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Re: 20-06-14 What kind of boyfriend are you

Post by Schmorgluck » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:11 am

Jerzy may have thought he had good reasons to leave Dillon in the dark, but the end result is still disastrous. If Dillon had been clear-headed enough to tell Jerzy that he wouldn't have needed to behave that way if Jerzy had been honest to begin with, he would have made a fair point, even though the way he handled all this himself has been quite stupid. I don't like Dillon, but Jerzy did fuck up pretty hard here. With a sneaky push from Angel.
Don Alexander wrote:The two things I really enjoyed in this strip was Dillon, of all people, using the words "DAMN STRAIGHT!", and of course Ruby. Spi may disagree, but I think she is one of the winners of the evening, her switch to being Rudy will hopefully transfer when she is out of disguise again.
Actually, Spidrift voiced his opinion about Ruby in the first page of the thread:
Spidrift wrote:Dillon is Dillon. Ruby, on the other hand, is awesome. Never mind Jerzy; she is far better than Dillon deserves.
And I quite agree. She pulls an awesome feat of tactically sound quick-thinking.
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Post by Error of Logic » Sat Jun 21, 2014 4:02 am

So many blockheads in this installment... So, so many... =.=;
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Re: 20-06-14 What kind of boyfriend are you

Post by JoybuzzerX » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:38 am

cellabella wrote:
Fluffy wrote:
Dillon only refused Matt because Gary walked in and interrupted Matt's seduction. If he didn't walk in at that moment, Dillon most likely would have caved.
I have conceded in a subsequent post that this is a fair point. Matt seems to be a weak spot with Dillon. I think Dillon is done thinking he and Matt will ever work out and I do think that he probably would have resisted temptation, but if he'd ended up face down in Matt's crotch, I would not have been shocked. Disappointed, yes, but not shocked.

And though Jerzy didn't go into specifics on who he was helping out that night, he didn't outright lie to Dillon. And Dillon was quick to figure it out , so was well aware that Jerzy was going to be at the concert to support his ex girlfriend.
I find Jerzy to be a liar by omission. What he said to Erik about his fling with Zii was not something that a guy who had no obligation to someone would say. He clearly knew that Angel considered them an item and he left that out when he decided to bang Zii. Zii was no innocent here, either, but I don't think it's fair to let Jerzy off scott free because he's not out and out lying. That said, again in a subsequent post I said that as soon as Dillon figured it out, he should have confronted Jerzy, not hatched up this lame scheme. I know that it was necessary for the comic to progress, but in "real life," it was a bad move on Dillon's part, because now he looks like the weirdo, when Jerzy's lack of honesty got the ball rolling.
The hate for Dillon from a number of folks has to do with his distrustful nature and that he's an utter hypocrite. Dillon has, on four separate occasions, made suggestive gestures, keeping his eye open for other prospects, intended to hit on an attractive pet store owner he had his eye on and attempted to cope a feel from Andy, twice. All this taking place while he was dating Jerzy. When confronted about it, he passed it off as innocent flirting on his part.
I'm not a Dillon stan. I was creeped out by his weird obsession with Gary and that he was not exactly teaching him the Swirly for altruistic means. Though not as creeped out as I was by Amber getting Gary to eat her out under false pretenses, which I never heard too much of an outcry over. :/ Additionally, he has been wrong to cockblock Amber. Gary has made it clear that he is not interested in Dillon and likely is not in any way interested in men. Dillon's petulance about that has been a sore point for me. Amber and Gary are adults, and if they want to fuck, they should feel free to do so without worrying about hurting Dillon's feelings. Dillon is selfish and he appears to have poor impulse control. Neither of these things are okay. I have said that I feel like SDB is going to be a wakeup call of sorts for Dillon. He wants a steady relationship but he doesn't have any more idea about how to go about that than Gary does, really.

