Dangerously Chloe 25-12-17 Clothes Jumping Thingy

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 25-12-17 Clothes Jumping Thingy

Post by Master of 7s » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:35 am

Gotoh wrote:
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How hard is to explain that a couple of teenagers were threatening a child? Nothing more needs to be said beyond that. It'd be up to Tandy and Gabrielle to explain why they did it and neither one could risk divulging the truth about their school.
Then the cops show up and see a little girl with horns, wings, and a tail that you could maybe pass off as cosplay if the cops are complete idiots. Otherwise it's just more questions.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 25-12-17 Clothes Jumping Thingy

Post by Gotoh » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:07 am

@Master of 7s: We've seen that Chloe can hide her own wings and horns, so she can just as easily do the same for Abby.
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Oh, please! Did you see the size of that thing? That's only the tip of one of its tentacles and I somehow doubt Tiffany - or the twins - could have held their breath long enough for Tiffany to kill the thing before running out of air.
So you're saying she cut one tentacle and the kraken just gave up and let them go? I'd find that hard to believe, especially given the title.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 25-12-17 Clothes Jumping Thingy

Post by Fluffy » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:58 am

And you think Tiffany could have held her breath long enough to slay something that size - and save two children, who were also underwater - before her lungs gave out? And have time to grab a souvenir, while she was at it?

There's suspending disbelief; but that's pushing it.

I'm more inclined to believe the kraken tried to grab Tiffany's leg, and she used her blade to cut off that part of the tentacle. Losing any part of a limb would no doubt hurt like Hell - even for a kraken - and while it nursed its boo boo, Tiffany took the opportunity presented by its distraction, grabbed the girls and fled to the surface. With the injury it sustained, the kraken chose not to pursue something that fought back.

Also, the 'slay' part in the title doesn't necessarily mean physically killing something. In this day and age, 'slay' is slang for successfully accomplishing something. In this case, Tiffany didn't necessarily have to kill the kraken in order to slay.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 25-12-17 Clothes Jumping Thingy

Post by tau neutrino » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:01 pm

Gotoh wrote:
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@JoybuzzerX: The part about Layla and Steph being friends only applies to VC/PMS' canon. In EC/MC's canon, the cheer vamps and PMS crew don't exist.
I have a theory that the VC/PMS continuity is a "Flashpoint" style alteration of the C-verse history by the Moth-men. So in the C-verse there might be a Stephanie Kane whose parents didn't die and she never founded PMS.
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@Master of 7s: We've seen that Chloe can hide her own wings and horns, so she can just as easily do the same for Abby.
No she can't. There's no logical reason for it, and if she could, she would have done it as soon as they were in the park.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 25-12-17 Clothes Jumping Thingy

Post by Gotoh » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:27 pm

tau neutrino wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:01 pm
No she can't. There's no logical reason for it
If the point is to teach Abby to control her own powers, then no, Chloe would have no reason to. But that doesn't mean it isn't possible for her.

Or did you forget the time Tia was teaching Nina how to clothed herself while they were in Layla's psyche, 'til Tia became exasperated and did it for her.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 25-12-17 Clothes Jumping Thingy

Post by Fluffy » Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:47 pm

Chloe isn't Tia, though; they're not even the same type of demon. Tia is - essentially - a goddess. Chloe is an average demon, by comparison.

There's never been any indication that a succubus can change how others look; outside of injecting them with succubus blood, of course (or incredibly strong magic - which Chloe only had access to when wearing the doom panties; which - apparently - belonged to Tia, as they were used to summon her from Hell and have ceased to exist since). If Chloe had the ability to make Abby's new appendages disappear for her, what's stopping her from just changing Abby back into a human?
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 25-12-17 Clothes Jumping Thingy

Post by Gotoh » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:07 pm

Fluffy wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:47 pm
Chloe isn't Tia, though. Tia is - essentially - a goddess. Chloe is an average demon, by comparison.
Chloe may not have the same levele of power, but that still doesn't mean it isn't possible for her. For example: she's a succubus, while Jacqui's a witch. Yet, both of them can use glam spells to make themselves appear however they want.
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If Chloe had the ability to make Abby's new appendages disappear for her, what's stopping her from just changing Abby back into a human?
Besides the fact that Abby doesn't want to and Chloe's accomodating her?

And I didn't say anything about changing Abby back. I'm saying it's not out of the question that Chloe could use something like a glam spell to hide Abby's demon parts.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 25-12-17 Clothes Jumping Thingy

Post by Fluffy » Thu Dec 28, 2017 6:48 pm

On themselves - sure. But Jacqui can also cast them on others. Outside of the time she was corrupted by the Doompanties, Chloe has never shown she's capable of doing this.

And if you think that the only reason Chloe wouldn't change Abby back into a human was because she was humoring her; why wouldn't she have changed Teddy back into a boy back when she first injected him with her blood; accidentally turning Teddy into her twin, as a result? Back then, the threat to his life wasn't even an issue - so nothing would have stopped her from changing him back into a boy; or using a glam spell to make him look like normal until the side effects ran its course.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 25-12-17 Clothes Jumping Thingy

Post by Gotoh » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:00 pm

Fluffy wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:58 am
And you think Tiffany could have held her breath long enough to slay something that size - and save two children, who were also underwater - before her lungs gave out? And have time to grab a souvenir, while she was at it?

