29-07-10 Atta girl!

[chelonianmobile]

I dunno, a series of strips in which Zii becomes a quadriplegic would be pretty funny. I'm just brainstorming.

Wow. That's totally in good taste and not pathetic at all.

[David Johnston]

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Zii, on the other hand, is entirely self-centered. She offered to help Gary get laid, but has done nothing towards that end..

Not technically true. She wasn't nosing around a geek forum because she was interested for herself. She was doing it because she has no clear idea how to help Gary and was looking around for someone with his interests.

[T_Blast]

Well, in a few years, Vyndicator will be on a tower with a high-powered rifle and tons of ammunation.

Gary gets hit first just as he is getting his first kiss from a girl who loves him.

THE END.

No it's more likely that when Gary tries to take a bus and the train back home, Gay is muged then anal raped but a gang of gay street thugs.

And Vyndicator's Father owns the company that Gary works and Gary is fired for his part in braking up the marrage.

Then Gary has to do Gay S&M porn to pay the bills. This way, Zii again gets waht she wants.

[Don Alexander]

C-c-combo Breaker.

I wish to petition Giz and Dave to feature Vynd-dad's secretaries in the future.

I mean, seriously, as others have stated, Angèle is HAWT.

Now just try to imagine the girls that make a man cheat on HER!!

Yes, I'm aware that maybe Angèle might be at fault too. Perhaps she too was not giving her hubby what he wanted. Let's not make her a complete Angel, okay? *kawf*

[cursormortis]

Not technically true. She wasn't nosing around a geek forum because she was interested for herself. She was doing it because she has no clear idea how to help Gary and was looking around for someone with his interests.

Zii said she was, in her own words, "Checking the scene" for Gary. That does not mean she was actually doing so, as she has shown no problem in lying to get out of problems or into bed, nor does it mean she was looking for girls for Gary. I highly doubt, based on her previous record, that she was trying to find him a girl.

[BobDole]

Not technically true. She wasn't nosing around a geek forum because she was interested for herself. She was doing it because she has no clear idea how to help Gary and was looking around for someone with his interests.

Zii said she was, in her own words, "Checking the scene" for Gary. That does not mean she was actually doing so, as she has shown no problem in lying to get out of problems or into bed, nor does it mean she was looking for girls for Gary. I highly doubt, based on her previous record, that she was trying to find him a girl.

So Zii was on a forum with a bunch of geeks and nerds for her own benefit? I may not like what happened at the end, but that's a pretty darn big leap of faith to try and take. Zii has no reason to lie about what she was doing in this case.

[Tiana]

Okay this is officially going into fandumb territory. If you don't like the comic, don't read it. If you can't deal with Zii's antics and find them too "MEAN" for your fragile little dispositions, STFU and find another comic to read.
Or else you can start your own little thread where you guys can "I hate Zii" till you pass out. I'll be sure to go nowhere near it.

Clearly it's all Misogyny anyway. I have yet to see one quote by a female that has been really pissed off about what Zii does. Clearly many of you find Zii's antics so threatening because you think aggressive, self possessed and sexual women should "stay in the kitchen".

If it isn't about Misogyny, why haven't any of you Zii haters shown any concern about Anegle? It's okay that she spends the rest of her life in a miserable relationship because "that's what good girls do". I feel bad for her. There are lots of house wives just like her in the real world forced to endure constant emotional pain with a smile on their faces just as the same Patriarchal value system that deprives them of their courage insists that they raise it's sons. But that's not important because a MALE CHARACTER (never-mind that he's clearly a shitbag) might be SUFFERING!

All right, this is enough to cause me to pop in.

Here we go. Hello. I'm female. Anyone who knows me will assure you that I'm a feminist who believes strongly in equal rights, and that feminism means the right of a woman to chose what she will be, whether that's a raging sadistic sex-driven psychopath or stay in the kitchen mom. I am easily a self-possessed woman.

Normally, Zii is one of my favorite characters. She's ridiculous and over the top and all about sex and that's what Zii does. From the start of this arc, though, I have not been a fan of her and I've found it ridiculous from the start to believe that Zii, an active, self-centered, sexual woman has never used the internet and has no idea what a troll is. That just started my problems with this arc. And now it ends with destroying a kid's life over HER overreacting over him being trollish. Now, let me explain trolls. Trolls seek reactions. Trolls are for all rights and purposes, sadists, and they look for reactions. So by Zii overreacting he WON. Likely as not he posted a couple of lines at her. However, note that ZII got banned... not Vyn. He's likely somewhat like this guy I know on this other forum... our resident troll... and Zii got pwned.

I think boning his mom was a funny bit of revenge, but overall the writing was approached in a way that was unsympathetic to her cause and unrealistic to the story.