Also, I think it's unfair to ding him for a distrustful nature. He left a sweet pad and a roommate he really liked because he thought he'd met The One in Matt, who subsequently cheated on him. Yes, Dillon is going to be distrustful after that. Somehow I feel like if this were Erik, being gunshy about a new relationship after Zii, there wouldn't be anywhere as near the anger, and he and Dillon basically were screwed over in the exact same way.
And yet, because his new boy toy is still friends with an ex lover (of whom still has the hots for her ex and doesn't much like Dillon), Dillon automatically believes that Jerzy is shacking up with Angel, despite the fact that Jerzy has never shown any reciprocation for Angel's feelings and has made it clear - to both of them - that Dillon is his main squeeze.
Making it clear to Angel would be to tell them to stop being an asshole, which Jerzy had not. He expected Dillon to just turn the other cheek as Angel openly lusts after his boyfriend. That's ... okay with you? I remember during the whole Kiley arc when Didi was putting her down and flirting openly with Gary that people wanted to roast Didi at the stake. Yet, Dillon is suddenly a paranoid douche because he's angry that every time he turns around, Angel is trying stuff their tongue down Jerzy's throat and Jerzy's only response is a halfhearted "Cut it out Angel"?

You hate Dillon, apparently. That's cool. It must make for reading a comic that is all about him tough, though, because I very highly doubt he is going to get the comeuppance that you and others feel he deserves.
TwoWayStar wrote:Honestly I agree with Cellabella. I love Dillon, I think he's great character, and already I can see him changing for the better little by little. Every single forum update I read though seems to be a constant repeat of "UGH Dillon is so awful and terrible and everything that happens is 100% his fault". You don't have to like him..but recognize that it's not always entirely his fault.
Yeah, it's just ... yes. Dillon has done a ton of gross shit. So has Zii. So has Yuki. So has Didi. So has Matt. Arguably, with the first Swirly, so did Amber. But Dillon, who literally went nowhere near Gary and was only in his vicinity because Gary came into the washroom, gets beat over the head. I mean, I get it in a way, but it's just strange.
Jerzy does have huge issues about Angel and seems to turn a blind eye whenever Angel messes with someone he's interested in. We've only seen evidence with Dillon but from the way Angel's acting, manipulating the person Jerzy's into doesn't seem new.
My theory is that Jerzy feels that his selfishness in fucking Zii ruined an opportunity for Angel (and Zii) to make the big time before now. They are both good musicians and probably could have had a record deal by now if not for Jerzy deciding to get his cock wet and Zii deciding to oblige him. I think Jerzy feels like he doesn't deserve Angel's high regard, and frankly, it is coming off a little obsessive. You're still openly lusting after a guy who cheated on you and who has told you to your face that your fling was a mistake? I mean I get that Jerzy is sending major mixed signals of his own, but it's still a little weird.
Also...it seems there's an abundance of almost white-knighting for Ruby. As though she is a delicate flower who wilts at the first sign of some trouble. For example, about finding out about Zii and Amber..some reacted like she was going to cry or break or something. I dunno she seems like she's a trooper to me! I admire her a lot honestly.
I think that Ruby lived something of a sheltered life, and not entirely by choice. Zii said early in the Ma3 comic that Amber's parents were wealthy doctors. When their eldest went into porn, I can imagine that Ruby got a lot of helicopter parenting and coddling. This is the first time she's living out on her own and there is a lot of stuff she legit doesn't know or understand. Also, prior to finding out what Amber did for a living, she probably wanted to be around her big sister and felt excluded when Amber shut her out. I don't know the age difference, but it doesn't seem that vast, and so that had to hurt. I think that SDB will see Ruby toughening up a lot and gaining a lot of real world experience. I find it somewhat strange, too, that Amber has sort of left Ruby to fend for herself. I get that they aren't close, but Dillon has almost entirely stepped into the role of Ruby's mentor and Amber seems to be just ... there.
Bambikles wrote: You don't get it at all. People are annoyed at Dillon because he's CAMP and that mortal sin shall not and will not be forgiven. EVER.
Even worse, he's CAMP GAY, which is a type of character many people, rightly or wrongly, hope to never see again because they find it old, clichéd, overplayed, when not downright demeaning. 8-|
That's how I see things. Of course I can be mistaken.
Sorry to be a killjoy, but again my experiences on this forum have taught me not to assume things. So sorry in advance to come off as a killjoy if you're being facetious. If it's true that Dillon's perceived campiness is something that turns people off, then I'm not sure how to respond to that. Different strokes, I guess.

