12-12-17 Need some time alone with my thoughts

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Re: 12-12-17 Need some time alone with my thoughts

Post by rogermart » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:15 pm

Erik, more like a Black Metal band.
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Re: 12-12-17 Need some time alone with my thoughts

Post by Lokitsu » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:18 pm

Bat-dork wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:28 pm
I get all the hate Zii is getting, I've felt some of it myself, but in the end, I wish that she comes out of this situation as a better person by the end of the volume, and maybe gets either a happy ending, or at least a new start.

I say this because lately, the forums give me this weird «burn the witch» vibe, as if the predominant feeling is Zii and DiDi should burn in hell, and nothing else would be acceptable. Or maybe I am overcomplicating things. The point is, I feel a bit too much hate in the atmosphere than it is warranted.
If you think its bad in here, you should head over to the C-verse forums. :ymdevil:
These forums have become fairly toxic for quite a while now. There are some exceptions, but far too many people log in just to rant about the latest comic and even about the authors themselves. Some of it is deserved, there have always been missteps in the execution of pixie trix's various series and after 9 years of publication, those flaws have only become more pronounced. Some of it seems like "I wasted my time on these comics and now I'm going to let the world know how pissed off I am."
I'm guessing part of the rage/frustration is we've never really been given any motivation for why the various characters act like they do (Yuki being the sole exception). Gary has always been a wimp, Zii is a selfish pleasure seeker, DiDi is desperate for an orgasm. Until the wrestling arc, I don't think DiDi had any interests outside of making breakfast and la petite morte. Now, the comic is ending and its unlikely that we'll ever get any backstory on any of them. Even if Zii gets help and changes her attitude, we're never going to know why she was like that in the first place. Folks can rage all they want until the very last strip; I doubt it will change anything.

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Re: 12-12-17 Need some time alone with my thoughts

Post by rogermart » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:30 pm

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Re: 12-12-17 Need some time alone with my thoughts

Post by Fairy Glade's Fairy » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:52 pm

Lokitsu wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:18 pm
If you think its bad in here, you should head over to the C-verse forums. :ymdevil:
the what?

... also: I wonder about Terry..... crying endlessly cuz he was 'dumped' and now seeking comfort in ice-cream binges are not whatchacall 'manly' attitudes......

... also, Zii: aww poor baby!! I bet all who hated on her are feeling bad now! :((

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Re: 12-12-17 Need some time alone with my thoughts

Post by lordoffiling » Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:58 pm

Terry was one of the Pretty Boyz up until now.

What part of this is confusing to you? :)
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Re: 12-12-17 Need some time alone with my thoughts

Post by Fluffy » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:17 pm

Fairy Glade's Fairy wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:52 pm
Lokitsu wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:18 pm
If you think its bad in here, you should head over to the C-verse forums. :ymdevil:
the what?
Dangerously Chloe - which started off as a pretty decent comic with an entertaining plot, but quickly dissolved into a soft core porn comic largely focused on Teddy - the male lead (now female lead, after a forced gender swap - done to save his life from a virgin succubus intent on getting some action from him) making a trollop out of himself in order to find the perfect mortal male to deflower his virgin succbus girlfriend, thus saving her life (because a virgin succubus eventually dies if she doesn't get laid - and the first few times a virgin succubus has sex with mortal men end up in their very messy deaths - which Teddy wants to avoid).

It sound fun - but isn't.
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Re: 12-12-17 Need some time alone with my thoughts

Post by Shinjischneider » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:47 pm

Fluffy wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 11:54 am
Let me drink your bitter tears, Zii - they sustain me!

Stay strong, Erik! Remember what she did to you!
FINISH HER!
ven wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 12:49 pm
but I think for many people the main feeling is glee.
I am being honest. I don't like seeing people suffering. I actually hate it. So i actually feel bad for Zii being hurt that bad. But 1. that bitch had it coming from miles away and 2. She fucking needs to suffer. Because obviously she won't learn anything otherwise.

I don't want her to commit suicide or do anything else drastic, but yes. She needs to suffer a huge portion of the pain she dealt others in order to become a human being that doesn't deserve a punch in the face all 5 minutes.

