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Re: 18-11-17 Games sounds nice

Post by Spidrift » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:22 pm

It's her show. I imagine that disguising (or "disguising") herself would kind of miss the point.
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Re: 18-11-17 Games sounds nice

Post by BlairFan » Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:27 pm

Poor Gary should have been promoted to a sergeant at least by now. ;)

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Re: 18-11-17 Games sounds nice

Post by worldshaking00 » Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:22 pm

I think Gary was indeed intending on a real date with Tracy. Judging from how he kept on trying to scare James off from his birthday BJ, he only thinks one step ahead. Gary, for all his geek-intelligence, is not a master strategist... especially in the realm of social relationships. His previous social tools were to be polite, smile, be nice & obliging, be a doormat, have a nose bleed & feint, or be a deer in headlights. He's learned the important one now, courtesy of Tracy & Peggy, which is to say 'no' and to stand up for what he is vehemently against.

Tracy is using him, no doubt about it, and that is the trait I find most inexcusable in her personality. Gary could spin this in his direction though. Gary might be quite good at spanking despite being neophyte (or Tracy is just good at faking it). The cam-show could be some heavy foreplay, if Gary were to play nice. I don't think Gary would mind, overall, if it weren't being broadcast that is. I guess we'll see.

I'm not sure what lesson Gary could have for Tracy, other than to tell her off about being selfish to her own needs first and manipulative of him. I think Tracy can be very accommodating to her man/partner, willing and downright pleasurable in fact, as long as she feels there's no strife in the relationship. She was perfectly cool with a 3-way for James's birthday with one of her porn friends... I mean... wow. She made a home-cooked meal for same, and seemed to be in charge of the general festivities. She is a strong, independant woman who knows what she likes and knows what she is good at, and enjoys taking good care of her partner. She doesn't just want to be pampered in a relationship; I think she just wants to basically be in charge of what the relationship will be doing. She doesn't like her faults pointed out, and she gets into explosive tantrums when she doesn't get things her way. She is dangerous & high maintenance, but manageable for sure... but maybe too much for Gary to handle.

If Gary is just looking for sex now, forget the controller and remember your Corporal Punishment cheat codes. If not, politely hand her the mask back and tell her your feelings before the camshow starts. Personally, I hope Gary and Tracy can have sex at least once... SGR included for someone's avatar, of course. I expect their relationship won't last and Gary would end it similarly to Senna. Or I could be wrong and he might enjoy being Tracy's boy-toy. There are worse fates Gary could have. I'm still shipping Gary/Yuki or Peggy, but we have many pages & twists still to go.
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Re: 18-11-17 Games sounds nice

Post by Spidrift » Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:33 pm

I remain convinced that Tracy is somebody's kid sister. She's not deeply horrible - quite nice when she's getting her own way, even - but she assumes automatically that she can pester or bounce people who are theoretically in a stronger position than her into doing what she wants, and she throws horrible, childish tantrums when she doesn't get her own way. And the fact that she's gone from being a cute kid to being a sexy woman means that she's never had to learn new ways of relating to people.

Gary - who I'd guess is an only child, or at least way different in age from his siblings - just doesn't have the tools to manage this. They're fine as friends, but a closer relationship would be a train wreck of entitlement and manipulation from her and inability to cope from him.
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Re: 18-11-17 Games sounds nice

Post by themacnut » Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:18 pm

Gary will go along. Unlike the threesome, where Gary really didn't want to be sucked off by Jim (or to return the "favor"!), he has no really strong objection to being 'Corporal Punishment' in Tracy's cam show. So he'll go along with it, hoping there'll be some nookie at the end of it.
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Re: 18-11-17 Games sounds nice

Post by Error of Logic » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:08 pm

Dump her and move on, Gary.
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Re: 18-11-17 Games sounds nice

Post by Spidrift » Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:19 pm

Sanity? They sentenced Gary to twenty years of boredom for trying to change the system from within. Insanity got him laid, and more.

(And Zii loved him as a loser, but now she’s worried that he might just win.)
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Re: 18-11-17 Games sounds nice

Post by Error of Logic » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:16 pm

Twenty years....?!