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Agreed on there being a perfectly good reason for Dillion to have trust issues. Just can't be helped when cheated on after a serious relationship. Maybe made even worse because he thought Matt was someone he wasn't (gay and not bi).

Though I think part of the reason Amber teaching Gary the swirly didn't get as much negativity is because it just didn't make since that Gary couldn't tell what he was doing there. :p That should've just been obvious.

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Re: 20-06-14 What kind of boyfriend are you

Post by Spidrift » Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:33 am

Don Alexander wrote:I'm starting to loathe Angel, I used to think (s)he was a really funny and cool character, especially as a foil to Dillon, but this Creepy McStalkerpoantsdom combined with the ostentatious Schadenfreude is pissing me off.
You and me both. I thought we might get a comedy pattern whereby Dillon hated Angel as a rival, but Ruby kept defending him because he was okay to her, even if he did have some funny ideas about her ... tastes. But I assume that she's seen enough here that even she will be giving him a wide berth.
The two things I really enjoyed in this strip was Dillon, of all people, using the words "DAMN STRAIGHT!", and of course Ruby. Spi may disagree, but I think she is one of the winners of the evening, her switch to being Rudy will hopefully transfer when she is out of disguise again.
Ruby loses this evening because she gets stuck with weepy Dillon (gee, thanks big sis), but wins big because she shows - herself as much as anyone - what she's capable of when she tries. And she gets her doubts about the benefits of a romantic life confirmed. Just try telling her about how having a man relieves stress now, Dilly-poo.
Optimus Kate wrote:I go on vacation for one week and come back and find all these people defending Dillon! When did this happen?? Where did you all come from??? Why did no one text me?!!
The authors made Dillon sympathetic by using the oldest trick in the book; they brought in someone worse.

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Re: 20-06-14 What kind of boyfriend are you

Post by JTheCreator » Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:44 am

I don't know when this whole, "Is Angel a boy or girl" thing started, but I decided to search for examples that clearly state his gender. I know the author(s) likes to play the pronoun game with Angel, but in the two examples below, neither character is corrected in their "assumption" of gender.

http://www.stickydillybuns.com/strips-sdb/make_it_clear Panel 1

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Re: 20-06-14 What kind of boyfriend are you

Post by Spidrift » Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:43 am

Schmorgluck wrote:
Spidrift wrote:Dillon is Dillon. Ruby, on the other hand, is awesome. Never mind Jerzy; she is far better than Dillon deserves.
And I quite agree. She pulls an awesome feat of tactically sound quick-thinking.
Note that it's not so much that what she did was smart - "Back off, I saw her first" is the oldest line in the book in this situation, and Ruby could have swiped it from any number of movies and TV shows - as that she did it at all. That move required confidence, poise, and a little bit of physical courage - not things we expect from Ruby. But... She's serious about doing the right thing.
JTheCreator wrote:I don't know when this whole, "Is Angel a boy or girl" thing started, but I decided to search for examples that clearly state his gender. I know the author(s) likes to play the pronoun game with Angel, but in the two examples below, neither character is corrected in their "assumption" of gender.
It started when Angel walked into a women's toilet, and people started tracking past dialogue back. And the lack of corrections, in those and other strips, is certainly odd, if Angel is a woman, but it can be explained at a pinch by the other characters being lazy, and more importantly, by Angel clearly wanting to play the ambiguity game, and his former and current friends habitually respecting that.

