Dangerously Chloe 1-04-19 Liked Being a Woman

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 1-04-19 Liked Being a Woman

Post by Gotoh » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:31 pm

lordoffiling wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:57 am
I think this comic has been brilliant.

All of the ones that end happily have one thing in common: The succubus always changes herself to suit her human lover. She becomes monogamous for him, or magically transforms onto a human, or something along those lines.
I've seen my share of hentai (succubi included) and that isn't even remotely true. In each of the ones I've seen, such as 'Viper GTS' (the H-game) and 'Words Worth', succubi are shown to be the same as humans. They don't tear their lovers apart, nor is indestructibility required to have sex with them. The worst that happens is, they'll take your soul afterward.

In fact, DC's initial premise is roughly the same as Viper's, except Viper didn't veer off course and remained laser focused on its main plot point: how to get Ogawa together with Carrera (the succubus) without having to give up his soul. They did it by having Carrera be such a nympho, even by succubus standards, that she left the poor guy a withered husk after banging him nonstop for an entire night. So his soul was no longer worth harvesting.

The game ends with Carrera and Mercedes (Carrera's unofficial gf/fwb) moving in with him. Carrera and Mercedes remained succubi and basically quit their jobs and formed a happy threesome.
lordoffilling wrote:So, thank you, Dave and Jason, for giving us something different in this crowded genre.
Being different for the sake of being different isn't necessarily a good thing.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 1-04-19 Liked Being a Woman

Post by cheshire86 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:36 pm

LarsenSan wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:36 pm
So, my rection to this strip was like...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm6o2mdch70
Mine was more like this --

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqPxDYdbgoc

Followed by "Oh, Naomi!"

((studio audience chuckles))

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 1-04-19 Liked Being a Woman

Post by Fluffy » Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:46 pm

I will say this much; the responses in this thread made me chuckle so much more than this comic has in the last four years (no joke - being totally serious).

Good job, fellow forumites! :-bd
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 1-04-19 Liked Being a Woman

Post by TwoWayStar » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:07 pm

*slow claps*

Well played, Pixietrix, well played.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 1-04-19 Liked Being a Woman

Post by LegendaryKroc » Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:16 pm

cheshire86 wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:36 pm
LarsenSan wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:36 pm
So, my rection to this strip was like...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm6o2mdch70
Mine was more like this --

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqPxDYdbgoc

Followed by "Oh, Naomi!"

((studio audience chuckles))
You take your joke cues from Jim Sterling?

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 1-04-19 Liked Being a Woman

Post by brasca » Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:07 pm

lordoffiling wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:57 am
Time to voice an unpopular opinion. Brace yourselves.

I think this comic has been brilliant.

Let me qualify that before you fly into a key clacking frenzy, okay?

There are a lot—and I mean a LOT—of anime and manga about a succubus falling in love with a human. Just, so many. If you factor the hentai in, there might be a metric shit-ton of them. It is thoroughly explored ground.

All of the ones that end happily have one thing in common: The succubus always changes herself to suit her human lover. She becomes monogamous for him, or magically transforms onto a human, or something along those lines.

In other words, they’re all about, “How must the succubus change in order to love a human?” This is the only one I’ve ever even heard of that comes at it from the other direction. How must the human change to love a succubus?

So, thank you, Dave and Jason, for giving us something different in this crowded genre.

It’s an interesting question, by the way. Seriously, put yourself in that position. Say you wanted to be the twue wuv of a succubus.

Now, your knee-jerk reaction is to say, “I wouldn’t!” And you’d be right! This is a terrible idea for all sorts of reasons, you should reconsider! Plenty of fish in the sea and all, especially in this universe.

But let’s say you’ve set yourself on this path and there’s just no changing your mind. You are going to love a succubus. And not just any succubus, a virgin! Let’s also say that you have decided it would be wrong to ask your succubus girlfriend to radically change herself to suit your needs. What would you need to be, yourself, to make this work?

You’d need to be...

#1: Indestructible
If you’re gonna go whole hog on this and insist on being her first, by this universes’ rules you need to be invincible. Able to withstand *both* her ravenous hunger and the unholy violence of the act of coupling. So you need to be a demigod at minimum. (A werewolf might also pull it off. They have demonstrated having plenty of life force to spare. It’s unclear if they’d survive the physical act, though. If they follow standard werewolf rules they can’t die to anything other than silver, so, maybe...? I dunno how they work in this universe as far as that goes.)

#2: Polyamorous
Or good with a vixen/stag relationship, at minimum. Your succubus girlfriend is not gonna be monogamous for you. She has a job to do, and that job is having demonic lust sex with lots and lots of men. She’s purpose-designed by the forces of evil for this role, it’s unrealistic and selfish to ask her to change so fundamentally for you. So, you need to be good with her doing what she was born to do. Oh and by the way, just about all of the men she’s gonna do this with are going to die horribly. Which brings us to...

