29-03-18 Worth the risk

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Re: 29-03-18 Worth the risk

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I think it's been something like 6 or 7 months in comic time. It's really weird, because Gary has only just jumped from 29 to 30.
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(1) We really don’t know what Yuki might do with a guy of her own volition or as a casual favour, because until recently, the phallophobia got in the way. We do know that her lesbian hijinks with Zii and Sonya got moderately kinky at times. She’s no poor wilting flower. No call to blame Matt for her current behaviour.

(2) Yuki presumably assumes that Gary wants her because he never said No in the past.

(3) Matt is an underwear model, and apparently quite a successful one. He seems to be quite comfortable financially.

(4) Matt is insanely sexually successful. If other people in this comic worried about their past, present, or future sexual partners screwing Matt, they’d all be worried 24/7 (and would mostly be hypocrites). No point in any of them sweating it.

(5) Don’t try to work out the comic’s timeline. The authors clearly don’t. That way, madness lies.
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Wow, so much to discuss here. First off, in the first panel, Yuki says "satisfy one of your very dirty desires just like Peggy." Kind of a loaded statement there. She's pretty much cheapening the mutually satisfying relationship between Gary and Peggy while simultanously implying that on some level she still views Gary as a pervert. Judging by the look on Gary's face, he's not only confused but also possibly a little offended.

On a different note, I kind of wondered if Gary still had any residual feelings for Yuki, but judging by his dialogue here, I don't think that's the case. He's made it pretty clear here that Yuki is in the friend zone, and barely that. And honestly, I can't really blame him for that. When he first met Yuki, he didn't really know what he wanted other than getting laid. Now, Gary is in the process of becoming his own man who knows what he wants and what he doesn't want. In a sense, this is kind of like seeing an old highschool or college flame; nothing there except maybe some nostalga.

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Ophelianime wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:45 pm
Wow, so much to discuss here. First off, in the first panel, Yuki says "satisfy one of your very dirty desires just like Peggy." Kind of a loaded statement there. She's pretty much cheapening the mutually satisfying relationship between Gary and Peggy while simultanously implying that on some level she still views Gary as a pervert. Judging by the look on Gary's face, he's not only confused but also possibly a little offended.
Also note that she's offering to do stuff that she thinks is dirty.
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'That's when she dunks our junk in melted chocolate'

And knowing Yuki's sadistic streak when it comes to male genitalia and Matt's love for kinky/rough sex, that melted chocolate is probably a few degrees above room temperature.

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Manic pixie dream girl is manic.

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Why is she suddenly talking like this?
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She's gone off the deep end in a new direction, is why.

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Remember; she talked to Gary about his relationship with Peggy, he mentioned pegging, she went “yukh”, and he said he sorta kinda liked it. Then, after she nearly strangled him after they had sex, she was worrying about whether she’d put him off her, and she walked in on him being pegged and apparently not being too unhappy about it.

So she now thinks, not only that Gary maybe likes pegging, but that he prefers it to the one experience he’s had of sex with her (leaving aside all the swirly stuff, which she realises did zero for him).

So she set out to deal with her phobia, and hey, she’s largely succeeded. Which is genuine achievement of which she’s justifiably proud. And she knows he’s been in threesomes with Matt and another woman, so she can presume that he’s chill with that.

So — she’s still carrying a torch for Gary, she wants to be nice to him, and she’s pleased with the progress that she’s made in resolving her problems with that. Yes, she’s also a confused idiot, but she’s pursuing her own goals as best she knows how, and achieving results. I don’t see her as a broken Gorean sex slave just yet. She has agency and pride.
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Spidrift wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:17 pm
So — she’s still carrying a torch for Gary
But is Gary still carrying a torch for Yuki?

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Who knows? And if anyone cares — its Gary. Tell him firmly enough, and you can splinter his new so-called spine and make him obey his superiors once more.
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I can't see this thing between Yuki and Matt being anything other than Yuki trying to become a better lover for her Violator-san, and Matt taking advantage by convincing her its all in her best interests for overcoming her phallophobia. I see Gary's underlying anger being mostly directed at Matt here, and given hes probably frustrated at not being able to discuss with Peggy the slow burning lightbulb realisation Zii planted earlier about their relationship over dinner, he is probably going to realise mid-meal with these two (nice distraction there by the way) that Yuki sees Peggy as some sort of competitor for his affections.

The ride may be crazy, and the direction each cast member takes towards their goal (who/whatever that goal may be) can be plagued with diversions and missed turns, but ultimately they are all the hero of their own story, I just think the majority of the comic in general has Zii and Gary as the main protagonists. I'm still pretty open minded about how things will turn out with everyone, and who is least/most deserving in the happiness of their outcomes, but without shoehorning in some Harem nonsense, some good people in the cast are gonna be left unfairly disappointed in the end. To be honest this comic is still, for all its craziness, still able to head towards a good conclusion, despite some pretty mad water-skiing in shark infested waters. Just keep avoiding all the shark-shaped jumps and it will end up fine - and don't try too many wild stunts along the way.