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Re: 20-06-14 What kind of boyfriend are you

Post by Bambikles » Sat Jun 21, 2014 11:00 am

cellabella wrote:
Bambikles wrote: You don't get it at all. People are annoyed at Dillon because he's CAMP and that mortal sin shall not and will not be forgiven. EVER.
Even worse, he's CAMP GAY, which is a type of character many people, rightly or wrongly, hope to never see again because they find it old, clichéd, overplayed, when not downright demeaning. 8-|
That's how I see things. Of course I can be mistaken.
Sorry to be a killjoy, but again my experiences on this forum have taught me not to assume things. So sorry in advance to come off as a killjoy if you're being facetious. If it's true that Dillon's perceived campiness is something that turns people off, then I'm not sure how to respond to that. Different strokes, I guess.

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Of course I was being facetious. :p
But sometimes, really, I wonder how much Dillon stereotypeness puts people off.

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Re: 20-06-14 What kind of boyfriend are you

Post by TwoWayStar » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:10 pm

Oh dear so many posts! I was only gone for a day! xD
Spidrift wrote:
TwoWayStar wrote:Also...it seems there's an abundance of almost white-knighting for Ruby. As though she is a delicate flower who wilts at the first sign of some trouble. For example, about finding out about Zii and Amber..some reacted like she was going to cry or break or something. I dunno she seems like she's a trooper to me! I admire her a lot honestly.
I've always assumed that Ruby had to have a tough core to put up with what she has. (All else aside, she went through about seven years of stuff she hated, when three sentences to her parents would have relieved the pressure, just because it seemed like the right thing to do.) But the writers sometimes compromise her strength or intelligence for the sake of a joke, so they don't look entirely reliable.
Hmm, tbh I don't feel the writers compromise her strength at all! She gets a shock and she's momentarily stunned..then she takes a breath and keeps going. Otherwise we might've seen her in her room with her knees to her chest staring angrily at nothing or something. She can roll with the punches with the best of them, DESPITE her upbringing. That to me? Total core strength!
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TwoWayStar wrote: Also...it seems there's an abundance of almost white-knighting for Ruby. As though she is a delicate flower who wilts at the first sign of some trouble. For example, about finding out about Zii and Amber..some reacted like she was going to cry or break or something. I dunno she seems like she's a trooper to me! I admire her a lot honestly.
I think that Ruby lived something of a sheltered life, and not entirely by choice. Zii said early in the Ma3 comic that Amber's parents were wealthy doctors. When their eldest went into porn, I can imagine that Ruby got a lot of helicopter parenting and coddling. This is the first time she's living out on her own and there is a lot of stuff she legit doesn't know or understand. Also, prior to finding out what Amber did for a living, she probably wanted to be around her big sister and felt excluded when Amber shut her out. I don't know the age difference, but it doesn't seem that vast, and so that had to hurt. I think that SDB will see Ruby toughening up a lot and gaining a lot of real world experience. I find it somewhat strange, too, that Amber has sort of left Ruby to fend for herself. I get that they aren't close, but Dillon has almost entirely stepped into the role of Ruby's mentor and Amber seems to be just ... there.
Now that you mention it, it is really strange that she's literally living with her sister and yet we've seen her interact with her barely at all! You're right, Dillon has totally stepped in to help her out (in his own way granted) but Amber is still just tra-la-la-ing doing whatever..including still trying to sleep with Gary. She also seems to completely not understand her sister, which I could forgive, but she also...seems to not try to understand Ruby more. Just goes "Yeesh my sis is uptight" the end.