#3: Morally Bankrupt
You’re basically placing yourself into the loving embrace of a sexual serial killer, here. There’s just no getting around that. She’s literally going to be coming home every night with blood on her hands, it’s her job. You need to be okay with this.

It is worth noting that if you have gained mastery of #2 and #3, there, and you’re good with letting a bunch of randoes take the heat of her virginity rage, you can skip #1. It probably wouldn’t hurt to look into some manner of supernatural enhancement to yourself anyway, unless you want to live your life on the cusp of death by soul draining.

I bring all this up because if you look at it through that lens, the comic has been what it needed to be. Teddy had to reach this place where he’s a morally flexible polyamorous deity, because loving a succubus *won’t work any other way.* Their relationship now has a real chance, whereas before it would have been over the first time Chloe came home covered in human entrails.

Does the comic have flaws? Absolutely. The big one for me is how absent Chloe is, when you consider that it’s her name in the title. But overall it has been a new take on the succubus what-if, and I’ve enjoyed it.

I wonder how many pages are left? What’s left to wrap up?
I wouldn't say it was brilliant, but I am one of the few who has consistently liked this webcomic and felt like my eyes would roll out of my skull with the way some posters complained incessantly. 8-| 8-| 8-|

You make a lot of interesting points like for a change the human adapts to suit their supernatural lover. It's certainly refreshing, but at the same time male characters becoming female is becoming stale. It's the second time a character in this universe has gone through it. Yes it happened briefly to Nina and Naomi, but it was brief or completely off panel in the latter's case, however, it would be an interesting story route to explore in the future.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 1-04-19 Liked Being a Woman

Post by blue zone » Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:43 pm

I am at the point where I think we should line up all the PixieTrix comics to discover when the creators started a serious glue sniffing habit. Does Teddy getting changed into a woman coincide with Gary starting to get pegged in female cosplay? inquiring minds want to know, because that is not when the Fonz got on his skis, but it is definitely the time he hit the ramp.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 1-04-19 Liked Being a Woman

Post by LegendaryKroc » Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:27 am

lordoffiling wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:57 am
Time to voice an unpopular opinion. Brace yourselves.

I think this comic has been brilliant.

Let me qualify that before you fly into a key clacking frenzy, okay?

There are a lot—and I mean a LOT—of anime and manga about a succubus falling in love with a human. Just, so many. If you factor the hentai in, there might be a metric shit-ton of them. It is thoroughly explored ground.

All of the ones that end happily have one thing in common: The succubus always changes herself to suit her human lover. She becomes monogamous for him, or magically transforms onto a human, or something along those lines.

In other words, they’re all about, “How must the succubus change in order to love a human?” This is the only one I’ve ever even heard of that comes at it from the other direction. How must the human change to love a succubus?

So, thank you, Dave and Jason, for giving us something different in this crowded genre.

It’s an interesting question, by the way. Seriously, put yourself in that position. Say you wanted to be the twue wuv of a succubus.

Now, your knee-jerk reaction is to say, “I wouldn’t!” And you’d be right! This is a terrible idea for all sorts of reasons, you should reconsider! Plenty of fish in the sea and all, especially in this universe.

But let’s say you’ve set yourself on this path and there’s just no changing your mind. You are going to love a succubus. And not just any succubus, a virgin! Let’s also say that you have decided it would be wrong to ask your succubus girlfriend to radically change herself to suit your needs. What would you need to be, yourself, to make this work?

You’d need to be...

#1: Indestructible
If you’re gonna go whole hog on this and insist on being her first, by this universes’ rules you need to be invincible. Able to withstand *both* her ravenous hunger and the unholy violence of the act of coupling. So you need to be a demigod at minimum. (A werewolf might also pull it off. They have demonstrated having plenty of life force to spare. It’s unclear if they’d survive the physical act, though. If they follow standard werewolf rules they can’t die to anything other than silver, so, maybe...? I dunno how they work in this universe as far as that goes.)

#2: Polyamorous
Or good with a vixen/stag relationship, at minimum. Your succubus girlfriend is not gonna be monogamous for you. She has a job to do, and that job is having demonic lust sex with lots and lots of men. She’s purpose-designed by the forces of evil for this role, it’s unrealistic and selfish to ask her to change so fundamentally for you. So, you need to be good with her doing what she was born to do. Oh and by the way, just about all of the men she’s gonna do this with are going to die horribly. Which brings us to...

#3: Morally Bankrupt
You’re basically placing yourself into the loving embrace of a sexual serial killer, here. There’s just no getting around that. She’s literally going to be coming home every night with blood on her hands, it’s her job. You need to be okay with this.

