Dangerously Chloe 4-02-19 This is Crazy

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 4-02-19 This is Crazy

Post by Varanus » Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:58 pm

Zellgato wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:05 am
So.. as "arguing siblings" I see this is as a good moment. Except.. for ya'kno. the banging can a succubus and an incubus even do the do? I feel like there are probably rules against that?
Or like.. why wouldn't that be a thing that came up earlier?
Its been long established that male demons work just fine for a succubus to give up her virginity to, the issue is that none of them will willingly have sex with a virgin succubus. Sure they can survive the damage, but they don't consider it worth the pain.

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Anyway, up until Teddi became a staple of the series I was a big fan of Chloe/Teddy happening. However, like most others my investment in it declined to pretty much zero once Teddi (and now Teddy as well) started sleeping with every other male and female they encountered with the flimsiest of reasons (assuming a reason was even given at times). It doesn't help how uninvested and uninvolved Chloe ended up being in everything. We STILL have no answers as to how she saw her own situation, if she was prepared to die if she couldn't sleep with Teddy, if she had zero other plans, etc. Its difficult to care about her situation of literally dying when she herself doesn't seem to care about it.

If we could have removed at least half the pointless (and tragically usually not even sexy) pseudo porn that defined the Teddi era and replaced it with actual main character interaction and development (with sexy shenanigans as an extra or equal rather than the singular main focus) then I would have been a lot happier with how this series went.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 4-02-19 This is Crazy

Post by Gotoh » Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:44 pm

lordoffiling wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:25 pm
OllieOrOlly wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:51 am
Well, consent or lack thereof has never stopped him before!
How shall I put this...?

Chloe has, for a very long time now, made it perfectly clear that she wants Teddy.
Ollie was referring to the ones who couldn't give proper consent, like Daisy and her friends and all those jocks he's been getting it on with, despite knowing they're under some sort of supernatural influence. So I guess it seems hypocritical (to Ollie) that Teddy suddenly cares whether someone actually consents, as opposed to just getting his rocks off again.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 4-02-19 This is Crazy

Post by Balancer » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:03 pm

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 4-02-19 This is Crazy

Post by LegendaryKroc » Mon Feb 04, 2019 8:50 pm

brasca wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 2:58 pm
lordoffiling wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:25 pm
OllieOrOlly wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:51 am
Well, consent or lack thereof has never stopped him before!
How shall I put this...?

Chloe has, for a very long time now, made it perfectly clear that she wants Teddy. For all sorts of reasons, though beastial life-threatening hunger is chief at the moment. Her consent is not in question.

Ted, on the other hand, could die. His life is in mortal peril right now and he knows it. *His* consent is what is important here, as weird as that sounds to say.

So the sweeping her off her feet bit is important. He’s saying to her, don’t worry about protecting me, I’m here for this.
All very good points, but for the usual naysayers it’s sexual assault unless Teddy gets a written agreement with a notary present. :-B
Well it's not as if Teddy/i secretes mind-altering pheromones that make people stop listening to their rational minds and want to jump his/her bones regardless of prior sexual orientation, personal tastes or even attitude towards him/her, the exact inner workings of which have never been explained and which ergo throw any desire towards him/her and any consent supposedly given thoroughly into doubt for the most part. Oh, wait!

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 4-02-19 This is Crazy

Post by MrsKytro » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:00 am

Fluffy wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:04 am
Be honest - who among us who've been here since the first strip are so invested in this story that you're genuinely moved by this update?
Me :x

I think this is what Dark Teddy was gathering energy for

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 4-02-19 This is Crazy

Post by Fluffy » Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:45 am

MrsKytro wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 12:00 am
Fluffy wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:04 am
Be honest - who among us who've been here since the first strip are so invested in this story that you're genuinely moved by this update?
Me :x

I think this is what Dark Teddy was gathering energy for
I honestly hope that whole 'Dark Teddy' nonsense is explained, at some point.

I'm personally hoping it's not a case of Teddy's subconsciously preparing himself for banging Chloe (because how does banging dudes prepare him for shagging a virgin succubus, anyway?); but Chloe - in her starved state - possessing Teddy via that psychic link they shared and using him as a vessel to feed herself - which would explain why it only happened while he was asleep and why his targets were specifically male.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 4-02-19 This is Crazy

Post by lordoffiling » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:11 am

I don’t think it’s that. He says, while his eyes are all blacked out, “I need to get stronger.”

But, I sincerely doubt banging Chloe is what his dark side is gathering strength for.

