worldshaking00 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:39 am
But Yuki doesn't exactly get along well with Didi unless Yuki is getting something out of it (her modeling for manga, her pancakes, etc.). We all know Yuki still has a soft spot for Zii, but Sonya & Yuki now share a past and Sonya knows how to press Yuki's buttons.
I could see Sonya recruiting Yuki to a scheme to attack DiDi and detach her from Zii, very easily. But Yuki's thing for Zii is more than a soft spot; it's obsession, probably love, and certainly intense loyalty. (Remember the band's first gig, when the one thing that could make Sonya and Yuki stop fighting was a threat to Zii.) And she loves being in the band. Actually detaching Yuki from Zii and the band would probably require something thermonuclear.
edisnooM wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:41 am
I personally don't feel overly bad for Sonya here, chickens coming home to roost and all. I am a bit surprised that she appears to have given up (for the moment at least) instead of fighting on.
This is a first depressive crash; she needs to get things out of her system to start with. For that matter, we've seen her in a depressive slump before - Peggy helped her out of the last one. I reckon she'll bounce back and not give up, but there's nothing strange if it takes a day or two.
worldshaking00 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:39 am
I'm also a bit curious if Sonya will be the next recipient of some Comic Book Guru wisdom?
I can't quite imagine that. Sonya isn't a comics fan, and doesn't hang out at the shop that we've seen, outside of band rehearsals - and she probably doesn't have a great regard for geeks. Still, I guess that she likes Jung's work on costumes well enough.
Talking of input from third parties - one thing that I find sad about the indefinite postponement of SDB is that it drops the characters there into limbo. Ruby and Zii aren't very close, but they did become friends - and we know that Ruby is often good for a sane outsider's eye on the cast's usual behaviour. Seeing her making a cool-headed comment or two on Zii's current situation would be fun. ("Have you thought about
not doing these things?")
OllieOrOlly wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:50 am
1.) I know the why isn't a mystery, the point was that I'm surprised DiDi picked up on it, especially since there have been occasions when someone expresses their thoughts but she inadvertently ignores them due to being too rapt in her own issues.
DiDi has made some very small progress as a character. She does notice other people more - but everything is still all about her in the end.
OllieOrOlly wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:50 am
2.) Pardon my Western sensibilities for not realising the literal, classical definition of "karma." I presumed, perhaps wrongly, that the Western audience here would have a similar understanding of the concept, i.e. it is a notion of balance and can be seen as vaguely comparable to Newton's laws of motion.
I was talking about the western version, actually. I'm really not qualified to talk about the original eastern philosophical concept. But the western fiction version is rarely proportionate, if you look at it. It usually seems to consist of a character being irritating and mildly unpleasant, and then having their whole life ruined forever as retribution from the universe.
This stuff goes back to the Greek myths, where it's at least explained as the gods being horrible bastards who'll condemn somebody to an eternity of torture for being rude to someone. In bad modern fiction, it's the universe miraculously hosing someone who the audience wasn't meant to like. Ma3 is a bit more realistic; characters who behave like asses attract revenge from other people, and those who don't think about long-term consequences suffer from them.
OllieOrOlly wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 12:50 am
3.) I can understand the viewing of Zii being "fairly decent," however, don't agree with it myself. Her *attempt* to console Sonya was more akin to trying to calm down a hysterical person that one is more annoyed by than cares about. Zii's half-hearted support is "the best we can expect from most people" when dealing with acquaintances, but Sonya is her band mate, former and current lover, sort of friend, and the one who was there for Zii when - in the latter's mind - there was nobody left; I don't want to rant on, so simply: Zii isn't a bad person, yet she is certainly not a decent one.
I won't say that Zii is being great here. Actually, she's shown some of her old worst habits in this storyline - primarily, running away from problems instead of trying to fix them. Trying to conceal her relationship with DiDi from Sonya was a bad start; even if DiDi hadn't been an idiot, how long could that have lasted? And she was quick to want to leave Sonya crying. Actually, strictly speaking, she's missing the point rather horribly in the first panel of this strip.* But, well, she has at least recognised a problem, and made a token attempt to help with it. By her standards - by human standards - that's minimal decency.
*
Why should Sonya want or need to talk about her feelings? They're very clear and entirely predictable. You could say that it's her fault for allowing Zii to describe their relationship as casual when it clearly wasn't, but blaming her for that wouldn't help just now. What Zii should bloody well be doing is apologising, up to and including grovelling. She can say that the heart has its reasons, and that they could all have handled this better, but the fact remains it was Zii who screwed another woman in Sonya's own damn apartment, after promising not to. Even if Sonya didn't accept the apology, it's past due. Hmm, she really needs Ruby sitting on her shoulder...
Shinjischneider wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:37 am
She's a horrible person and has always been. But she's also the writers pet and the readers fap, that's why she gets away with it.
All
The
Time
And yet, you're still here and reading the comic...