There's suspending disbelief; but that's pushing it.
It's long been established that Tiff's physical capabilities far exceeds what's humanly possible, such as the distances she can leap across rooftops, or the extremity of her daily routine, or the fact that she punched Cerise several feet into the air.

Given what we've already seen of her in action, what you described is hardly a stretch. It'd be par for the course by MC and anime standards, in general.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 25-12-17 Clothes Jumping Thingy

Post by tau neutrino » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:04 pm

Gotoh wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 5:27 pm
tau neutrino wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:01 pm
No she can't. There's no logical reason for it
If the point is to teach Abby to control her own powers, then no, Chloe would have no reason to. But that doesn't mean it isn't possible for her.

Or did you forget the time Tia was teaching Nina how to clothed herself while they were in Layla's psyche, 'til Tia became exasperated and did it for her.
There's no logical reason for Chloe to be able to make another succubus's horns disappear just because she can do it to her own. She's never been shown to use glamour, just shapechanging for herself.

Tia was altering the mental landscape that she and Nina were both in. Totally different situation.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 25-12-17 Clothes Jumping Thingy

Post by Gotoh » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:43 pm

tau neutrino wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:04 pm
There's no logical reason for Chloe to be able to make another succubus's horns disappear just because she can do it to her own.
Logic disagrees with you, because you can't teach someone else without knowing how to do it yourself first. Which is why Tia was able to instruct Nina while they were in Layla's psyche and she took over when she saw Nina was struggling with it.

In much the same way that a driving instructor can take over for a student driver, if it becomes necessary.
tau neutrino wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:04 pm
Tia was altering the mental landscape that she and Nina were both in. Totally different situation.
Not unless you read a different comic. Tia did not alter the landscape, she projected clothing for Nina.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 25-12-17 Clothes Jumping Thingy

Post by X3N0-Life-Form » Fri Dec 29, 2017 4:25 pm

@Gotoh: Tau talked about mental landscape, not a literal landscape, probably referring to the mental reality surrounding them, of which Tia altered a small subset of, namely Nina's appearance.

Also, I think you two are talking past each other : you seem to be talking about Chloe teaching Abby how to make her horns & stuff disappear, while @tau neutrino is talking about Chloe using her powers to make Abby's horns & co disappear.

Which is why tn is saying that the two situations are different despite sharing the theme of altering one's appearance, obviously a mental reality is going to allow for a different set of rules compared to the real world, so altering yourself or someone else might not be difficult, while in the real world shape-shifting yourself is easy but shifting someone else's features is hard or impossible.

You on the other hand are just giving an example of a character teaching another about an ability they share, which is obviously not unique to either situation.

(Hoping that post made sense)

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 25-12-17 Clothes Jumping Thingy

Post by Gotoh » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:25 pm

@X3N0-Life-Form: I get what tau's saying, I'm simply saying it doesn't make sense.

To use a (hopefully) better analogy: it'd be like a seamstress teaching a student how to make alterations to their clothing. She can give instruction by talking them through it, or, if necessary, she can simply make the alteration for them.

Using tau's logic, he'd say: there's no reason to assume the seamstress can do that for her student, just because the she knows how to do it herself.

Whereas I'm saying: it wouldn't be possible for her to teach them if she couldn't.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 25-12-17 Clothes Jumping Thingy

Post by Fluffy » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:35 pm

Yes, Chloe can teach (or try to teach) Abby how to make her horns et al vanish from sight; however, this does not mean Chloe can make Abby's appendages disappear for her. Outside of using the doompanties (which no longer exist) and literally injecting someone with her blood (which had side effects that she wasn't even aware of until it happened), Chloe had never shown she's had the ability to transmutate/cast glamours on others.

If she did, there would be no reason for Teddy to be posing as a female after his forced gender swap.
Gotoh wrote:
Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:00 pm
Given what we've already seen of her in action, what you described is hardly a stretch. It'd be par for the course by MC and anime standards, in general.
For Tiffany, maybe (and even then, theres a big difference between regulating your breath while exercising and holding your breath under water for several minutes).

But, for the Melissa's - who didn't get a real chance to catch a breath before being pulled under - far less plausible.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 25-12-17 Clothes Jumping Thingy

Post by Gotoh » Fri Dec 29, 2017 8:04 pm

Fluffy wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:35 pm
Chloe has never shown she's had the ability to transmutate/cast glamours on others.
There's a lot of things we don't see the other characters do, yet we still determine certain things should be within the realm of possibility for them. If Chloe can use a glam on herself, it's hardly a stretch to think she may be able to use one on someone else.

Just because she hasn't yet, doesn't mean that she can't. And even if she can, there's no reason to assume she necessarily would.
Fluffy wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:35 pm
If she did, there would be no reason for Teddy to be posing as a female after his forced gender swap.
I can think of two reasons:
  • 1. Because Teddy had already told Chloe that he wouldn't mind being a girl again and later told Pandora it was liberating for him.
  • 2. It's been deemed for the best, until they can find someone resilient enough to survive punching Chloe's v-card.
Fluffy wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:35 pm
But, for the Melissa's - who didn't get a real chance to catch a breath before being pulled under - far less plausible.
That depends on how long it took Tiff to slay the kraken and get the twins to the surface. And we've seen evidence that Tiff can move quickly when she has to.

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