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Re: 21-11-17 Whined loud

Post by OllieOrOlly » Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:19 pm

Spidrift wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:36 pm
Usually, the point is that someone becomes a star, that inflates their ego, and then they become an arse. And it usually takes some focus and dedication to become a star in the first place.

Skipping the hard bits doesn’t work, as Zii may be about to realise.
I don't know, it seemed like Zii was *always* an egomaniac and an arse with her inability or lack of wanting to care about any of her many, many conquests (other than momentary satisfaction from the sex and "achievement" of acquiring it).
There have been a few times when Zii showed a fairly genuine sense of wanting to help certain individuals, but for the vast majority she was callous and/or runs away - the latter especially when it is a problem of her own making.

EDIT: Just checked posts above the one I quoted, and you already made the similar point about Zii's moral cowardice. Sorry for possible misunderstanding; I didn't need to add an addendum (well, even if a little reiteration can't hurt. Aha)

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Re: 21-11-17 Whined loud

Post by Bat-dork » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:20 pm

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Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:12 pm
Bat-dork wrote:
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We do know Angel is willing to recruit Yuki if she will accept, and if Sonya tells the story, there's no way Yuki won't feel betrayed.
Do we know that? Angel turned the generic charm on Yuki, but Angel’s band had a drummer at the time.
Ok. Maybe we don't "know" per se, but I'd still say Angel seemed willing to recruit Yuki back then, plus losing Yuki will piss Zii off, so bonus points:

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Re: 21-11-17 Whined loud

Post by Treader » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:21 pm

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Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:13 pm
OK, I know Montreal apartments have thin walls, but a music rehearsal room where your can hear conversation from the next one? What's that going to be like with two rock bands going full volume?
I'll just guess they have the door open, since they were waiting for the others, and that's enough for the sound to travel. Or Sonya's drama-powers, currently fueled by Zii's stupidity, care not for the laws of sonic transfer.

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Re: 21-11-17 Whined loud

Post by worldshaking00 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:37 pm

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No, we HAVE to see Tracy get the SGR.
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Re: 21-11-17 Whined loud

Post by Spidrift » Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:24 pm

OllieOrOlly wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:19 pm
I don't know, it seemed like Zii was *always* an egomaniac and an arse with her inability or lack of wanting to care about any of her many, many conquests (other than momentary satisfaction from the sex and "achievement" of acquiring it).
There have been a few times when Zii showed a fairly genuine sense of wanting to help certain individuals, but for the vast majority she was callous and/or runs away - the latter especially when it is a problem of her own making.

EDIT: Just checked posts above the one I quoted, and you already made the similar point about Zii's moral cowardice. Sorry for possible misunderstanding; I didn't need to add an addendum (well, even if a little reiteration can't hurt. Aha)
My comment was simply in reply to JoybuzzerX, who talked about this as typical rock star behaviour. Maybe it is, but to use that as any kind of figleaf, you have to become a rock star first. Otherwise, yep, you’re just an egomaniac arse without the cool points that make people put up with rock star behaviour.

Zii says that she wants to make it big with her band, but the question is — does she want to be a successful rock musician, or does she just want the rock star label that fits her personality?
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Ok. Maybe we don't "know" per se, but I'd still say Angel seemed willing to recruit Yuki back then, plus losing Yuki will piss Zii off, so bonus points:
http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/Double_polite
Mmm. That mostly looks like platonic flirting with Yuki while provoking Zii, but maybe Angel meant it. Which means that playing rhythm in the Pretty Boyz must feel awful insecure; you never know when you’ll be dropped in favour of someone who’ll annoy Zii more...
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Re: 21-11-17 Whined loud

Post by LegendaryKroc » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:45 am

For the record, I don't really feel down with hoping for a disaster incoming for Zii, but this subplot is far more interesting than the one we just came from, so I'm happy to see where these current events go from here.