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Post by chupacabra555 » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:40 pm

Ah, man... does Dillon ever think before speaking?
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Post by Hurbster » Sat Jun 21, 2014 2:00 pm

I think the idiot ball got passed around so quickly in this strip they burst it.
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Post by Gholateg » Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:04 pm

Fluffy wrote:Nah, dude - you're agreeing with someone else. I think Jerzy did the best he could making it clear to Angel - without being a dick about it - that he's not interested in having anything with her again, while repeatedly making it clear to Dillon that he's faithful to him. If repeatedly turning Angel down doesn't convince Angel and Dillon that Jerzy isn't sexually interested in his ex, nothing will.

And how is Angel a stalker? She's not following Jerzy around/keeping tabs in him (that's Dillon). Angel is more someone living in denial that things are over between her and Jerzy. Hell, you really can't call her manipulative - seeing as she has never lied to Jerzy, or spun the truth in her favor.
See, I'm disagreeing with this. Angel has tried *repeatedly* to get into Jerzy's pants. it's his default whenever Jerzy shows up. Jerzy just can't break away from Angel for.. some reason as yet unknown. I'm not saying Jerzy is a bad person for it, but he *IS* walking the line between "Trust me, I'm not going to fuck him" and "I still love him, but the relationship was too rocky to work."

See, He's fully the hell aware of Angel's pinning for his fjord. And yet, he *STILL* says things like "I'll always be there for you, you're the most important person in my life."

That's a mixed message, leaning *heavily* towards "we'll bang again one day" to someone like Angel. Now, I'm not saying he should be thinking like that about Dillion, they're not that far along in any sense of the word, but you do NOT say shit like that to someone who still wants your big spoon and who *SCREWS YOUR RELATIONSHIPS UP.*

And you can tell Angel *has* screwed up his relationships in the past because Jerzy is instantly distrustful of the things Angel says about Dilion and the pet store. Friends don't default to thinking other friends are lying about SO's unless they've done it before.

So either Jerzy isn't really over Angel, loves the attention Angel gives him, or is so completely oblivious as to Angel's intentions to lick him like a lollipop that I'm surprised Jerzy can get past his door to the outside world. And if he *IS* being truthful about where he wants Angel to be (firmly as a friend, and nothing more) he is doing a piss poor job of shutting Angel's grabass down.

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Post by Fluffy » Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:58 pm

And in the following strip, Jerzy made it clear that Angel is a friend he's got deep roots with (they've been friends for a very long time) and she's not someone he can just throw away, just because Dillon doesn't approve of her.

And no idea where you're getting the idea that by remaining friends with Angel, despite knowing she still wants him in a more physical relationship, means Jerzy is giving her false hope. (if he was encouraging her behavior, maybe I could see it - but when he gently turns her down every time she makes a hint at such things? Not so much).

Does a guy need to be aggressive when saying no in order for people to think he's being serious? Not all guys are like that.

And Angel has not screwed up Jerzy and Dillon's relationship by any stretch. No lie, she has tried (by telling Jerzy what she had witnessed) - but failed, because Jerzy refused to listen to her, each and every time. The relationship became screwed up because Dillon could not trust the fact that his boyfriend can remain friends with an ex without there being any cheating going on behind his back. He was caught spying on him, accused Jerzy outright of cheating on him (with no evidence to support his theory outside of hearing Jerzy mentioning how important Angel was to him) and vocally agreed that Jerzy was not the man for him.

Sure, Jerzy should have been honest about his plans for the evening (but then, how would Dillon have responded if Jerzy was completely honest? Bitch ranting and guilt tripping, I would guess) - but overall, their relationship was largely ruined by Dillon's trust issues.
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Post by JTheCreator » Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:23 pm