Well, he doesn't have to get with Suzi. I wish her and Chastel happiness together, if they can manage it. It'll keep them from inconveniencing other people. For a while.
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Re: 18-11-17 Games sounds nice

Post by Spidrift » Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:26 pm

Don’t worry; someone’s coming to reward them (guided by a signal in the heavens and a birthmark on their skin). Zii used to live for music, but now everybody’s wounded...
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Re: 18-11-17 Games sounds nice

Post by Error of Logic » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:17 pm

Did you just suggest those two might be the Antichrist? ó_ò
At least, that's what your reference seemed to suggest. I didn't understand the part about everyone being wounded at all.
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Re: 18-11-17 Games sounds nice

Post by Spidrift » Sat Nov 18, 2017 11:26 pm

It’s a Canadian thing. The theme song for this volume.
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Re: 18-11-17 Games sounds nice

Post by Opus the Poet » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:37 am

Spidrift wrote:
Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:11 pm
I suspect that Gary will go along with this, out of politeness -- he is still Gary, after all, and logically, if he refuses, Tracy will have to chase around dealing with the gap in her work schedule (though the writers might just ignore that). He can always make it clear afterwards that this is the last time, if he's not supposed to be backsliding too much.

If he does assert himself, one way or another, and if we don't get, say, James bursting in, Tracy, instead of feeling remorse or anger, might agree with James that Gary being assertive is appealingly manly of him. Personally, I think that's kind of dumb and annoying (it seems like a polished-up version of "treat 'em mean to keep 'em keen", which is a dubious as well as an ugly idea), but it does crop up in Ma3. That in turn could have two effects; on the positive side, if Gary discovers that being politely assertive doesn't lose him friends, and might even get him laid, it could reinforce his character development. On the negative side, if he thinks that the more hostile he is the more admiration he gets, he could devolve into an annoying jerk for a while.
Except we don't have "a while". This is the last volume, so it's a pretty good chance that Gary will not go down that road unless the creators are looking to send everyone down with the ship. The "Bonularity" strip http://www.ma3comic.com/strips-ma3/Boneularity_-_guest showed an assertive Gary, but not so much a BDSM Top Gary. Still not sure how close that strip is to canon... :ymparty:
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Re: 18-11-17 Games sounds nice

Post by brasca » Sun Nov 19, 2017 3:45 pm

Well Tracy didn't mislead Gary. If there's a next time he should ask for specifics.

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Re: 18-11-17 Games sounds nice

Post by Spidrift » Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:16 pm

She’s not classing the camgirl stuff as “games”; it’s something they’re doing before the games. Look at what she actually says.

And so the objection isn’t that she misled him; it’s that she’s bouncing him into something that he might well not want to do.
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Re: 18-11-17 Games sounds nice

Post by Gion » Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:18 pm

Some of you seem to have forgotten that Tracy got off big the last time Gary helped her with a cam show.

What we're seeing here is that Gary's got more going on than the Swirly. It was a little rough at first because he was inexperienced, but since Sonya he's improved his technique. That Star Power isn't just for show. Tracy's noticed that, which is why she's looking to do things with Gary other than get her no-no spot tickled with Gary's tongue.

I'm seeing a rather narrow view of human sexuality, here. This is some normal shit that two people who are dating would do on date night. Sometimes you go over to get your date to take them to whatever event you're attending, they pounce on you immediately, and you don't go anywhere. Those are good date nights. You're all acting like girls never want the D. Not only that, but sex isn't absolutely 100% the way you like it all the time. You might do some stuff you're not interested in or comfortable with because your partner really wants to do it.

Putting myself in Gary's shoes for a minute, I'm not really comfortable with sex on camera. Tracy really digs it. If I'm going to get with Tracy, I have to accept that she wants to have sex on camera. I don't have control over what she wants or likes. James didn't understand that. If I'm going to be messing around with Tracy for any length of time, in order to truly fulfill her sexually, I'm either going to have to fuck her on camera once in a while, or let some other guy do it. Which am I less comfortable with? That's a decision I have to make. I don't get to invent a third option where Tracy gives up being a camgirl. That's Tracy's decision, not mine. Don't be James.

Finally, and this is important, Gary knew all of this about Tracy in advance, and he went over there looking to bust in Tracy's mouth. Gary's been trying to get up in that since he met her.

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