30-01-2015 [VC] The Series Finale

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Re: 30-01-2015 [VC] The Series Finale

Post by Tython » Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:06 am

Seems the facebook group still doesn't understand how they royally screwed over the comic.

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Re: 30-01-2015 [VC] The Series Finale

Post by The Omnipotent One » Sun Feb 01, 2015 4:47 am

Tython wrote:Seems the facebook group still doesn't understand how they royally screwed over the comic.
People normally aren't willing to admit they are at fault, especially people on the Internet. Hubris, such a unforgiving and distasteful aspect of humanity in my personal opinion. But then again it's one of the things that makes us human to begin with.

If I have to post another scolding to those asses, I'm gonna give up on trying to make it clear that it is their own fault
We sealed him not out of fear of what he was, but out of fear of what he could do. So much power and knowledge at his disposal...he could destroy all of existence and remake it instantaneously

With his soul and energy torn from his flesh, it took little effort to contain him. We made his prison on to a burning planet, an world unfit for life. Even when the seals are unlocked, no vessel will be there for him to take

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Upon his resurrection the Universe will burn



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Re: 30-01-2015 [VC] The Series Finale

Post by washu » Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:44 am

thank you Adam and Mike and all the other people you had working on the comic. it was a fun read and i looked forward to every page. i'll try and keep tabs on two and check out your next project.

for you readers out there, here is a few comic to keep you occupied in the mean time.

Rise from Ashes, a somewhat dark children's tale for adults from the creator of Hollow Fields. same one in my sig. haha
Kiwi Blitx. light heart'd mech fun in the near future. depicts emerging AI well.
Bladebunny. action packed and hilarious. just make sure you start at the beginning because the comic is now ended and the pages you see are just filler
GunnerKrigg Court. well crafted stories of myth and magic based on pagan lore.
Dresden Codak. well drawn ,trans-humanist, and intellectual.
Two GaG. psychopathic fun!
Rise from Ashes. a new webcomic by Madeleine Rosca, author of Hollow Fields.

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Re: 30-01-2015 [VC] The Series Finale

Post by The Omnipotent One » Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:54 am

I too have a webcomic to suggest, didn't know it was allowed

Amya Chronicles is engaging, funny, tense, and based off a continuing D&D campaign :D All in all, my kind of comic
We sealed him not out of fear of what he was, but out of fear of what he could do. So much power and knowledge at his disposal...he could destroy all of existence and remake it instantaneously

With his soul and energy torn from his flesh, it took little effort to contain him. We made his prison on to a burning planet, an world unfit for life. Even when the seals are unlocked, no vessel will be there for him to take

A rift in the Cosmos mark his return
Upon his resurrection the Universe will burn



— excerpts from the Scrolls of Ancients' Time

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Re: 30-01-2015 [VC] The Series Finale

Post by Mackus » Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:31 am

Tython wrote:Seems the facebook group still doesn't understand how they royally screwed over the comic.
How DID they exactly screw it over? I ask, because I visited in only once, but did they somehow broke into artists house and broke their kneecaps? Because if all they did was trolling, I doubt it was majority, or even tenth of posters. How does it ruin comic? Do artists give up on their work, because small, loud percentage of fanbase are assholes? Then no comic would last more that few pages...

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Re: 30-01-2015 [VC] The Series Finale

Post by Tython » Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:49 am

Check out the previous thread and read some of Adams quotes.

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Re: 30-01-2015 [VC] The Series Finale

Post by Tako » Sun Feb 01, 2015 11:08 am

The Omnipotent One wrote:
Tako wrote:Reread my post. I said that nobody is like Gen Urobuchi and that Gen Urobuchi's Puella Magi Madoka was bleaker than anything.

I only mentioned GRRM when I said that Gen Urobuchi eats four GRRMartins per day, which shows how much more terrible than GRRM is Gen Urobuchi. And yes, I used GRRM to compare with Gen because he's a popular figure that most people will know about. The point is to express how bleak is Gen's work by using another popular figure (GRRM) as a measuring stick.