As for whether Anegle is suffering? Sure, she probably is. MANY women are, and I respect her desire to finally get out of a bad relationship. However, a bad relationship might not reflect on the kids. I know my parents aren't exactly on happy terms at the moment but because they respect us, they keep it quiet and to themselves. Has she heard of say... TACT? I'm glad she's getting out of a bad relationship but there was absolutely no tact involved in the situation: she made it pitifully obvious she'd had sex with a woman and then told him she was going to break apart their family. Vyn is likely underage and that's the bit that irks me. It's not his gender, it's his age. If it was a 18 year old guy, I'd be more likely to laugh, but from my experience, growing up in a home with parents who don't exactly click anymore, I know that's not funny.

I would've been happier had the arc ended with the joke that Anegle and Zii'd had sex, and then Anegle breaking up with her husband came to play later on when the director of the movie comes in sulking because his wife just dumped him and gets promptly seduced by someone else. Or when Anegle and Didi end up dating. Those are my predictions, anyway. Or something.

After an arc of nothing but selfish, character growth lacking, I'm ready for some character development. Zii's sadism might have been funny to some but I don't find it a "crowning moment of awesome" at all, not even close. Just sheer assholeishness, directed at a kid.

Doesn't mean I didn't laugh at Zii going into the house with the mom... I just wish it'd ended there, or with her changing her sigline. My only hope is that since in this comic, things do have continguity, it'll come into play at a later time and connect with more interesting events. In the end, not everyone's going to like every arc and if someone doesn't agree with your opinion on it doesn't mean that they're obviously sexist men who just want women to be in the kitchen all the time. It has nothing to do with gender issues... it has to do with the fact that this kid is probably going to be scarred for life, whereas Zii will have forgotten in a week that she was ever trolled.

And all that said, I usually find Zii's self-centeredness hilarious. This whole arc, when it started with "I don't know how to use the internet" just threw me off, though. I hope it cuts to Yuki next. I'm in a mood to see some development there, or at least a few more men getting kicked in the nuts.

That said, it would be hilarious if Anegle somehow ends up with one of the supporting cast. I do hope we see more of her and not because I think she's hot at all.

It wasn't my favorite arc. But whatever, I'm not getting my panties in a knot over it. I know I've liked other arcs and I know there'll be others in the future I'll like so I'll keep reading.

[cursormortis]

Not technically true. She wasn't nosing around a geek forum because she was interested for herself. She was doing it because she has no clear idea how to help Gary and was looking around for someone with his interests.

Zii said she was, in her own words, "Checking the scene" for Gary. That does not mean she was actually doing so, as she has shown no problem in lying to get out of problems or into bed, nor does it mean she was looking for girls for Gary. I highly doubt, based on her previous record, that she was trying to find him a girl.

So Zii was on a forum with a bunch of geeks and nerds for her own benefit? I may not like what happened at the end, but that's a pretty darn big leap of faith to try and take. Zii has no reason to lie about what she was doing in this case.

I don't doubt that Zii went on to look on Gary's behalf, but I do doubt she stayed on for him. If she did so, I find it more believable that she was looking for guys. I meant to cast more doubt on the gender she was checking than for whom she looked.

[Suntiger]

I know that if my mom told me that she and my dad were divorcing (which they did, long ago and it hasn't been a bed of roses the last twenty odd years) the last thing I or anybody for that matter would want, is some asshole smirking at me from across the table and basking in my misery like she's king beef!

In the real world that would be tragic. Then again, in the real world, Homer Simpson would be considered a psycopath (as would most of the cast).

And that's the kicker, isn't it? When parents divorce, the kids always tend to believe that it is somehow their fault, though it almost never is.

Now Zii is telling him that she's here just because he gave her lip on a forum. And his mother just told him that if Zii hadn't shown up, she wouldn't have found the backbone to dump his dad. So therefore, his parents are getting divorced, and it's all his fault.

This kid will be in therapy for years, if he doesn't wind up in a clock tower with a rifle first.

Nono, you're forgetting the rules of relationship comedies. Including but not limited to:
- It's impossible for a couple to communicate clearly, there will always be stupid misunderstandings.
- A secret will never be kept for long.
- There's always one relative (or friend) that is opposed to the relationship.
- No action has any serious long term consequences.
- There's always a token creepy/freaky/edgy person included to make everyone else seem normal, when they too actually are exaggerated stereotypes.
- Almost everyone are petty, shallow and take offense at the least slight (imagined or real) and retaliate disproportionally (especially if it's a high school scenario, though the older shows aren't much better).

Alright, that's a bit cynical. There are setting that play things with more variety, and the rules listed can also be handled well (though at least most TV-shows does not...).