Hell. Even MATT is more likeable than she is right now.




@Alice
To be honest. Yes she deserves all the hate she receives. Especially if she was a real person. It's people like her that make other peoples lives a living hell and get away with everything because they are charismatic/sexy/cute.

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Re: 12-12-17 Need some time alone with my thoughts

Post by dewelar » Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:57 pm

Fluffy wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:17 pm
Fairy Glade's Fairy wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:52 pm
Lokitsu wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:18 pm
If you think its bad in here, you should head over to the C-verse forums. :ymdevil:
the what?
Dangerously Chloe
More specifically, it's the C-verse because Dangerously Chloe exists in the same -verse as Eerie Cuties and Magick Chicks.
It sound fun - but isn't.
...but it used to be. Oh, how it used to be...

Bringing things back around to Ma3, I really should be happy to see some development happening with these characters after all these years, but somehow...it still feels hollow. Maybe because it feels like it's now happening too quickly -- which I suppose is the curse of having a known end point after so long without one. One must now tell all the story one wants to tell (and has been putting off telling until absolutely necessary) before the ending, which rapidly approaches.

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Re: 12-12-17 Need some time alone with my thoughts

Post by Spidrift » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:07 pm

Lokitsu wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:18 pm
I'm guessing part of the rage/frustration is we've never really been given any motivation for why the various characters act like they do (Yuki being the sole exception). Gary has always been a wimp, Zii is a selfish pleasure seeker, DiDi is desperate for an orgasm.
I'm still trying to decide if we've had subtle hints that let us piece the answers to that together for ourselves, or whether we've just had random snippets of dialogue that have triggered my fanfic compulsion, and I've invented this stuff from whole cloth. But the comic certainly doesn't seem too concerned with telling us back stories, while being good enough at what it does to hint that they may exist somewhere.
rogermart wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:30 pm
Gary himself explained where he came from...

http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/...Really
http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/Best_buddies
However, I don't believe a word of that. Or rather, I'm not sure if it was early instalment weirdness that the writers later abandoned, Gary making excuses, or an exaggeration.

The problem is, Gary has never shown any signs of religious indoctrination and hasn't had that much trouble talking to women, while the one time we heard his mother, she seemed perfectly nice and concerned over his past lack of a social life. On the other hand, Gary has confessed to having been an Internet troll in his teens. So my personal fanwank reading is that his home community wasn't all that bad, but Gary was a creep. So those "horrible girls" were fairly normal teenagers who reacted to the creepy vibes he gave off by keeping him at a distance and finding safety in numbers when he was around. So Gary sought satisfaction by being a jerk online, until he hit his 20s and discovered that extreme geekiness and online meanness are no basis for a life.

But Gary strikes me as very simple, really; he's a geek. Which isn't strange or that terrible, after all; I see a bit of myself in there, and lots of people I've known and liked. Gary just raises it to an extreme level, and adds a bit too much self-pity.

As to the other two -- DiDi once said that she lost all her female friends when she passed puberty, and told Kiley that her family were poor but always did their best to be good to her. In other words, she's always had this bizarre reality-warping powder to get people to give her what she wants. Not surprisingly, this has warped her personality into something stunted and a tiny bit horrible. And Zii, I reckon, is just naturally an extrovert and self-indulgent, and also had her heart broken by the first great love of her life, sometime in her teens, and ended up with a subconscious belief that you have to screw them before they screw you, then run away before the hurting starts.

Now, Sonya's hidden depths are interesting...
Shinjischneider wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 4:47 pm
She needs to suffer a huge portion of the pain she dealt others in order to become a human being that doesn't deserve a punch in the face all 5 minutes.
Gods and little fishes -- if you hate Zii that much, what do you want to see happen to DiDi?

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Re: 12-12-17 Need some time alone with my thoughts

Post by ven » Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:51 pm

Spidrift wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:04 pm
I can cheerfully list all of Zii's faults and mistakes, but glee? Huh. Personally, I don't come to comedy Webcomics to vent my gratuitous sadistic urges.
I'm not here very often (in this forum that is), because I have things to do, places to be, people to k...wait, not supposed to tell you that.