But anyways, Gen Urobuchi probably isn't a good comparation to Adam. Gen's work is bleak while Adam's is usually optimistic, and Gen not always trolls the fans in the end.
I don't remember much from Gen's work, but I will say this: Martin created a world where happiness is scarce and short-lived. The world has winters that are harsh and last years, some even decades or even lifetimes. When summer comes, it can last years or months. I always laugh when people get upset about the terrible things that happen to the characters in his stories because I know that unless a character is willing to kill, deceive, betray, and take/give a bribe, they won't last. When you remove the fantasy element, that is effectively realistic. Martin made his characters human, and humans are pretty shitty. Sure we have grown more morally conscience, but it's the people who are willing to do anything that hold power. Don't believe me? Vladimir Putin. Bashar al-Assad. Any American politician, especially those who have been saying "we should kill all the Muslims". The fact that those who are moral are NOT in charge says something in my opinion, and anyone who can make a world that says the very same thing earns my thumbs up
Gen Urobuchi created a story in which...

...an alien race, having discovered that magic exists, but being unable to use it themselves, came to Earth in order to dupe naive children into becoming living magic batteries for them. They disguise themselves as cute talking pets, offer little girls to become Magical Girls in exchange for a single wish (wish that usually backfires).

The mission of the Magical Girls is to fight the Witches, evil magical beings who feed on human souls. The catch is, the more they use their magic, the more corrupted their souls become, until they are transformed into witches themselves.

The only way to stave the transformation is to kill witches and give their souls to the aliens. So the aliens turn little girls into monsters, and later make other little girls kill them and offer their souls, and that other little girls do it only to slow down the process that will turn them into witches that will in turn be killed and have their souls removed...etc.

It's as if the humans were cattle for the aliens, but the aliens make their cattle butcher and process each other in exchange for living a bit longer.


And worst of all, the story is initially presented as a funny, silly story about japanese schoolgirls becoming Magical Girls with cute talking pets. Compared to that, A Song Of Ice and Fire is all fun and giggles. That's why I said that Gen Urobuchi is much worse than GRRM.

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Re: 30-01-2015 [VC] The Series Finale

Post by Mackus » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:19 pm

Tython wrote:Check out the previous thread and read some of Adams quotes.
I just did. Still don't get it.
FB community whined about PMS overtaking VC.
Why couldn't they be just ignored? Why taking them into consideration at all was necessary, if comic quality suffered because of them, possibly driving away nicer fans, who disliked changes? Especially since this forum seemed in opposition to FB group.

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Re: 30-01-2015 [VC] The Series Finale

Post by Tython » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:25 pm

From what I can tell the FB group was larger and gave more hits to the site, more hits equals more money from ad revenue if the facebook group was up and leaving the comic that meant fewer hits and thus less ad revenue for the comic to operate with. So Adam was forced to make the changes that he described in the previous post.

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Re: 30-01-2015 [VC] The Series Finale

Post by vampire hunter D » Sun Feb 01, 2015 12:30 pm

Facebook, ruining the interwebs since 2004.
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Re: 30-01-2015 [VC] The Series Finale

Post by The Omnipotent One » Sun Feb 01, 2015 9:58 pm

Tako wrote:And worst of all, the story is initially presented as a funny, silly story about japanese schoolgirls becoming Magical Girls with cute talking pets. Compared to that, A Song Of Ice and Fire is all fun and giggles. That's why I said that Gen Urobuchi is much worse than GRRM.
While I agree that shifting the atmosphere of a show from positive to negative is evil, it doesn't exactly make something better than something else. In my personal opinion, the weight of something is measured by the dedication from its creator. Gen Urobuchi used the reality we know as a basis for his story with an addition of science-fiction. Martin created an entire world with its own history and cultures using history as a basis. There is a reason why people praise JRR Tolkien a lot and it's not because of how good his work is; rather it's that he dedicated a lot of time to make an entire language for his stories. When I go into an anime or a manga, I determine what is being shown to me: a created world, a alternate timeline, an adventure in the cosmos. I doubt most people are willing to go the extra 100,000 miles that many respected authors take when they make up a story. The reason the Star Wars Extended Universe has been declared null and void is because it was devised by people who were not George Lucas, thus what was once thought to be the definitive history of his creation is in actuality not. Whatever Lucas had his hand in is what is canon.
As much as I hate Avatar I will admit that it was clever to create a language and culture that most likely was only going to be used once. If I am measuring the greatness of literature, I try to find out how dedicated the creator was when they started the project. In my personal opinion, few can measure up to Tolkien. Martin could have come close if he had determined how long his series was really going to be, as he initially meant it to be a trilogy. Now, he says it might be eleven books. The guy can't figure out when he will end his series, despite knowing how he'll end it.
I'm not trying to change your opinion, if that's the vibe I'm sending out. I'm trying to tell you that greatness is measured in so many ways it's hard to tell what is truly greater than something else. There's a reason why wars have been fought solely on religious purposes. To me, greatness in literature is measured by how many years an author dedicated to creating the story.