Is divorce one of those things that are forbidden to joke about?
This reminds me a bit about Monty Python and when the Holy Grail was released in the US. John Cleese mentioned in an interview that there was a major attitude in both the US media and populace as a whole at the time that "violence and blood is bad", so when they got the the fight scene with the black knight, the theatre suddenly went quiet. People looked at eachother as if they were thinking "What is this? Is this really allowed? Can we laugh at this?".
The comedy of that scene lies of course in that the black knight shows no pain whatsoever, but at the time the US audience was so conditioned to view any violence as bad that it fell flat on its face.

True a fair number of people here do find this funny, but some clearly do not as well.
WCRI's post touched on the whys of it pretty well I think,.

I dunno, a series of strips in which Zii becomes a quadriplegic would be pretty funny. I'm just brainstorming.

It's Zii we're talking about here. She's work at it and eventually be skilled and strong enough to do pushups with her tongue. And still be capable of seducing and satisfy anyone (except Didi).
Alternatively, she might grow tentacles.
I wonder how Yuki would react to that...

[Don Alexander]

The comedy of that scene lies of course in that the black knight shows no pain whatsoever, but at the time the US audience was so conditioned to view any violence as bad that it fell flat on its face.

Times sure have changed, huh??

No it's "PHEAR TEH BOOBZ!"

[TakerFoxx]

Menage a 3 really isn't comparable to things like Monty Python, The Simpsons or even Least I Could Do, in which the world those stories exist in are so obviously over the top that it's possible to have the characters behave just as ridiculously as well (and not even then, as Rayne and Homer have people crying foul at their antics as well). Menage a 3 is drawn and portrayed realistically enough that it might almost pass for the real world. Obviously the characters' personalities and some of the situations are exaggerated for comic effect, but it's still at least somewhat probable that these things could happen in real life. Maybe.

Also, I don't think the negative reaction is directed toward the divorce happening, what with the mutual cheating going on and all. I don't think it's even toward it being paid for comedy. It's just Zii's attitude about the whole thing. Like Swiftwinged Doom said, if I suddenly found out that some random chick had showed up, banged my mom (or at least as far as I can tell) and smirked at me while my mom announced that she was divorcing my dad, all just because of an internet spat, I would plant my fist into that chick's face, gender be damned.

[nhoddity]

You guys, you guys, quit calling Zii evil devil spawn from the bowels of Hell. She didn't go to that house INTENDING to break up his parents marriage. After she couldn't beat him up, I think her main choice for revenge was just to bang his mom. It just so HAPPENED that his dad was a cheating scum bag and she showed the light to Angele that she doesn't need him and I think it all ended up well. Hey, if having lesbo sex with a complete stranger is what Angele needs to help her drop her terrible husband than GREAT. Her life is ready to start thanks to Zii. As for Vincent, well. I'm not gonna say he had his parents' divorce coming or anything like that, but come on, he's a freaking teenager. I don't think them divorcing is seriously gonna wreck his entire life.

[TakerFoxx]

Again, it's true that she didn't intend to break up Angele's marriage and ruin Vyn's family. The part that bothers me is that she didn't mind at all and even gloated about it afterward. That's...just really low. I don't think she's scum and deserves to die, but I have to admit that I'm actually hoping Vyndicator gets some vindication after this (pun so intended )

[Swiftwinged Doom]

Menage a 3 really isn't comparable to things like Monty Python, The Simpsons or even Least I Could Do, in which the world those stories exist in are so obviously over the top that it's possible to have the characters behave just as ridiculously as well (and not even then, as Rayne and Homer have people crying foul at their antics as well). Menage a 3 is drawn and portrayed realistically enough that it might almost pass for the real world. Obviously the characters' personalities and some of the situations are exaggerated for comic effect, but it's still at least somewhat probable that these things could happen in real life. Maybe.

Also, I don't think the negative reaction is directed toward the divorce happening, what with the mutual cheating going on and all. I don't think it's even toward it being paid for comedy. It's just Zii's attitude about the whole thing. Like Swiftwinged Doom said, if I suddenly found out that some random chick had showed up, banged my mom (or at least as far as I can tell) and smirked at me while my mom announced that she was divorcing my dad, all just because of an internet spat, I would plant my fist into that chick's face, gender be damned.

Thank you sir for reinforcing my point. For people who say that they find this funny IT IS NOT! Divorce hurts like a son of a bitch and it's bad enough on its own without somebody else there egging the thing on like it's a TV soap.

[saisix]

Wait wait wait. So you mean to tell me that Zii is so petty that she is going to ruin this kids life over some trolling? I'll admit his father is a horrible person for cheating. But to go in and sleep with his mother, have his father kicked out of the house, and then rub it in his face? I wouldn't feel a shred of pity for Zii if this kid followed her home and butchered her in her sleep.

ZII IS A BITCH!