SDB 13-11-18 Maybe I am okay with that

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Re: SDB 13-11-18 Maybe I am okay with that

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JackApostrophe wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 7:41 pm
You can like porn (or yaoi) and still be asexual. It's about whether YOU want to experience it yourself, not whether it makes you horny.
As a fellow ace with libido, I think EGS representation in that matter is a much closer picture to aces like us.

It's also worthy noting that many aces don't mind making sex for the sake of their partners. Some enjoy the experience, some endure for love if its not on a daily basis, some prefer to keep an open relationship so their partners can have sex with other people. Being ace is very, very nuanced.

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Re: SDB 13-11-18 Maybe I am okay with that

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Wait so she's trying to take credit when she didn't do a damn thing to help there?
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To be fair to Zii, she did help Gary... although by no means does she get the majority of the credit for his shagadelic escapades. She did correct several of his porn misconceptions (facials and anal, for instance). She helped nudge him out of the nest. She did tell him that Yuki was trouble; and while Yuki could have potentially been a final pairing for Gary (after much therapy), Zii can't really be held at fault for Yuki falling for Matt (of all people). She introduced Gary to Amber in the flesh. Having sexual encounters (even if not coitus) with one's fantasy has got to count for something when building up one's confidence. She opened doors Gary might not have had the courage to try.

Gary helped Gary, in the end. Zii had her own hormones driving her actions most of the time, and Gary just happened to be along for the ride. But she probably was the first to offer aid to his cause. Yes, Dillon and Matt and Senna and Jordan and Kiley and Peggy and Amber have helped him mature into the man he is at the end of the strip. Dillon's initial teachings of his SGR. Various kissing techniques later helped. Matt's creation of Lothario helped immensely. Arguments could be made the Yuki and Tracy and James and Sonya and others have helped him by being the types of people Gary shouldn't get advice (or hook up) with/from. Zii straddles the line between being dangerously unsuitable for Gary and being a match for him... all depending on her special circumstances. Their pairing would make an interesting "what if" should they not goink in canon (although I am not 100% sure that there was a Gary/Zii pairing in the special "what if" series of strips Giz made a few years back; I am sure @Spidrift will correct me. And a pre-thanks, sir, should you illuminate me).
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Re: SDB 13-11-18 Maybe I am okay with that

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LegendaryKroc wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:29 pm
Not to be vulgar, Dillon, but assfucking is not as common as porn makes it look, and it's definitely not as easy as porn makes it look.
Yeah but Dillon is right. Have you seen a character in Menageaverse that does not like anal? Even straight men in this comic get pegged regularly and apparently like it. Unless it's stated otherwise it seems everyone is into anal intercourse by default. :|

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samtheman wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:24 am
Spidrift wrote:
Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:14 pm
Nah. Giz and Dave are, if anything, wildly overdoing the idea of closure for every character in these comics.
Except for Kiley and Senna.
The opera ain’t over until the thin lady and the fashion model sing. We may well yet see last frames for those two. But even if we don’t — Kiley left to go back to her studies, and Senna was last seen heading off for another job while getting her oats with a cute guy. Life goes on for both of them, and they don’t have obvious loose ends or aggravating problems to resolve.
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Re: SDB 13-11-18 Maybe I am okay with that

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worldshaking00 wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:49 am
To be fair to Zii, she did help Gary... although by no means does she get the majority of the credit for his shagadelic escapades.
Yeah, it’s unfair and over-simplifying to say that Zii was no help to Gary. She just wasn’t much of the sort of help she intially offered, and which she’s offering Ruby here. As an advisor, she’s dangerously over-confident and biased by her own tastes; as moral support, she’s far too easily distracted; but as a platonic manic pixie dream girl, she was one of the people dragging Gary out of his shell and helping his confidence.

So Ruby is right to reject this offer. Zii would just try to turn her into a clone of Zii, which wouldn’t work; it’s just not Ruby’s style. And Ruby is already part-way out of her shell (partly thanks to Zii). Zii might just say something that helps Ruby complete the process and get past Andy’s obtuseness, though.
But she probably was the first to offer aid to his cause.
Actually, he said exactly that, when she first offered. While on his knees and weeping.
(although I am not 100% sure that there was a Gary/Zii pairing in the special "what if" series of strips Giz made a few years back; I am sure @Spidrift will correct me. And a pre-thanks, sir, should you illuminate me).
The print bonus “What if Gary married X?” strips included instances for Yuki (their daughter accidentally bashed Gary in the crotch, ho ho) and Zii (Zii’s birthday present to Gary was group sex with a bunch of other girls; the present she then requested for her own birthday was Gary getting boned by another guy so she could watch, ha ha). But those were very much throwaway gags, taking the characters’ stock features to extremes; Yuki hits people in the crotch, Zii is an open-minded yaoi-voyeur, Gary is always and ever the butt-monkey. I wouldn’t take them as saying very much about the likely course of canon.
UnsightlyWalrus wrote:
Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:45 am
Have you seen a character in Menageaverse that does not like anal? Even straight men in this comic get pegged regularly and apparently like it.
Actually, Gary is the only straight guy who I can recall getting regularly pegged, and it was pretty clear with him that it was a favour for Peggy that he sorta-kinda came to like or at least tolerate. Matt isn’t straight, he’s an omnisexual perv, and Gilbert was not at all comfortable with the prospect when we last saw him. Nor do many of the M-F pairs seem to engage in man-on-top anal very often, that we’ve seen, and Zii made it explicit to Gary very early on that a lot of women (probably including herself) don’t like it much. Peggy is the only woman we’ve seen offer, and that was a bit of a joke and part of her try-anything-once relationship with Gary.
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I see the Andy-Ruby relationship as a metaphor for all too many relationships I've seen, heard about or experienced, where the woman very much wants to be boned by the man, but he's clueless about it because she hints around it rather than outright states what she wants - and often the woman in question is even more subtle in her hints than Ruby has been (no little black dress, for example). The only reason sex happened is either because the man finally made a definitive move, or the woman couldn't take it anymore and just jumped him. All too often, rather than do that, she just dumped him if he didn't make a move towards sex soon enough for her liking.

So I think, if Ruby's going to get the sex she wants, she's going to have to give up being subtle and just jump Andy's bones. Or dump him for someone more clueful and aggressive.
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I suspect that she’ll more or less jump him, and he’ll congratulate her on having such a good idea, leaving her feeling that she’s been thanked for being a scarlet woman.
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