A Song of Ice and Fire may be fun and giggles to you, but as it is essentially a reflection of pre-Renaissance Europe, it shows just how shitty the world once was.
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We sealed him not out of fear of what he was, but out of fear of what he could do. So much power and knowledge at his disposal...he could destroy all of existence and remake it instantaneously

With his soul and energy torn from his flesh, it took little effort to contain him. We made his prison on to a burning planet, an world unfit for life. Even when the seals are unlocked, no vessel will be there for him to take

A rift in the Cosmos mark his return
Upon his resurrection the Universe will burn



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Re: 30-01-2015 [VC] The Series Finale

Post by The Omnipotent One » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:01 pm

vampire hunter D wrote:Facebook, ruining the interwebs since 2004.
Zuckerberg, trolling the globe since college
We sealed him not out of fear of what he was, but out of fear of what he could do. So much power and knowledge at his disposal...he could destroy all of existence and remake it instantaneously

With his soul and energy torn from his flesh, it took little effort to contain him. We made his prison on to a burning planet, an world unfit for life. Even when the seals are unlocked, no vessel will be there for him to take

A rift in the Cosmos mark his return
Upon his resurrection the Universe will burn



— excerpts from the Scrolls of Ancients' Time

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Re: 30-01-2015 [VC] The Series Finale

Post by Lerianis » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:02 pm

Tako wrote:...an alien race, having discovered that magic exists, but being unable to use it themselves, came to Earth in order to dupe naive children into becoming living magic batteries for them. They disguise themselves as cute talking pets, offer little girls to become Magical Girls in exchange for a single wish (wish that usually backfires).

The mission of the Magical Girls is to fight the Witches, evil magical beings who feed on human souls. The catch is, the more they use their magic, the more corrupted their souls become, until they are transformed into witches themselves.

The only way to stave the transformation is to kill witches and give their souls to the aliens. So the aliens turn little girls into monsters, and later make other little girls kill them and offer their souls, and that other little girls do it only to slow down the process that will turn them into witches that will in turn be killed and have their souls removed...etc.

It's as if the humans were cattle for the aliens, but the aliens make their cattle butcher and process each other in exchange for living a bit longer.


And worst of all, the story is initially presented as a funny, silly story about japanese schoolgirls becoming Magical Girls with cute talking pets. Compared to that, A Song Of Ice and Fire is all fun and giggles. That's why I said that Gen Urobuchi is much worse than GRRM.
Yeah, when you put it that way, Puella Magi does not make sense in the real world. First of all, I seriously doubt that in the real world, a super-advanced race would just not be able to use 'magic' full-stop or that magic would be the only solution to their issues
Gen has some serious problem in his psychology and he has been called out on that and just says "Hey, deal with it!"... which is his right to do, I guess.
Doesn't make his stuff any less crappy or fail-fodder in my opinion.

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Re: 30-01-2015 [VC] The Series Finale

Post by Mackus » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:33 pm

Tython wrote:From what I can tell the FB group was larger and gave more hits to the site, more hits equals more money from ad revenue if the facebook group was up and leaving the comic that meant fewer hits and thus less ad revenue for the comic to operate with. So Adam was forced to make the changes that he described in the previous post.
But didn't Adam also said, that FB group "wasn't exactly lucrative"? (viewtopic.php?f=72&t=15987&p=537359#p537359)
Oh well. Nevermind. Too late to change the past anyway.

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Re: 30-01-2015 [VC] The Series Finale

Post by vampire hunter D » Sun Feb 01, 2015 10:41 pm

Maybe not. I'lltry harder to get mt DeLorean fixed :P
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