Going by the tone of the pages involved, I think it sounds more ominous than anything.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 4-02-19 This is Crazy

Post by Mockery » Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:35 am

Gotoh wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:44 pm
lordoffiling wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:25 pm
OllieOrOlly wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:51 am
Well, consent or lack thereof has never stopped him before!
How shall I put this...?

Chloe has, for a very long time now, made it perfectly clear that she wants Teddy.
Ollie was referring to the ones who couldn't give proper consent, like Daisy and her friends and all those jocks he's been getting it on with, despite knowing they're under some sort of supernatural influence. So I guess it seems hypocritical (to Ollie) that Teddy suddenly cares whether someone actually consents, as opposed to just getting his rocks off again.
Important question: Did Teddi ever become aware that it was her causing that?* She's aware the bullies were under some sort of mental influence, but explicitly thought it was from some other source in the first strip linked. And as for the jocks, did she ever get any indication that they were being led about by anything but their own dicks?

Not that this is completely unproblematic in either case, but especially the former. Teddi at least initially seems to go along with have sex with the bullies under a belief/hope that it would resolve whatever influence they were under, as her understanding placed them in a position where neither the bullies nor her could really consent since from her perspective and knowledge the effect was compelling the bullies to pursue her romantically and not really take no for a permanent answer, any more than he was allowed to decline the soul pact at the beginning of the comic. So she bit the bullet, gave what consent she could, and hoped for the best.

That would be fine(ish) if Teddi didn't repeat it again and again and again with each of the bullies as though expecting a different reaction. Or seem to completely forget that she was very angry with whoever was causing the lust effect and just roll with it. Or pull all of them along for the sixsome.

With the jocks at least, if Teddi is unaware of her pheromones then she has no reason to believe she's not getting extremely enthusiastic consent, but we as readers can be aware that they're unable to say no, just like the bullies--it's just supposed to be funny because this took a hard turn down sex comedy during that arc and with Teddi being incapable of becoming pregnant her repeated encounters are intended to be taken as harmless.

Supposed to be.

Intended to be.

Dangerously Chloe tries to play a lot off as wacky hijinks and have its drama too, but there's an alchemy there that's very hard to get right--Hameln the Violinist is maybe the only work that managed to nail it--and DC struggles with it. Scenes work in isolation, but as a whole it's a bit of a mess, and if you take a second to deconstruct it a non-negligible amount of the humor falls apart explosively.

*"Yes, She did totally did learn about her pheromones here: [link]." is a completely acceptable answer. I took about a year off the comic a while back out of frustration and it's possible I've either forgotten something or skimmed past it.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 4-02-19 This is Crazy

Post by Fluffy » Tue Feb 05, 2019 4:03 am

Mockery wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:35 am
Gotoh wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 4:44 pm
lordoffiling wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:25 pm

How shall I put this...?

Chloe has, for a very long time now, made it perfectly clear that she wants Teddy.
Ollie was referring to the ones who couldn't give proper consent, like Daisy and her friends and all those jocks he's been getting it on with, despite knowing they're under some sort of supernatural influence. So I guess it seems hypocritical (to Ollie) that Teddy suddenly cares whether someone actually consents, as opposed to just getting his rocks off again.
Important question: Did Teddi ever become aware that it was her causing that?* She's aware the bullies were under some sort of mental influence, but explicitly thought it was from some other source in the first strip linked. And as for the jocks, did she ever get any indication that they were being led about by anything but their own dicks?
When it came to the girls, Teddi was well aware they were under a succubus/supernatural influence - she was just unaware that she was the cause of it. Not that it matters, she still took advantage of people she knew weren't in their right minds and boinked them, anyway - with the excuse of 'taking responsibility' for it; whatever that was supposed to mean.

As for the jocks, Teddi should have - at the very least - suspected something was up when the guys suddenly took a liking to him. Logic would say that guys won't suddenly do a complete 180 just because the guy they pushed around not two days prior came back after a weekend looking like a Playboy centerfold. Yes, Teddi was fetching - but *that* fetching?

Teddi didn't even question it, though - just, much like the girls, used the inexplicable change to her advantage.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 4-02-19 This is Crazy

Post by Gotoh » Tue Feb 05, 2019 5:21 am

Mockery wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 3:35 am
Important question: Did Teddi ever become aware that it was her causing that?* She's aware the bullies were under some sort of mental influence, but explicitly thought it was from some other source in the first strip linked. And as for the jocks, did she ever get any indication that they were being led about by anything but their own dicks?
Whether he knows he's the cause, or not, is irrelevant. It's the same as someone coming onto you while they're drunk, or stoned. You don't have to be the one who gave them the booze, or the drugs, to realize they aren't acting normally and that they're in no condition to give proper consent.