I don't want to repeat myself all that much, stating my dislike about Zii every week would be a waste of time don't you think? So don't make the assumption I'm just here to vent...whatever that is I'm venting.

Zii is one of the protagonist of this comic, and I think the writers want her to be liked by the audience, want to establish a emotional connection. She is a deeply flawed person, but that doesn't mean she has to be unlikeable. There is a complicated mixture at work here, the character flaws combined with the feeling, she can do whatever she wants, in the end she is on the sunny side of life, is a huge part of the problem. It seems unfair, and I didn't see any good character traits strong enough to balance that out.

So like a villain that gets his comeuppance is satisfying, Zii getting to pay for her flaws is too. If Zii was a likeable character, this would be the point where people would feel sorry for her, can't see that around here. There are some people in the glee territory too, so it fits.
Spidrift wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:07 pm
Gods and little fishes -- if you hate Zii that much, what do you want to see happen to DiDi?
What's with Didi?

I don't get this character, she is not my type, so her being super attractive and all the storys inspired by this don't work for me at all. Since I deal with more than enough stupid people on a daily bases, I really didn't think to much about her. The wrestling arc could have been at least interesting, but it did amount to nothing so far.
Quinlan1973 wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 3:00 pm
Enter Erik starring as the Ghost of Relationships Past.
That would be a good idea, getting Didi for the present would be the next step then. I don't think that's what they are going for, but I like it
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Re: 12-12-17 Need some time alone with my thoughts

Post by Spidrift » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:35 pm

ven wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:51 pm
What's with Didi?
In terms of damage done, in-story, DiDi is far, far worse than Zii. Up until this current mess-up, Zii's one night stands seem to have been understood by most of those involved as just that, and even Sonya and Yuki, who refused to leave it at one night, still liked Zii (they just wanted her back). A few guys (e.g. Adrien) were left a little confused, but there's no sign that any of them were permanently damaged. Zii did have a dubious habit of sneaking illicit photos, but they were strictly for her own use and for showing to friends; she didn't stick them on the Internet or anything. She was kind of ruthless in seeking revenge on Vincent, but he was a jerk, and it's recently been established that no permanent harm was done there either. And even when she did hurt people a bit, Zii at least noticed it, had the grace to look guilty, and sometimes tried to make amends.

DiDi, by contrast, has left a trail of broken, weeping men behind her, with nary a trace of guilt. She's always been a freaking emotional menace. Hell, Zii has once or twice ended up helping guys get over DiDi. She just doesn't care. She's genuinely heartless. Heck, remember -- when Zii promised not to have sex with DiDi, it was DiDi who immediately started looking for ways to break that promise. And her treatment of Kiley was a comedy horror show, involving actual physical injury as well as emotional trauma.

So -- I can fully understand that people think that Zii is a bad person. What I can't understand is how someone can hate Zii but not hate DiDi much, much more.
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Re: 12-12-17 Need some time alone with my thoughts

Post by cheshire86 » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:05 pm

Hey, that makeup would also work great in a King Diamond cover band, Zii. Good to have options. :)

Also: I predict Lita Glomping in the not-to-distant future. Poor cat's gonna get a complex.

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Re: 12-12-17 Need some time alone with my thoughts

Post by Cortez » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:12 pm

Spidrift wrote:
Tue Dec 12, 2017 5:07 pm

However, I don't believe a word of that. Or rather, I'm not sure if it was early instalment weirdness that the writers later abandoned, Gary making excuses, or an exaggeration.

Especially since Gary's mom didn't seem all that bad when we heard her on the phone.

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Re: 12-12-17 Need some time alone with my thoughts

Post by Zellgato » Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:31 pm

plot twist.
he isnt' really there.
Zii broke.

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Re: 12-12-17 Need some time alone with my thoughts

Post by SailorDh » Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:19 pm

Ten bucks says Zii tries to jump him.
Hopefully he's just there to tell her he's no longer bankrolling her band and she needs to clear out.

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