21-01-10 Want some breakfast?

[Bear]

*Breaks out the Bad Pun Stick*

[Michael Ezra]

I came to this strip, like many readers I'm sure, via Penny & Aggie. And though it took me a few storylines to do so, I realized and made peace with the fact that this isn't Penny & Aggie, nor indeed any sort of comic focused on serious plots or deep character development, and never will be. And that that was okay, because it meant I could just relax and enjoy the funny gags and the boobs without putting any emotional investment into the characters nor what happens to them. I'm just here for the humour and fanservice. I don't care all that much whether Gary ever gets laid, or whether Zii ever win's DiDi's heart (among other attributes). They're not well-rounded, lifelike characters in remotely realistic situations, nor are they meant to be. In contrast, I care very much whether Penny and Aggie find true love (whether with each other or with someone else), or whether Michelle, Jack and Helen overcome their self-esteem issues. That's because they are well-rounded, lifelike characters in realistic situations, and are meant to be.

In fact, it's quite possible that if Dave and Giz did try to take Mà3 in a more serious direction, having Zii become mature and responsible, DiDi exploring whether it may be partially her fault she's never had a satisfying lovemaking experience, or Dillon examining his presumptuous and manipulative behaviour around men...it's quite possible that it would no longer be Mà3 as such, that what's attracted so many readers, even those with criticisms, would be lost. Just as if T Campbell decided to move all the P&A cast past legal age and turn it into a zany, angst-less softcore sex farce, it'd no longer be P&A for all purposes.

That said, I do feel people should be free to criticize this comic without modly repercussions, as long as they refrain from gratuitous vulgarity or personal attacks on the creators or other forum members.

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Selfish Zii again.
"Hey, I know your girlfriend isn't awake, but I'm going to diddle you anyway because my needs are most important."

Dude, she already slept with him in front of his girlfriend(while she participated). Why would it be wrong? Also, given the fact that Zii has had quite a few threesomes in her lifetime I'd assume this was normal behaviour. (wouldn't know, never had a threesome). Sonya is the one acting up here.

Being an experienced menage a 3 participant, Zii should understand the rules. Especially when she is the third wheel in an existing relationship. And that rule is that you don't mess with one partner without first consenting with the other. It breaks the trust of their relationship (Sonya & Boyfriend). Without Sonya participating, now it is not a menage a 3 but rather it is cheating. I don't expect the boyfriend to know this as this is a new experience, but Zii should know better.

Exactly. Just because a child was allowed to take one cookie, doesn't mean it can take more cookies without asking again! Zii should have known that. She probably did know it, but just doesn't care. Just like she doesn't care about anyone else except herself.

I feel like the usual criticism of the hedonistic sex plot is actually very, very wrong for this panel (and it may be a sign that the complaints are being noted.) I feel that this panel is leading up to some minor soul-searching on Zii's part.

I'm not so sure. People keep saying that Zii is now going to realize her actions have consequences, but notice they didn't have any real consequences to her. She got her threesome, and extra sex, with people she just met, so I don't know if she's really going to feel like it's a bad consequence that she got thrown out in the morning.

There will be no soul searching after that. She didn't do it after Yuki went bonkers! The horrible consequences of her ridiculous assumption that Yuki wants groupsex didn't lead to soul searching, so why should she just because two random people she met the day before have a fight now.

[Kolenka]

Selfish Zii again.
"Hey, I know your girlfriend isn't awake, but I'm going to diddle you anyway because my needs are most important."

Dude, she already slept with him in front of his girlfriend(while she participated). Why would it be wrong? Also, given the fact that Zii has had quite a few threesomes in her lifetime I'd assume this was normal behaviour. (wouldn't know, never had a threesome). Sonya is the one acting up here.

Being an experienced menage a 3 participant, Zii should understand the rules. Especially when she is the third wheel in an existing relationship. And that rule is that you don't mess with one partner without first consenting with the other. It breaks the trust of their relationship (Sonya & Boyfriend). Without Sonya participating, now it is not a menage a 3 but rather it is cheating. I don't expect the boyfriend to know this as this is a new experience, but Zii should know better.

Zii may understand the rules, but I've yet to see her actually follow any. And this incident is pretty messed up, and I don't think anyone involved is completely blameless:

- Zii should have known when to back off the BF.
- Sonya shouldn't have been bonking Zii before-hand.
- The BF, blissfully unaware that Sonya was bonking Zii before-hand should have known when to back off Zii as well.

This is pretty much "How to damage a relationship, 101" stuff that they all did. Personally, knowing that Sonya and Zii were bonking beforehand makes me think that Sonya is being a hypocrite here. If I was in the BF's shoes, with his knowledge, I probably would have backed off afterwards. Although, if I had the knowledge of what Sonya had done? Not so much... I honestly am not sure if I would hold back or not, but the feeling of being slightly wronged would definitely make it all that more tempting.