A rational, conscientious person would find them some help, or at least get them a cab ride home so they could sober up. Instead, Teddy's solution amounted to trying to screw the drugs/alcohol out their systems. Then he went home and bragged to Pandora about the fun he had doing it.

Fluffy covered what I would've said about the jocks. All I'll add is: He was getting his jollies, despite griping about them only caring about wanting to screw him.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 4-02-19 This is Crazy

Post by Valkog » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:50 am

vampire hunter D wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:48 am
ok, what complaints do you all have about this now?
Well, since you asked...

The layout is goofy, Teddy looks ridiculous in just his pants and trainers with his deformed mutant body, and these two have absolutely zero chemistry to make me care whether one of them dies mid-shag.

Since you asked.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 4-02-19 This is Crazy

Post by dmra » Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:53 am

On the subject of how powerful Teddi's pheromones are we have it on the authority of monster hunters trained to resist cryptid control techniques that they are very powerful indeed and are totally capable of being used to control a human being http://www.dangerouslychloe.com/strips- ... Her_Thrall. But what do they know? It's not as though they're in-world experts on the subject.

And as Mockery pointed out it might excuse Teddi from having sex with the bullies a few times but not doing it over and over with each of them and turning them into his harem/bodyguards.

And the other point about the jocks was even if they were willing to consent to sex with Teddi the reason he was doing the whole thing was to set them up with Chloe because he thought they were legendary enough to survive the experience. Not enjoy it but SURVIVE it. Somehow I doubt he was going to be telling them what they were going to be getting into to.

It's the fact that the people who complain about the people who complain about the comic don't seem to have read it - or who don't believe the evidence presented in it about Teddi's character - that puzzles me.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 4-02-19 This is Crazy

Post by Fluffy » Tue Feb 05, 2019 7:18 am

Valkog wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:50 am
vampire hunter D wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:48 am
ok, what complaints do you all have about this now?
Well, since you asked...

The layout is goofy, Teddy looks ridiculous in just his pants and trainers with his deformed mutant body, and these two have absolutely zero chemistry to make me care whether one of them dies mid-shag.

Since you asked.

But how do you really feel? ;))

But it is reassuring to know I'm not the only one who finds Teddy's 'uber buff' body looks utterly ridiculous - even for what I assume is a body builder's physique. He just looks like he'd fly around the room like a deflating balloon if you punctured any part of his skin).

dmra wrote:
Tue Feb 05, 2019 6:53 am
And the other point about the jocks was even if they were willing to consent to sex with Teddi the reason he was doing the whole thing was to set them up with Chloe because he thought they were legendary enough to survive the experience. Not enjoy it but SURVIVE it. Somehow I doubt he was going to be telling them what they were going to be getting into to.
It still really bothers me that Teddy - not once - told Chloe his exact plans in getting her a boyfriend or asked her if she would be cool with bedding the guy he chose for her; he just assumed she would.

And folks wonder why some of us have a hard time believing there was any real chemistry/love between these two (outside of the obvious lust Chloe had for Teddy).
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 4-02-19 This is Crazy

Post by Error of Logic » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:11 am

Well... I think we all saw this coming. *sigh* I just hope the screwball sex stuff will be over soon and we can get back to the rescue mission. Not to mention reintegrating Naomi.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 4-02-19 This is Crazy

Post by OllieOrOlly » Tue Feb 05, 2019 8:33 am

lordoffiling wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 1:25 pm
OllieOrOlly wrote:
Mon Feb 04, 2019 3:51 am
Well, consent or lack thereof has never stopped him before!
How shall I put this...?

Chloe has, for a very long time now, made it perfectly clear that she wants Teddy. For all sorts of reasons, though beastial life-threatening hunger is chief at the moment. Her consent is not in question.

Ted, on the other hand, could die. His life is in mortal peril right now and he knows it. *His* consent is what is important here, as weird as that sounds to say.

So the sweeping her off her feet bit is important. He’s saying to her, don’t worry about protecting me, I’m here for this.
Thanks for cutting off the comment afterwards that gives context to my remark. I do appreciate being made a bigger snark than I was originally.
And to reiterate another one of my points - I don't dispute it is meant as a romantic gesture, it just doesn't pay off as one due to events preceding it, including the links cited by Gotoh above.
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