Spidrift wrote:
Schmorgluck wrote:
Spidrift wrote:Dillon is Dillon. Ruby, on the other hand, is awesome. Never mind Jerzy; she is far better than Dillon deserves.
And I quite agree. She pulls an awesome feat of tactically sound quick-thinking.
Note that it's not so much that what she did was smart - "Back off, I saw her first" is the oldest line in the book in this situation, and Ruby could have swiped it from any number of movies and TV shows - as that she did it at all. That move required confidence, poise, and a little bit of physical courage - not things we expect from Ruby. But... She's serious about doing the right thing.
JTheCreator wrote:I don't know when this whole, "Is Angel a boy or girl" thing started, but I decided to search for examples that clearly state his gender. I know the author(s) likes to play the pronoun game with Angel, but in the two examples below, neither character is corrected in their "assumption" of gender.
It started when Angel walked into a women's toilet, and people started tracking past dialogue back. And the lack of corrections, in those and other strips, is certainly odd, if Angel is a woman, but it can be explained at a pinch by the other characters being lazy, and more importantly, by Angel clearly wanting to play the ambiguity game, and his former and current friends habitually respecting that.

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I hardly see that as him being a girl given the circumstances. Ever been to a club where people are practically vomiting in line waiting for the bathroom?
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Post by Spidrift » Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:00 pm

TwoWayStar wrote:Hmm, tbh I don't feel the writers compromise her strength at all! She gets a shock and she's momentarily stunned..then she takes a breath and keeps going. Otherwise we might've seen her in her room with her knees to her chest staring angrily at nothing or something. She can roll with the punches with the best of them, DESPITE her upbringing. That to me? Total core strength!
She let Dillon get away with saying that she screws around like a porn star. She keeps giving in to Dillon's requests when he turns on the waterworks. She let herself be bounced into dates with Andy - twice. She froze up for an extended period at the idea of a kiss. And she ran away when Amber showed up at the club, despite realising that she had no reason to do so.

A lot of this comes down to her not taking actions that block the plot - but that's the point. Making her a comedy character compromises the idea of her as a strong character.
TwoWayStar wrote:Now that you mention it, it is really strange that she's literally living with her sister and yet we've seen her interact with her barely at all! You're right, Dillon has totally stepped in to help her out (in his own way granted) but Amber is still just tra-la-la-ing doing whatever..including still trying to sleep with Gary. She also seems to completely not understand her sister, which I could forgive, but she also...seems to not try to understand Ruby more. Just goes "Yeesh my sis is uptight" the end.
Partly, this is just because it's Dillon's comic. If anyone is going to interact with Ruby and trigger her character development, it's him. But I see two other things there.

First, Ruby doesn't actually like Amber very much at all. That's understandable - Amber bollixed up Ruby's adolescence, and then their parents bollixed up the way they talked about Amber to Ruby. So Ruby is especially spiky and noticeably more aggressive towards Amber than towards other people (such as Dillon). She doesn't let her guard down much, Amber hasn't found any way round that and may have almost given up trying (though she came close with the dress scene), and it's left to Dillon to talk to Ruby.

But also, Amber just doesn't understand Ruby. It looks to me like Ruby felt a bit intimidated by her pretty big sister, then found that she was smarter, and used this to make Amber feel a bit stupid. Then Amber left home, went into the porn business, and came out with a really weird, warped view of normal human relations - which has no space at all for an introverted, cerebral virgin. To Amber, Ruby might as well come from Mars. So if Amber tries talking to Ruby, she's likely to end up talking, effectively, nonsense, and feeling stupid and useless when Ruby tells her so. So she gives up trying.

Whereas Dillon is always trying.
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I hardly see that as him being a girl given the circumstances. Ever been to a club where people are practically vomiting in line waiting for the bathroom?
But why would the authors bother showing us such a thing, except to make some kind of point?

Sure, on its own, that could just be a moment of pointless random weirdness. But throw in all the other stuff - the pronouns, Jerzy's hints about his sexual history, the chokers and scarves - and, well, once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, but four times is authorial action.
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Re: 20-06-14 What kind of boyfriend are you

Post by JTheCreator » Sat Jun 21, 2014 9:11 pm

Every character refers to Angel as a "he", even Ruby.

Just let it go... :P
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