SDB 01-11-18 Dearest Ramona

[dmra]

Since there are two separate archives (one for here one for the SDB main site) here is the actual kiss in question. The degree of passion is ambiguous so make your own minds up.

http://www.stickydillybuns.com/strips-sdb/Great_company

[Spidrift]

I think it was deliberately ambiguous. Those two were clearly attracted (and like I said, ironically, it's a far healthier attraction than Angel's Jerzy-stalking), but they were both trying to play by the rules they'd set, and, well, please remember this - a kiss is just a kiss...

[Fluffy]

Other option. Kill Dillon.

While you can add Zii tattling to the pile of reasons Angel hates her Dillon's smug hypocrisy is grating. What he and Jerzy did was more than dinner with a coworker and a peck on the cheek.

It was a lip lock; but, agreed - what Angel did didn't come close to what Jerzy did; and Dillon bragging about a subject that he knows Angel will not take kindly to is particularly aggravating.

Unfortunately; unless Dillon lets it spill when he and Jerzy hooked back up - Dillon is just being the same insufferable drama queen he's always been in SDB; meaning Angel will continue targeting their animosity at the wrong person.

Or...Ruby could let something slip; seeing as Dillon told her when he and Jerzy hooked back up (same night she was planning to have her first time with Andy - which she was quick to figure out happened the same night Angel 'cheated' on Jerzy).

Come to think of it, Dillon said Jerzy claimed Angel was distant with him (didn't have sex with him for two whole days before Jerzy slept with Dillon). I wonder if Jerzy was lying or Dillon is making that up to make Angel look inconsiderate to Jerzy's sexual needs (i.e. - make Angel the bad guy/make Jerzy's actions justifiable).

[BioYuGi]

Damn, Angel looked *really* good as Angie.

[Bat-dork]

Full disclosure before I ask: I very honestly do not quite know how genderfluid people view these matters, and that's why I am asking. I mean no disrespect and I hope I am not causing any unintentional harm (although I am pretty sure a few frustrated sighs are definitely expected).

If I recall correctly, Jerzy and Angel are boyfriend and boyfriend when Angel is identifying as a male. But, when Angel is going out with Richie, she identifies as female. It is obvious from this strip that Jerzy considers this as cheating (or at least it implies he does), but would Angel? Would a genderfluid person consider it "not cheating" since identifying as male and female are distinct? Could a genderfluid person's sexual preferences also change when their gender identification changes?

I mean, I don't think genderfluid is in any way equivalent to having two personalities. It's more like the same personality can feel of two or more genders but only one at a time, right? But how deep does it go? Is it legitimately so separate that Angel would not call it cheating and not be lying about it? Or is the separation not so radical?

And on that front (current situation non-withstanding), what happens to sex with Jerzy if Angel identifies as female for, say, two months in a row? I mean, I've heard that when they flow to the other gender, it is not like an on-off switch, it's more like it simply happens, and it can last a minute or a month or two years?

[samtheman]

So much drama, so little time. Zii and Angel are never going to bury the hatchet are they? But it would be funny as hell if Zii and Angel did engage in a hate-fuck or two while on their band's six-month cross-country tour.

[Spidrift]

“Zii and Angel fight” is probably going to be in there with “Sonya says that she isn’t a lesbian” and “Yuki kicks guys in the crotch” as an hilarious running joke that will never die because it always causes everyone to roll on the floor helpless with merry mirth.

[vampire hunter D]

sometimes I wonder if people remember that this is a comedy. because they get upset everytime a joke happens

[samtheman]

I understand that it's a joke but the joke is wearing thin. I say have Zii and Angel finally bury the hatchet after having a good hate-fuck complete with destructo nookie now that would be funny.

[brasca]

Other option. Kill Dillon.

While you can add Zii tattling to the pile of reasons Angel hates her Dillon's smug hypocrisy is grating. What he and Jerzy did was more than dinner with a coworker and a peck on the cheek.

It was a lip lock; but, agreed - what Angel did didn't come close to what Jerzy did; and Dillon bragging about a subject that he knows Angel will not take kindly to is particularly aggravating.

Unfortunately; unless Dillon lets it spill when he and Jerzy hooked back up - Dillon is just being the same insufferable drama queen he's always been in SDB; meaning Angel will continue targeting their animosity at the wrong person.

Or...Ruby could let something slip; seeing as Dillon told her when he and Jerzy hooked back up (same night she was planning to have her first time with Andy - which she was quick to figure out happened the same night Angel 'cheated' on Jerzy).

Come to think of it, Dillon said Jerzy claimed Angel was distant with him (didn't have sex with him for two whole days before Jerzy slept with Dillon). I wonder if Jerzy was lying or Dillon is making that up to make Angel look inconsiderate to Jerzy's sexual needs (i.e. - make Angel the bad guy/make Jerzy's actions justifiable).

