SDB 27-11-18 What I was really asking

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Re: SDB 27-11-18 What I was really asking

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Okay so Andy was just acting dense/dumb.

And someone is going to come barreling through the door and interrupt them or they will interrupt themselves because neither Ruby or Andy brought a condom. Even if it is revealed that Andy is a virgin too they'd still want to use a condom to prevent an unwanted pregnancy.

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Re: SDB 27-11-18 What I was really asking

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To be fair though, Ruby's clinical approach might also need to be refined for her pleasure too. Initial discomfort on entry and required levels of lubrication (natural or otherwise) being top of the list. She has a tendency to freeze like a deer in headlights when out of her comfort zone. I am hoping that the two of them can fumble well enough to keep trying, especially using her book smarts and his desire to make sure he can please her.
What's so White Anglo-Saxon Protestant about Andy's behaviour? He's actually behaving like a stereotyped Good Catholic Boy.
Thanks for the correction, @Spidrift. I don't have enough Catholics in my life to compare.

As to the backroom, while I agree it is too comedic to not shag there I still feel it is not safe or secure enough. Will her friends be ashamed of her? Hells no. It's just not as realistically comfortable or blanket-easily censorable to draw. But whatever - let's get it on.
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Re: SDB 27-11-18 What I was really asking

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well, he isn't wrong, somebody has to start getting naked first

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I'm thinking Ruby and Andy will want to go somewhere more private (because they will be interrupted and/or won't have a condom) followed by more awkwardness then maybe they do the deed? I'm still betting that they won't go all the way. I'm also thinking this final arc in SDB will continue until the creative team goes on their holiday break so that means this comic ends in...*looks at calendar*...seven more updates?

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Re: SDB 27-11-18 What I was really asking

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worldshaking00 wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 12:57 pm
So Andy is not asexual. He is nervous about it and he deflects, feigning true stupidity. He's one hell of an actor (to not blush realizing he's in a compromising position) and has to have a low libido (at not reacting more sexually to Ruby's LBD advance), which I suppose is plausible, considering the physical closeness Dillon spent with Andy (and the implied measurements taken by his coworker Gina). He certainly seems to have a more conventional WASPy upbringing too, unless he's also using 'seeing the parents' as a literal procedural excuse to not progress forward (which also has the added benefit of reigning in Ruby's pushing him into sexual congress.) In fact, in panel 2 Andy appears to actually have his first(?) blushing moment. Was it a conscious choice on the part of the creative team to make Andy darker skinned in order to hide the blushing reaction?

So two questions for Thursday.

The stage seems to be set for the yaoi meeting room as to where they are about to disrobe and explore one another. Andy seems happy to start there. Will Ruby regain her composure, remember the advice given to her and go to a place of comfort/safety for her first time? And not just for Ruby's benefit, but for Andy's as well. Men have a more difficult time performing when under pressure. Being in a more relaxed environment after enjoying some petting and foreplay would do them both a world of good. As we've established, the comic shop back room might not be the height of comfort but it is at least somewhat safe... if understocked of necessary contraception or sexi-ware. Having everyone at the keyhole congratulating Ruby on her breakthrough has the required comedic Ma3 punchline, but will they (the writers) close the story out by a different way? I'd recommend retreating to the apartment. Dillon should have some condoms stashed, a bed is available, and doubtless the mood could be enhanced better there. Spontaneous sex has its place, no arguments there. But for these two nervous people I feel that their story would be better told under a more... conventional atmosphere after all the hijinks.

Has it been established that Andy is a virgin? He is educated enough to know the parts of a man & woman, at least from the technical aspect from having a base medical training enough to competently perform CPR as a lifeguard. He has friends and is obviously desirable by men and women alike. His feigning obtuseness means he has to know how to recognize an advance in order to calm himself down enough to not have his body give away his actual body language/involuntary reactions (e.g. not getting erect at pretty boys & girls when they 'take advantage' of him, blushing). He obviously is nervous about how well his sexual performance would be received by his partner (will he last long enough, will he please his partner, etc.). It could be taken as he was nervous about that when he thought Ruby was an ex-porn star; but in the same light it can also belie lack of experience (complete or otherwise). They've made him out to not have a romantic partner, like, ever (cousin as a prom date?) and his knee-jerk 'taking Ruby to see his parents' ruse hints at a very strict/conventional upbringing. If Andy can channel his body control into being relaxed in a sexual environment, Ruby will be able to count herself very lucky indeed at having a stallion to keep her satisfied.... saying she finds pleasure in sex and the earnest desire to continue exploring her sexual side.
I wouldn't say low libido.

Nervous. Ruby coming off as pressuring. He's a virgin too.

And he's a coward? Makes it sound like he was really in a lose lose situation. If he came off more aggressive, you'd say he was a predator.

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Re: SDB 27-11-18 What I was really asking

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worldshaking00 wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:47 am
To be fair though, Ruby's clinical approach might also need to be refined for her pleasure too.
To be fair to her, she’s not being all that clinical; yelling “Let’s do this!” is actually kind of passionate, really. And once she finds herself in a room with, and then cuddling, a naked good-looking guy, she may find that she’s quite turned on. Nor does she always freeze up under stress; okay, getting angry wouldn’t help here, but she does generally tip from paralysis to decisive action at some point.