Also, I find it increasingly difficult to gauge Izz. She says she wants to be Zii, but does even she know what that means at this stage?

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Re: 21-11-17 Whined loud

Post by Treader » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:56 am

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Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:24 pm
Mmm. That mostly looks like platonic flirting with Yuki while provoking Zii, but maybe Angel meant it. Which means that playing rhythm in the Pretty Boyz must feel awful insecure; you never know when you’ll be dropped in favour of someone who’ll annoy Zii more...
Might be a relief, by that stage; especially since they're apparently only local-level 'rock stars' as well. "Oh, i don't have to deal with your relationship melodrama and starting fights in the crowd with oddly disguised stalkers? Well, darn. Laughing?! No, no... that was definitely just a giggle of nervous disappointment. I guess I'll just have to find a dull band, that doesn't partake in shenanigans. Double darn..."

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Re: 21-11-17 Whined loud

Post by Error of Logic » Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:42 am

Treader wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:21 pm
OldBrit wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:13 pm
OK, I know Montreal apartments have thin walls, but a music rehearsal room where your can hear conversation from the next one? What's that going to be like with two rock bands going full volume?
I'll just guess they have the door open, since they were waiting for the others, and that's enough for the sound to travel. Or Sonya's drama-powers, currently fueled by Zii's stupidity, care not for the laws of sonic transfer.
I think Sonya and Angel are being as loud as possible on purpose as part of their plan to undermine Nielsen. They want to be heard.
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Re: 21-11-17 Whined loud

Post by Bat-dork » Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:45 am

Spidrift wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:24 pm
Bat-dork wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:20 pm
Ok. Maybe we don't "know" per se, but I'd still say Angel seemed willing to recruit Yuki back then, plus losing Yuki will piss Zii off, so bonus points:
http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/Double_polite
Mmm. That mostly looks like platonic flirting with Yuki while provoking Zii, but maybe Angel meant it. Which means that playing rhythm in the Pretty Boyz must feel awful insecure; you never know when you’ll be dropped in favour of someone who’ll annoy Zii more...
Could be... and the following could just be meant as a punchline, but at least, Yuki does believe she's a better drummer than whoever is currently on the Boyz:

http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/One_powerful_riff

Also, tell me Sonya stealing the band wouldn't fit her revenge style.

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Re: 21-11-17 Whined loud

Post by OllieOrOlly » Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:37 am

LegendaryKroc wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:45 am
For the record, I don't really feel down with hoping for a disaster incoming for Zii, but this subplot is far more interesting than the one we just came from, so I'm happy to see where these current events go from here.

Also, I find it increasingly difficult to gauge Izz. She says she wants to be Zii, but does even she know what that means at this stage?
Yeah, Izz has become surprisingly more complex - she seems to have eased back from being a total fangirl (to the point of being a stalker) into a more subdued tag along; perhaps gaining close proximity to her idol was a fulfilment that made her previously overly-familiar apparent attempts of seduction become no longer *necessary* in her mind?
I guess Zii herself had tried to, albeit with minimal effort, convince Izz that she should find someone better to look up to, and maybe Izz will discover how, like the old saying goes, one shouldn't meet their heroes.

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Re: 21-11-17 Whined loud

Post by JoybuzzerX » Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:15 am

Spidrift wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:36 pm
Usually, the point is that someone becomes a star, that inflates their ego, and then they become an arse. And it usually takes some focus and dedication to become a star in the first place.

Skipping the hard bits doesn’t work, as Zii may be about to realise.
I'd say she got enough of a star boost at the local level, that she wound up there.