It is worth noting that if you have gained mastery of #2 and #3, there, and you’re good with letting a bunch of randoes take the heat of her virginity rage, you can skip #1. It probably wouldn’t hurt to look into some manner of supernatural enhancement to yourself anyway, unless you want to live your life on the cusp of death by soul draining.

I bring all this up because if you look at it through that lens, the comic has been what it needed to be. Teddy had to reach this place where he’s a morally flexible polyamorous deity, because loving a succubus *won’t work any other way.* Their relationship now has a real chance, whereas before it would have been over the first time Chloe came home covered in human entrails.

Does the comic have flaws? Absolutely. The big one for me is how absent Chloe is, when you consider that it’s her name in the title. But overall it has been a new take on the succubus what-if, and I’ve enjoyed it.

I wonder how many pages are left? What’s left to wrap up?
Not sure I'd see a different angle, if that is indeed the writer's intent, on a familiar trope/setup as so great a quality that it overrides as many flaws as this comic has, or that I'd consider that anywhere near my own definition of "brilliant", but thank you for at least being polite about having your particular opinions. I wouldn't have thought that would have to be something I gave someone vocal credit for, but alas...
brasca wrote:
Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:07 pm
I wouldn't say it was brilliant, but I am one of the few who has consistently liked this webcomic and felt like my eyes would roll out of my skull with the way some posters complained incessantly. 8-| 8-| 8-|
Brasca, I've accepted it's pointless to argue the comic's skewy morality with you, but could you please at least stop this tired-ass shit where you try to tar anyone who has criticised this comic for its many flaws with the Debbie Downer brush? Because a) people complaining about something you like is something you should learn to accept, especially if it's something with its share of flaws, b) it's not beneath the creators' dignity to be criticised, or yours to read it if you're not willing to ignore it, and c) moan all you want, but if it really got to you that badly you would probably have left by now. Or maybe not; that Bear chap stuck around long past his welcome, after all.
blue zone wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:43 pm
I am at the point where I think we should line up all the PixieTrix comics to discover when the creators started a serious glue sniffing habit. Does Teddy getting changed into a woman coincide with Gary starting to get pegged in female cosplay? inquiring minds want to know, because that is not when the Fonz got on his skis, but it is definitely the time he hit the ramp.
The exact moment is hard to pinpoint, or even if there's a single moment of glue sniffing habits, but personally, I feel like the biggest is the point when the writer decided that ass comedy and dildos/dicks in asses were the most hysterical fucking things in the world. It's affected every currently active comic in some shape or form. Ironically this one was the least affected.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 1-04-19 Liked Being a Woman

Post by Cortez » Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:56 am

See, there's nothing wrong with pegging or a guy enjoying being pegged.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 1-04-19 Liked Being a Woman

Post by Devil Girl » Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:37 pm

Cortez wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:56 am
See, there's nothing wrong with pegging or a guy enjoying being pegged.
Agreed! I realized it was silly I felt uncomfortable when Ma3 went in that direction, because every guy I've known who's admitted to trying it seemed to love it (and I'm talking hetero/bi guys). It's supposed to actually be beneficial for men's health, too—something to do with the prostate, I think?

I don't think there's a problem with Gary going that way or even exploring sex with other guys. It seems a lot of readers saw themselves in him, and maybe that's why it upsets them? Our society is so filled with boys being taught to hate/fear being perceived feminine/gay it's sad. I hope that changes some day, and I applaud Pixie Trix taking the direction it did with Gary's character—even though it took forever for him to learn to stand up for himself (it was quite satisfying when he finally did).

Dangerously Chloe's storyline annoyed me for completely other reasons (I missed the main character and feel we could have done without a young underage "little sister" turns into a succubus storyline), but with all the slut shaming that was going down in the forum during Teddi's stripping story? I'm completely at peace with how this is ending. Yeah, it's silly, yet still pretty original and funny—especially with Naomi's reaction. I'd say she deserves her own strip, but then again... I felt that way with Chloe when she was part of Eerie Cuties and look what happened to her character?

Maybe we'll find out Chloe was kidnapped by aliens and had a personality transfer or something. :))

Good, bad, or just plain silly, I will miss Pixie Trix, though.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 1-04-19 Liked Being a Woman

Post by LegendaryKroc » Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:29 pm

Cortez wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:56 am
See, there's nothing wrong with pegging or a guy enjoying being pegged.
It's the "let's run this joke into the ground" part of it that really gets me. This comic has a bad habit of doing just that - all of them do really.