What she and Andy have fumbled round to, the long way, in the end, is talking about their situation. Which readers of these comics tend to say is something characters don’t do enough.
TheFoolishOne wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:44 am
well, he isn't wrong, somebody has to start getting naked first
Really? I don’t know about you, but I’ve always found it perfectly possible to take clothes off at the same time as someone else in the same room.
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Incidentally, one other possibility for tomorrow: Cut to an Ma3 story.

I hope it doesn’t happen — I think that this plot thread needs at least one more strip’s worth of closure. But Giz may feel that she’s established for all practical purposes that these two are going to get it on, she doesn’t have to show the vulgar details, and she can come back to the aftermath later.
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VoxPopuli wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 3:32 pm
Chantaru wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:46 am
VoxPopuli wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:36 am
So rather than being immensely dumb, he is simply a passive-aggressive coward who can't be straight with her and would rather have her put forth all the initiative. Yeh gawds, just look for someone else, dear Ruby.
But he DOES NOT want her to put forth all the initiative. He wants her to take a chill pill. And a lot of shy people would react the way he does, by deflecting and ignoring and hoping she backs down.
Also, I know this is Ma3 but irl most people don't go from 0 to 100 in 10 minutes when losing their virginity. There are advantages to kissing, and increasingly steamier making out. Of course, that would require a different punchline.
In fact, did we ever see ppl make out in the whole comic?
brasca wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 1:07 pm
VoxPopuli wrote:
Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:36 am
So rather than being immensely dumb, he is simply a passive-aggressive coward who can't be straight with her and would rather have her put forth all the initiative. Yeh gawds, just look for someone else, dear Ruby.
Yes he’s a terrible person for not being more aggressive and genuinely nervous about having sex presumably for the first time. 8-|
Apparently im not being clear enough here. There's nothing wrong with him being shy about sex, there is nothing wrong with him being shy, period. The problem is that when it comes to talking about any and all underlying problems they have in their developing relationship, she has to constantly push him to talk about it. If he wants more space, that is completely cool, but he has to be the one to tell her, it shouldn't be dragged out of him.

I understand what it's like being shy, but that doesn't make it okay for you to consistently deflect issues and pretend not to know what the other person is talking about, in an attempt to guard your feelings.

He doesn't voice his opinion until she presses him, again and again and politely calls him out on his shit. If he has a problem he should voice it. Again, I get that he is shy, but that shyness can cause problems for others if you don't make your thoughs and feelings clear. Him being shy might make his behavious understandable, but it doesn not excuse his choices or make him exempt of responsiblity.
You called Andy a passive aggressive coward and thought it best for Ruby to look elsewhere which seems to me like you do think there's something wrong about him. This endless finger pointing here and other message boards (Dangerously Chloe) is tiresome since neither side is really right or wrong and I can relate to both. I understand that Ruby doesn't want to be like her sister since I didn't want to be like all the other horny high schoolers and put romantic entanglements on the back burner. However, the consequence of putting off romantic entanglements makes me relate to Andy because the longer you go the more concerned you are about how you'll perform and why you've been a virgin for so long. Andy isn't opposed to having sex the way Peggy's ex-fiance was about oral pleasure. He was willing to go through with it on the night that never happened, but probably relieved that Ruby called it off since he likely had anxiety about performance. Gary, another virgin, had a one-sided experience in that he enjoyed it, but Kiley barely experienced anything until round 2. Unless Andy has been schooled by Dillon what he and Ruby do next could be great for him, but disappointing for her. If so she might leave with a negative opinion and give up on any future attempts.
Spidrift wrote:
Wed Nov 28, 2018 12:55 pm
Incidentally, one other possibility for tomorrow: Cut to an Ma3 story.

I hope it doesn’t happen — I think that this plot thread needs at least one more strip’s worth of closure. But Giz may feel that she’s established for all practical purposes that these two are going to get it on, she doesn’t have to show the vulgar details, and she can come back to the aftermath later.
I don't think this story will be interrupted if at all until the beginning of next week. And what you call vulgar details others call fan service and Gisele doesn't disappoint. Perhaps with this webcomic winding down we might get treated to something we haven't seen since the glory days of Menage a 3. I'm optimistic after another nerd girl I'm fond of had a wild night out. ;)

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“Vulgar details” was of course typed in an ironic tone. Please assume by default that my voice is a Noel Coward impersonation.

I somehow doubt that Giz will break the SDB tradition of relative discretion — even this late in the day, she won’t want the grief from advertisers — though we may get some neck-up and back-view frames, especially if she wants to show how competent these two are or aren’t for first-timers. Or we may just get voices through the door, especially if they accidentally contrive to confuse the hell out of some eavesdroppers.

And I confess that I’d pay extra in the Kickstarter for some more explicit print bonus strips of whatever’s about to ensue here. But then, I do of course have a thing for Ruby.
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Re: SDB 27-11-18 What I was really asking

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So I was right about Andy knowing well what Ruby was meaning. He just needed her being more direct. And there we are.

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