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Re: 21-11-17 Whined loud

Post by brasca » Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:40 am

Error of Logic wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:42 am
Treader wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:21 pm
OldBrit wrote:
Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:13 pm
OK, I know Montreal apartments have thin walls, but a music rehearsal room where your can hear conversation from the next one? What's that going to be like with two rock bands going full volume?
I'll just guess they have the door open, since they were waiting for the others, and that's enough for the sound to travel. Or Sonya's drama-powers, currently fueled by Zii's stupidity, care not for the laws of sonic transfer.
I think Sonya and Angel are being as loud as possible on purpose as part of their plan to undermine Nielsen. They want to be heard.
Agreed. Since Sonya knows her former band members are next door and what time they'd be practicing I wouldn't be surprised if she and Angel are being intentionally loud.

And I'm so glad we're back to this storyline.

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Re: 21-11-17 Whined loud

Post by Spidrift » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:23 am

Treader wrote:
Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:56 am
Might be a relief, by that stage; especially since they're apparently only local-level 'rock stars' as well. "Oh, i don't have to deal with your relationship melodrama and starting fights in the crowd with oddly disguised stalkers? Well, darn. Laughing?! No, no... that was definitely just a giggle of nervous disappointment. I guess I'll just have to find a dull band, that doesn't partake in shenanigans. Double darn..."
This is true enough. Angel is, we must remember, a fairly appalling neurotic obsessive. Sonya’s going to have some fun in that band, but Sonya is a hopeless drama addict. The big danger for the band now must be that Sonya will encourage Angel in ridiculous stupid behaviours that distract them from serious business of music.

(Also — though I doubt that the comic will get into this — Angel seems to be a bit more intellectual about music than Zii, taking Lennon and McCartney as a reference-point where Zii takes Kiss; Zii called Angel “pretentious”. Sonya may find her brain being stretched a bit more now, which might actually be good for her.)
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Wed Nov 22, 2017 4:37 am
Yeah, Izz has become surprisingly more complex - she seems to have eased back from being a total fangirl (to the point of being a stalker) into a more subdued tag along; perhaps gaining close proximity to her idol was a fulfilment that made her previously overly-familiar apparent attempts of seduction become no longer *necessary* in her mind?
Well, yes, she had achieved the goal of getting close to Zii and could stop trying so hard (and the attempts at seduction looked much more like a means to an end than anything about sincere sexual desire — she may actually be heterosexual at heart for all we know). But also, let’s face it, the scary-stalker Single White Female lock-changing stuff was only going to be funny in small doses before it got too worrying and Zii started having to fend her off properly. Dialling her back to just a bit keen made for easier comedy.
I guess Zii herself had tried to, albeit with minimal effort, convince Izz that she should find someone better to look up to, and maybe Izz will discover how, like the old saying goes, one shouldn't meet their heroes.
I think that the former is crediting Zii with a bit too much sense and subtlety. She might have made a cack-handed attempt to divert Izzy’s excess enthusiasm away from herself, the way she did with Sonya, but the problem with the groupie hero-worship is that it’s exactly what a wannabe rock star like Zii thinks she wants in life. She might want Izzy to dial it back a bit, but redirect it? That’s crazy talk!
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Re: 21-11-17 Whined loud

Post by AlexDenton » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:50 am

Soooo Sonya didn't tell Yuki. That's cold.
Also feels like an excuse to add more drama since they were getting along. And do we need more drama on the last book, or do we need wrapping up? Ah well, let's see.
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Re: 21-11-17 Whined loud

Post by Spidrift » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:14 pm

Why the hell should Sonya be the one to tell Yuki? It's Zii's band, and the situation is Zii's fault, and Sonya told Zii loud and clear. Let her deal with the repercussions for her own stupid band. Sonya wants to cut all ties to the stupid mistake she made when she ever thought she loved Zii. That's not coldness, that's clarity, for the first time since she met Zii.

(The answer to all that is, of course, that Sonya and Yuki are actually kinda friends now, and Sonya might want to put her side of things to Yuki before Zii feeds her a biased version. But that's a crazy mixed-up friendship at best, and Sonya loves the idea that she and Yuki are mortal enemies, so voluntarily talking to Yuki about personal stuff is a bit tricky for her.)
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