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Post by Devil Girl » Wed Apr 03, 2019 3:22 pm

LegendaryKroc wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:29 pm
Cortez wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:56 am
See, there's nothing wrong with pegging or a guy enjoying being pegged.
It's the "let's run this joke into the ground" part of it that really gets me. This comic has a bad habit of doing just that - all of them do really.
It felt like the joke was mostly Gary's initial closed-mindedness, and in the end of Ma3, the pegging seemed less like a joke and more like what some of the characters (but not all) were into. That's okay. I like that it normalized it to some degree—even if there was comedy involved.

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Post by ven » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:12 pm

blue zone wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:43 pm
I am at the point where I think we should line up all the PixieTrix comics to discover when the creators started a serious glue sniffing habit. Does Teddy getting changed into a woman coincide with Gary starting to get pegged in female cosplay? inquiring minds want to know, because that is not when the Fonz got on his skis, but it is definitely the time he hit the ramp.
Well, something has changed, I don't know if it was me, the creators, both, something else entirely, but I think some things have changed.

I was a huge fan of the initial idea of magic chicks and even though there were some strange turns in that comic too, if it weren't for the ending, I would still be happy with that comic. Errie cutie had some interesting developments, but it turned out some of them were just not meant to please me, overall I thought it was ok.

I never was a huge fan of Ma3, most of the characters are just unlikeable and the comedy is lost to me for the most part. I had some hopes with the wrestling storyline for Didi, but that just didn't work out. Having Garry pegged by Peggy is not for me, having Zii end up with Didi isn't something I was rooting for and somehow all of this just ended "wrong".

This comic had an interesting start but it really felt like that's all they had, an idea and a start. After that some stereotypes were pulled out of the drawer, some comedic chaos ensued, the main character was sidelined, and even that wasn't always bad, just not very focused. This ending however, I don't know, was it really the best they could have come up with?
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Post by bridgetvoid » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:21 pm

ven wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:12 pm
blue zone wrote:
Tue Apr 02, 2019 4:43 pm
I am at the point where I think we should line up all the PixieTrix comics to discover when the creators started a serious glue sniffing habit. Does Teddy getting changed into a woman coincide with Gary starting to get pegged in female cosplay? inquiring minds want to know, because that is not when the Fonz got on his skis, but it is definitely the time he hit the ramp.
Well, something has changed, I don't know if it was me, the creators, both, something else entirely, but I think some things have changed.

I was a huge fan of the initial idea of magic chicks and even though there were some strange turns in that comic too, if it weren't for the ending, I would still be happy with that comic. Errie cutie had some interesting developments, but it turned out some of them were just not meant to please me, overall I thought it was ok.

I never was a huge fan of Ma3, most of the characters are just unlikeable and the comedy is lost to me for the most part. I had some hopes with the wrestling storyline for Didi, but that just didn't work out. Having Garry pegged by Peggy is not for me, having Zii end up with Didi isn't something I was rooting for and somehow all of this just ended "wrong".

This comic had an interesting start but it really felt like that's all they had, an idea and a start. After that some stereotypes were pulled out of the drawer, some comedic chaos ensued, the main character was sidelined, and even that wasn't always bad, just not very focused. This ending however, I don't know, was it really the best they could have come up with?
honestly i've been a fan of this author/artist collective since cool cat studios and the one constant i've noticed is that everything has had a really off-putting ending. just across the board it feels like story arcs weren't written ahead of time and things just went in weird directions or petered off awkwardly.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 1-04-19 Liked Being a Woman

Post by blackdaggr » Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:29 pm

Devil Girl wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:37 pm
Cortez wrote:
Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:56 am
See, there's nothing wrong with pegging or a guy enjoying being pegged.
Agreed! I realized it was silly I felt uncomfortable when Ma3 went in that direction, because every guy I've known who's admitted to trying it seemed to love it (and I'm talking hetero/bi guys). It's supposed to actually be beneficial for men's health, too—something to do with the prostate, I think?

I don't think there's a problem with Gary going that way or even exploring sex with other guys. It seems a lot of readers saw themselves in him, and maybe that's why it upsets them? Our society is so filled with boys being taught to hate/fear being perceived feminine/gay it's sad. I hope that changes some day, and I applaud Pixie Trix taking the direction it did with Gary's character—even though it took forever for him to learn to stand up for himself (it was quite satisfying when he finally did).
I think my biggest issue is not that Gary started exploring things in that direction, or that Teddy ended up the way he did. But every single male character in PixieTrix started exploring that direction with only one exception (the guy from MC):

Gary started enjoying pegging
Teddy becomes an androgynous, female-leaning deity
Ace (the werewolf) switches between male and female forms
Kade ends up female for a while too
The entire football team...

The only character who doesn't is Faith's boyfriend (from MC). It's just a rehash of the same thing, and it gets boring and predictable.

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