prediction that Ruby would/could fall hard for Dillon, but she would end up heartbroken as he has no interest in women.
Ruby is now very clear that Dillon is gay, she's shown no signs of any misguided social-conservative ideas about gayness being an illness that can be cured, and she has no serious sexual vanity, so she wouldn't assume that she could change him through sheer seductiveness. If she found herself falling for him, she'd just get annoyed with herself.

(And it's always been the point of Dillon as a character that he's the gayest vaginaphobic thing on Planet Gay during Gayness Week, Kinsey Seven with a bullet; him showing the faintest twinge of sexual interest in anything without a penis just ain't gonna happen.)
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