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Spidrift wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:17 pm
Remember; she talked to Gary about his relationship with Peggy, he mentioned pegging, she went “yukh”, and he said he sorta kinda liked it. Then, after she nearly strangled him after they had sex, she was worrying about whether she’d put him off her, and she walked in on him being pegged and apparently not being too unhappy about it.

So she now thinks, not only that Gary maybe likes pegging, but that he prefers it to the one experience he’s had of sex with her (leaving aside all the swirly stuff, which she realises did zero for him).

So she set out to deal with her phobia, and hey, she’s largely succeeded. Which is genuine achievement of which she’s justifiably proud. And she knows he’s been in threesomes with Matt and another woman, so she can presume that he’s chill with that.

So — she’s still carrying a torch for Gary, she wants to be nice to him, and she’s pleased with the progress that she’s made in resolving her problems with that. Yes, she’s also a confused idiot, but she’s pursuing her own goals as best she knows how, and achieving results. I don’t see her as a broken Gorean sex slave just yet. She has agency and pride.
This post is very good, @Spidrift. I think it explains Yuki's drive and actions in this strip quite well. Kudos.

Yuki doesn't listen very well most of the time, especially when she has some sort of preconception. I hope that Yuki & Gary can have a discussion, apart from Matt's influence, so that the two of them can talk about her 'therapies'. Gary should feel flattered that Yuki has such deep feelings for her, so much so that she has done - whatever she's done :ymsick: - with Matt. Gary could do worse than hook up with Yuki, for sure. But I feel that if Gary is no longer interested in pursuing Yuki he needs to be open and upfront with her... unlike how Zii treated Sonya.

I would also accept a Zii/Gary/Yuki relationship too, although I think Gary is deep down looking for a more 'traditional' monogamous long-term relationship. Call it 'vanilla' but with some chocolate sauce, nuts, and sprinkles maybe.

Side note: when Gary blurted out that he was dumped for dinner by Peggy, that makes me feel like Gary was hoping for something to come out of shagging with Peggy. Gary's new ego seems a little bruised in how he phrased that statement as well as by his facial expression. Perhaps Gary was consigning his rear iris to her in hopes that she would be more receptive to his desire to please her and turn their FWB relationship to the next level. It doesn't invalidate that he finds pleasure in it with a woman he likes doing it to him. I'm theorizing that he compromised a tad sexually in hopes for a bigger payoff later on. No fault on Peggy too, as they both came into their FWB relationship knowing what to expect. I just imagine Gary hoping for low-hanging fruit as it were, or expecting that the weeks(?) of perpetual shagging would have developed some sort of deeper emotional bond.

The theory would also explain a bit more of why Gary is so taken aback by Yuki's willingness to peg him. The two of them haven't discussed even restarting their romance, and here's Yuki just going 'balls to the wall' assuming that Gary just wants to be receiving. I'm pretty sure Gary knows Yuki cares for him and wants to be romantic again, but they needed ground rules and an obligatory reaffirmation of resuming their romance. Gary would be rightfully concerned to know what she's done in the process to heal from the phobia. Also recall that Gary was used as a sex aide by Sonya to get Yuki angry at her one last time, which had the side effect of letting Yuki & Gary enjoy/experience coitus together... as well as some throttling and bruising. Gary'd be well within reason to demand some TLC loving, rather than angry sex. Yuki took their intercourse, probably, as an invitation from Gary despite him being quite compromised in that scenario.
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I'm amazed that there were people with strong emotional reactions to this strip, because for me, it did nothing. It doesn't seem to further anything, as nothing has changed and we've learned nothing of consequence.

The specific reasons posters are upset perplex me. Yuki isn't assuming Gary is a disgusting pervert, it's just dirty talk. She's not dirtying herself by doing this, either; she has a distinct taste for kinky sex ever since we first saw her. She's not disparaging Peggy; she's comparing herself to somebody she knows Gary enjoys sexually in order to try to appeal to him.

The weird way she talks in the second panel seems odd at first, but I think it's pretty clear she's walking herself through how she wants to address her fears. Like if I were imagining going to a fancy restaurant, and I think "Maybe I try some dessert afterwards." That phrasing is normal in that context; it's just that nobody real ever says that, but Yuki says everything that passes through her brain, so she does. The English peppered with Japanese is how she's always spoken.

The stupid idea that she's in training to become a sex toy is patently ridiculous. While her hang-up is about penises, the reason she cares is because she couldn't please Gary. Nothing more, nothing less. She ended their relationship because she realized that she was receiving the most pleasure in the relationship. She is ecstatic about learning to please Gary and addressing her fear is part of that education.

Matt isn't using her in any malicious way. He likes sex and sympathizes with Yuki. She knows both of these things. They aren't in a monogamous relationship, and even if they were, it's far too early to crucify him for a malicious act he hasn't committed yet.

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Spidrift wrote:
Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:35 pm
Hmm. Is sushi really something one expects as home cooking, even in Japan? I had the idea that it was a specialist skill, and the whole point with good sushi was that you went out to places run by experts. But I'm probably wrong. And anyhow this is probably just another oral sex joke.
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