Free speech in Australia.

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Re: Free speech in Australia.

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Harlock_the_Bard wrote: OK, I forgot about our own eugenics movement, but there's a world of difference between 65 thousand people "simply" being sterilized and 10 million people being systematically exterminated. Again, I'm not trying to pretty up the American eugenics movement, but I don't think even the most avid of them would have approved of wholesale slaughter. Their goal, arguably laudable despite their twisted ethics, was the betterment of the human race. The extermination of millions of people whose only "crime" was being born different is not a betterment of the human race, it is a defilement of the human spirit. And yes, I believe that applies to war as well.

For that matter, do you have any evidence that Davenport experimented on human beings?

And I would point out that at least part of the Nazi philosophy was homegrown: Friedrich Nietzsche's "Mensch und Uebermensch" had a rather strong impact on them, by all accounts. (That's "Man and Superman," for those of you who don't speak German) And, in point of fact, the comic book character "Superman" was created at least in part to mock the (by 1938, quite well known) Nazi pretensions at building a superman. The name was definitely a direct jab, if not the abilities, relatively modest though they were at first (even the Nazis didn't think their program would build someone who could bounce bullets, after all)
I didn't say the USA exterminated millions of people in death camps. I said:
World War Two gives us another example. Kids are taught the evils of Germany and Germans, and all the awful things they did. But they are rarely taught that the Allied forces in WW2 did many of the same things. Or that the NAZIs actually learned some of their tricks from the Allies in the first place.
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Re: Free speech in Australia.

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Scaramouche wrote:
Harlock_the_Bard wrote: OK, I forgot about our own eugenics movement, but there's a world of difference between 65 thousand people "simply" being sterilized and 10 million people being systematically exterminated. Again, I'm not trying to pretty up the American eugenics movement, but I don't think even the most avid of them would have approved of wholesale slaughter. Their goal, arguably laudable despite their twisted ethics, was the betterment of the human race. The extermination of millions of people whose only "crime" was being born different is not a betterment of the human race, it is a defilement of the human spirit. And yes, I believe that applies to war as well.
I didn't say the USA exterminated millions of people in death camps. I said:
World War Two gives us another example. Kids are taught the evils of Germany and Germans, and all the awful things they did. But they are rarely taught that the Allied forces in WW2 did many of the same things. Or that the NAZIs actually learned some of their tricks from the Allies in the first place.
Kindly let go of that red herring, sir or madam. I never said the USA exterminated millions of people in death camps, nor did I say that you had said that. The point I was trying to make is that comparing the eugenics movement to the "Final Solution" is like comparing a puppy to a kodiak bear: there may be some similarity in form and function (both are quadrupedal mammalian omnivores), but the similarities are superficial at best if one looks closely.

And now, since (1) I believe we've both made our points as best we could, (2) this has pretty much nothing to do with the official topic of the thread, and (3) Godwin's law probably should have been invoked by now, I shan't be posting to this thread any more.

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Re: Free speech in Australia.

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Harlock_the_Bard wrote:And now, since (1) I believe we've both made our points as best we could, (2) this has pretty much nothing to do with the official topic of the thread, and (3) Godwin's law probably should have been invoked by now, I shan't be posting to this thread any more.
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Re: Free speech in Australia.

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Harlock_the_Bard wrote: Kindly let go of that red herring, sir or madam. I never said the USA exterminated millions of people in death camps, nor did I say that you had said that. The point I was trying to make is that comparing the eugenics movement to the "Final Solution" is like comparing a puppy to a kodiak bear: there may be some similarity in form and function (both are quadrupedal mammalian omnivores), but the similarities are superficial at best if one looks closely.

And now, since (1) I believe we've both made our points as best we could, (2) this has pretty much nothing to do with the official topic of the thread, and (3) Godwin's law probably should have been invoked by now, I shan't be posting to this thread any more.
1. That's not what a red herring is.

2. I didn't make the comparison you suggest. Anywhere.
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What he was doing was stating how that Movement inspired the other, much worse, one.

reading a mein k. definately made me worried about how he much he put the US in a positive light concerning their imigration policies and..social behaviours and systems.
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Re: Free speech in Australia.

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J. D. "Illiad" Fraser's wonderful "User Friendly" take on the original topic:

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20081109

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Re: Free speech in Australia.

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Don Alexander wrote:J. D. "Illiad" Fraser's wonderful "User Friendly" take on the original topic:

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20081109

:lol:
That is quite possibly the most epic thing I have ever seen.

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