Yes I remembered that scene incorrectly so it wasn't as innocent as a peck on the cheek, but still tamer than what Jerzy did. Ruby's too good at keeping secrets so she won't tell Angel what Dillon was doing that same night, but he might let it slip. Seeing as how he's already bragging about his sex life just to get under Angel's skin it's likely he will or maybe Ruby will take him aside and tell him to confess for the sake of the peace and settling this grudge.

I'm glad dmra posted that link because it reminded me of how much more likable Angel's girl persona is and better off without Jerzy. He's not a terrible person, but very unfaithful and the only thing Angel and Dillon have in common are being drama queens. However, Jerzy, though bisexual seems to prefer male parts that Angel no matter the gender fluidity cannot match.

Of course I could be wrong about Ruby keeping this secret since she seems to be at her wits ends dealing with all this.

[worldshaking00]

That's how I took Ruby here. Ramona too. Pretty sure they are all tired of Angel and their inability to calm the F down. Zii's antics too, aren't making things any better in the Yaoi club. Ruby's deadpan expression and curtness of "Brilliant!" make me see her wanting to just get going on with Yaoi club business and not dealing with interpersonal childish squabbles.

As far as the Hate-dating, I'm pretty sure that is a call-out to Sonya & Yuki hate-fucking the other. TBH, I still don't get why Yuki & Sonya went there. I had a similar remark initially to Zii's thought about hate-dates. But, Yuki & Sonya's sordid affair got a few chuckles out of me so whatev's. That being said, wouldn't it be a hoot if Zii & Angel wound up in a similar manner? Sort of a kiss and make up. Although, I don't think it would do anything positive for Zii's relationship with Didi.

[OllieOrOlly]

Oh, right, I totally forgot that there was this somewhat unpleasant retroactive *moral immunity* for Jerzy cheating on Dillon with Angel, then cheating on Angel with Dillon, by the fact Angel was also cheating (not in as an extreme way, but a spade is a spade). Two wrongs don't make a right, and Dillon's smugness is really obnoxious rather than seeing an "underdog defeat a champion" sort of deal.
Admittedly, I had to look through the archive to see that Angel and Jerzy only hooked up because of inhibitions being lowered by alcohol, whereas Jerzy and Dillon seemed to have complete clarity when they resumed their thing.

With that recollection in mind, perhaps Angel and Zii will reach a detente if Angel gets the other guy, Richie, who seemed more genuinely interested and far less fickle than Jerzy. Like Zii, Angel has a severe ego problem, but maybe if they can get over themselves for a moment, they could realise that regardless of Zii's tattling being out of spite, it is ultimately healthier to avoid dating someone as faithless as Jerzy.

[OllieOrOlly]

As far as the Hate-dating, I'm pretty sure that is a call-out to Sonya & Yuki hate-fucking the other. TBH, I still don't get why Yuki & Sonya went there. I had a similar remark initially to Zii's thought about hate-dates. But, Yuki & Sonya's sordid affair got a few chuckles out of me so whatev's. That being said, wouldn't it be a hoot if Zii & Angel wound up in a similar manner? Sort of a kiss and make up. Although, I don't think it would do anything positive for Zii's relationship with Didi.

Yeah, I figured a callback was the intention, rather than setting up an actual route for the characters.
Zii and DiDi's thing is doomed to fail, though seems unlikely that Angel would be the cause.
Yuki and Sonya's weird relationship made no sense, but I guess it is okay because they both have serious deficiency in logic and similar tendencies to go from 0 to 100 due to whatever provocation; another reason it happened, of course, was for the purpose of comedy (although, the latter is dependent upon the viewer).

[Fluffy]

Of course I could be wrong about Ruby keeping this secret since she seems to be at her wits ends dealing with all this.

I see her handling the situation as she had when Dillon denied Angel's claims that he was flirting with other men while seeing Jerzy; which weren't lies, but facts - bluntly reminding Dillon that he isn't as innocent in these messes as he likes to think he is.

Just, hopefully, in front of everyone; especially if he continues to brag in front of everyone.

[brasca]

At best Angel and Zii might become a musical partnership as first envisioned years ago before Jerzy slept with Zii. That's the original reason Angel has for hating her, but a lot of other things have happened along the way and even if it didn't their egos are destined to clash. However, if Angel learned the truth of Jerzy's infidelity as well as the hypocrisy of projecting his own cheating then zie could move on with Richie who is better for zir.

I understand that it's a joke but the joke is wearing thin. I say have Zii and Angel finally bury the hatchet after having a good hate-fuck complete with destructo nookie now that would be funny.

It worked with Sonya and Yuki because both are bisexuals although one is in denial and the other just had severe phallophobia. Zii is bisexual too, but Angel is gender fluid and both personas prefer men. It's possible zie experimented once, but we've only ever seen Angel flirting or in relationships with men. If they were perfect strangers Zii might be attracted to zir, but Angel wouldn't.