[lese]

There will be no soul searching after that. She didn't do it after Yuki went bonkers! The horrible consequences of her ridiculous assumption that Yuki wants groupsex didn't lead to soul searching, so why should she just because two random people she met the day before have a fight now.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it is probably difficult to do a lot of soul-searching out of the chronology of the comic. There's really no reason that she can't learn things that she hadn't learned before- maybe she always wrote things off in the following manner: "Oh, Yuki just doesn't like men/penises, but she might be okay with a female threesome!" or "those boys don't like it with each other, okay, find more open-minded boys next time." I'm pretty sure Zii applied the lesson about Yuki- but maybe she just learned about Yuki (and decided that she's crazy.)

I mean, really, if you did something and it made someone like Yuki react badly, would you soul search? I know I wouldn't. I'd go, uh, okay, check and make sure if they're crazy first, if not, proceed. Sonya certainly seemed open enough to Zii (I don't buy that Zii manipulated her into makeouts and such- no one in the universe is that open to influence- and Zii was probably fine in assuming that Sonya would be comfortable inviting her boyfriend as well. Which she was, until she realized the potential consequences.

[yudantaiteki]

Being an experienced menage a 3 participant, Zii should understand the rules. Especially when she is the third wheel in an existing relationship. And that rule is that you don't mess with one partner without first consenting with the other. It breaks the trust of their relationship (Sonya & Boyfriend). Without Sonya participating, now it is not a menage a 3 but rather it is cheating.

That might make sense except that Sonya already had sex with Zii alone before the boyfriend even arrived (and before the threesome idea was even floated).

[Suntiger]

Aww, Sonya look great when she yawns. ;)
Zii bouncing on the (currently) lucky boyfriend looks both sexy and funny and I really like the detail of the guy wearing the cat ears.
Quite a funny end to it too with Sonya going into jealous rage mode. I hope she doesn't kick his nuts.

From a more serious angle, I don't know if Zii has been in any similar situation before, but this is the first time we as readers get to see her show remorse over one of her hijinks causing trouble for her partners.
And Sonya's behaviour might be hypocritical, but as someone remarked, feelings, including of course jealousy, isn't exactly rational all the time.

And yes, there bloody well is a basic rule to a threesome if it involves a couple and a third partner: Everyone consents to participating. Otherwise it's cheating.


Btw, I'd like to point out that it's quite possible to both enjoy the fanservice and silly antics and at the same time look deeper on the plot/characters and with a more serious attitude. ;)

[David Johnston]

Selfish Zii again.
"Hey, I know your girlfriend isn't awake, but I'm going to diddle you anyway because my needs are most important."

Dude, she already slept with him in front of his girlfriend(while she participated). Why would it be wrong? Also, given the fact that Zii has had quite a few threesomes in her lifetime I'd assume this was normal behaviour. (wouldn't know, never had a threesome). Sonya is the one acting up here.

Here's how it looks through Sonia's eyes:

1. I am a heterosexual who happens to be enjoying an encounter with a girl. If it's good enough for Katie Perry, it's good enough for me.

2. I was not cheating on my boyfriend, because it would only be cheating to sleep with another guy. Seeing as how I'm heterosexual.

3. My boyfriend isn't cheating on me in this threesome because he is still having sex with me.

4. My boyfriend IS cheating on me when he has sex (with a girl, because my boyfriend is heterosexual) without my active or passive participation.

As for Zii...if there's an etiquette, she doesn't know what it is. We've seen her in four multiple-partner situations, and three of of them turned out badly with hard feelings while we never found out how coming on to the porn actors in the middle of the shoot really turned out. She wrecked her band, trashed Sophia's relationship, and drove Yuki into a psychotic break. I think it is perfectly clear that Zii has no clue how to do a three-way without hurting people.

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.....
I mean, really, if you did something and it made someone like Yuki react badly, would you soul search? I know I wouldn't. I'd go, uh, okay, check and make sure if they're crazy first, if not, proceed. Sonya certainly seemed open enough to Zii (I don't buy that Zii manipulated her into makeouts and such- no one in the universe is that open to influence- and Zii was probably fine in assuming that Sonya would be comfortable inviting her boyfriend as well. Which she was, until she realized the potential consequences.

Yes, I would! Because you don't have to make sure if they are crazy or not. You have to make sure they are ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN GROUP SEX!!!! That is what Zii never ever checked. Therefore it is completely her fault! Sadly the comic never explains how Zii came to the braindead, retarded idea that Yuki wants group sex. And she should have explored her guilt.

Zii lied outright to Sonya. Lying is manipulation!
There are extremely stupid people out there. How else do you explain that some people in Africa actually believe sex with a virgin heals AIDS?

[Tenjen]

Yuki isnt against group sex.

She's against penis's.

*****

but i see your point.

ZII IS WORSE THAN HITLER!

[kudo's to those who know what i did here]

[Don Alexander]

Tenjen, is that your attempt at mod-lock?

[Tenjen]

P&A reference :3

[Kamino Neko]

Same one I made in the thread for the previous strip.

[Tenjen]

it was done?

damn ive been waiting ages for an oppurtunity to do it :3

[Kamino Neko]

Yep. Sorry. Beat you to it.

*strikes victory pose*