brasca wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 12, 2018 6:26 am
dmra wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:23 am
brasca wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:23 am
Well looks like Teddy has regained control and not a moment too soon. Not like I thought anything bad was going to happen.
Nothing bad is going to happen! Something bad has already happened. Or have you not noticed that Naomi has been behaving completely out of character since she was effected by the pheromones? How do you think she's going to feel when she stops being effected by them? Proud of herself? Or maybe completely mortified by how she behaved but with no knowledge as to why?
And that's assuming that she is able to get control of herself back any time soon. The other girl victims of Teddi were under for weeks if not months and as far as we know still are.
You seem to forget that time when Naomi walked in on Teddy in the shower and even went so far as to offer him a hand job. And don't blame Teddy for that. It was all Pandora's manipulation. Needless to say she didn't feel good about that later, but she got over it.
As for those other girls. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it: That was a product of unwittingly getting a massive dose of pheromones during their ill-fated assault on Teddi. Teddi was never aware of those powers and thought the best solution was to let them have their way with her. Not the best idea, but I chalk that up to the succubus blood altering the mind even if Teddi claimed otherwise. You keep comparing the pheromones to rufies, but it's really not the same thing since all those do is knock people out so someone can have their way with them. These magical pheromones make them horny and active participants. So it's not the same thing.
And not so long ago, on a forum very much like this one, you tried to argue that Teddi's repeatedly dressing in skimpy outfits was something you could blame succubus blood & reaper ectoplasm for (No, I'm not letting that go.) against his own stated habit of dressing however he damn well pleases. Does succubus blood just excuse EVERYTHING he does to you?
And before you go saying I can't prove it's not somehow consensual because I don't know 100% how the pheromones work? Maybe not, but this comic used parent-child incest as a punchline. Dave Lumsdon deserves no benefit of the doubt.
Also, if you want to grumble about the definition of roofies? Fine. Let's shift it to an analogy for getting someone drunk so they'll let you have sex with them while you yourself are sober. That's rape. Just ask Cortez, who beat me to the punch.
Fereshte wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:33 am
I think we’ve found where the writers have drawn their line. They’re okay with a woman raping other women (Teddi and the girls as school), or a man raping other men (Teddy with the boys at school), but when it comes to a man raping a woman, the writers put a stop to it (or so it seems. Who knows what the next page will show).
well-documented Double Standards. Just ask TV Tropes.
Double Standard: Rape, Female on Female
and Double Standard: Rape, Male on Male
, for your convenience.
Absinthe Green wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:44 am
Enough with this False-Equivalency Rape-Obsession horseshit.
Equating DC's sexual highjinx-slapstick-goofballing with Actual Sexual Assault demeans & belittles what surviors of Actual Sexual Assault have been put through. Fuck that shit in the eye with a pointed stick.
I found an argument defending this comic's existing direction that went beyond merely annoying or frustrating and actually pisses me off. You want to make a "This is demeaning to real life victims" argument? Well, two can play at that game.
Two of the most ridiculous superstitions surrounding human sexuality are the notions that one can be "cured" of being attracted to any kind of sex besides the opposite one, or "corrupted" in the opposite direction. This has no basis in scientific fact or any kind of real life situation, but it's one of the longest-running, ongoing malicious slanders and the source of many, many hate crimes against people of LGBTQ+ persuasion. And this comic, with its repeated and constant use of characters getting their sexuality mixed up through sex or contact with Teddy or his pheromones, could easily be argued as doing nothing to help with that.
Just look what happened to the bullies. They, presumably, were heterosexual. But an up-close blast of pheromones from Teddi later and wham bam sham-a-lam, they're either bisexual or straight with an obsessive exception for one girl. Brought on, again, by up-close contact with a SEX DEMON. And hell, even in the earliest days of the comic there was material you could call problematic if you wanted, like Pandora gloating
about getting male angels to snog-fight for a chance to smell her hair, playing on their sexual repression.
And you guys remember Lacy, right? Yeah, she was a thing once. Remember we almost got a storyline about her and her sexual confusion? That she was originally saying her two mommies "raised her lesbian" or some shit like that and it would be revealed that actually, no they weren't? She just identified as a lesbian to be like them? Remember the almighty backlash that ensued, resulting in Dave permanently benching that plotline and the strip itself receiving an Orwellian edit to remove it? Well, it's the same principle. The idea that gay or lesbian couples shouldn't have kids because they would force them to share their orientation is a dirty stereotype that still sees use today and he should have known better than to think people would accept the implication it was happening without any direct indication that it wasn't, or at least a message from him clarifying such. And speaking of Orwellian edits, remember that plot arc from Eerie Cuties that included all the girls getting turned into blonde bimbos? Remember that infamous strip that had to be rewritten? Again, same principle.
Or forget orientation, because orientation doesn't equal automatic attraction. Personal taste is a key factor of attraction too. Shame that pheromones override that too
Absinthe Green wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:44 am
Also: interesting to note - the ones that won't STFU about "Supernatural Rape"* seem perfectly cool with the fact that the Girljock posse were out to pummel Teddi into a bloody smear. They can't stop sending the message "Sex Bad. Violence Good."
*thank you for sharing ad nauseam what turns you on, but nobody asked.
I think what I like best about these asinine statements is that Absinthe Green felt the need to get some kind of dig in at us regarding whether Supernatural Rape "turns us on", quote-unquote, making gross assumptions about people he or she has never met in real life of the kind not seen since Vitocap repeatedly accused several of us of being science-denying, sex-hating, radical religious fundamentalists who were out of touch with reality. Stay classy, bro.
But it's like dmra said. We don't think the actions of the bullies are justified, we think that two wrongs don't make a right, and getting one's sexual preference rewritten in realtime is not a proportionate response. But by all means, keep twisting our words and making bullshit assumptions. You're the one who's going to look ignorant and misinformed.