Dangerously Chloe 30-10-17 Pinching My Back

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 30-10-17 Pinching My Back

Post by Suntiger » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:47 pm

Haha, I guess she found out the horns aren't just decorative. :))
Effect is likely exaggerated by it being a new sensory organ too. As if you suddenly got the ability to taste things through your hands as well as your tongue/mouth. A bit of sensory overload until the body adjusts.
I like how, along with the dark undertones exaggerated to absurdity, sex in DC is something approached with some humor a well. Too many comics (and films and games), even ones geared towards comedy, treats sex like some super serious subject that must not be joked about or refrain from showing it entirely.

Edit: Ugh, why do I read the forums...
dmra wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:32 am
Leaving aside the age issue Abby gains tails, horns and wings and the first "joke" we get is her getting off on touching her horns. Which is just a variation on the incredibly lame gender switch cliche where the first thing every boy whose turned female does is stare down their shirt and grope their new breasts.

It's such an old joke that it's pretty much fossilised and about as funny as fossils usually are.
I'd argue it's not the same. Boys touching their boobs the first thing they do when turned into a girl is an old cliché, but they also know what boobs are and how they work (and sometimes, how they feel). Abby knows what horns are, but not how they work. The pleasure sensations were a surprise.
Now, if the next thing she does is keep touching her horns in the next strip, then yes, it's the same old trope in a slightly different form.
Fluffy wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:22 pm
lordoffiling wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:34 pm
I’m not denying the event, I’m saying it isn’t anything close to being child porn.
It's an 11-12 year old character reaching orgasm. It's sexualizing a child - thus, child porn; or damned near close to it.

You don't need exposed naughty bits to make something overtly sexual (case in point - this recent update).
Disagree. Sexualizing Abby would be if her having an orgasm from touching the new horns were something intended to titillate the viewer.
That's not how it's drawn. Which brings me to:
dmra wrote:
Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:08 pm
"This is a long distance from being what pedophiles would seek out so who gives a crap."

My wife used to work counselling convicted paedophiles and shared quite a lot of horrible stories. Trust me an awful lot of paedophiles would find the idea of a girl as old as Abby bringing herself to climax very arousing indeed.
Yes, some paedophiles would absolutely find this strip arousing anyway, despite it not being drawn to titillate. However, those same paedophiles also trawl facebook and other social media site looking for family photos of trips to the beach, kids eating icecream or bananas and kids playing in the sprinkler in the yard because they are aroused by the pictures of the kids in swimsuits and shorts, despite those pictures not being sexualized of made for titillation either.
Intent and context matters.
With this strip, at least in my mind, not being drawn to titillate, it is not sexualized and any such experience is therefore the product of the viewer.
You can dislike it and say so, but not argue that it shouldn't be drawn because some people may find it arousing. Way too close to thought crimes for my comfort. As well as reinforcing the idea that sexual discovery/awakening in underage people is bad and wrong. What a nice message to send.

As always when it comes to sex, educate and inform. Including kids.
This is how your body changes. It's natural and nothing wrong with it, but it will likely be frustrating and annoying as well as fun and pleasurable. Also here are some health risks that will come with it, and here's how you deal with them.
Also the social aspects. Be mindful of others when it comes to sex/arousal. Basic rule is look but don't touch without permission.
Be aware that there are people who will try to use and abuse you. Here's how to deal with them.

Ok, that got very tangential to the strip, but it's something that relates to a topic I've seen mishandled so many times by adults being either too repressed, too ignorant or too cowardly to handle up front and matter-of-factley.

It's like giving someone a car and go: Here's your first car! You steer with the steering wheel and it has blinky lights. Um, don't drive on all the roads, some of them are bad (but not saying which of them are bad), and there are rules you have to follow. There's a book about those rules in the glove department - you should take a look at them. Here are the keys, drive carefully!

My apologies for this somewhat tangential rant. :)

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 30-10-17 Pinching My Back

Post by dmra » Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:29 pm

"You can dislike it and say so, but not argue that it shouldn't be drawn because some people may find it arousing. Way too close to thought crimes for my comfort. As well as reinforcing the idea that sexual discovery/awakening in underage people is bad and wrong. What a nice message to send."

As I've said before I haven't called for the strip to be withdrawn or rewritten. I have just said that I specifically don't like them showing a very young girl getting aroused for the sake of a pretty terrible and unoriginal joke. If they were making a serious point - even in a comic manner - about an under age people discovering their sexuality I probably wouldn't have a problem with it. After all I've watched performances of "Romeo and Juliet" without being morally outraged because Juliet is only 13.

Now I don't expect the writers of this comic to hit the dramatic heights of Shakespeare but I do find they've got increasingly lazy and one track in their writing. They could have gone anywhere with a joke about Abby discovering her new appendages but oh look they went for the easy one of "If I stroke this something strange happens and I feel all tingly". As I also said before they seem to be determined to make this comic more like a MA3 style sex comedy than they do in following the original concept of DC as an off the wall romance between a succubus who was reluctant to doom her "client" to Hell.

And finally on the general point of censorship in this comic a couple of things.

Firstly a while back I asked a question which nobody answered. It may have just been a bad question but I'll ask it again anyway. If Abby had turned herself on by stroking her breasts rather than her horns would it make a difference to how this scene was perceived and received?

I think it would and I'd be willing to bet that the creators wouldn't have dreamed of showing that.

Secondly, there are loads of things that young people might do - and indeed some young people do do - that this comic will never show.

I gave the example of smoking earlier. I can't remember a single comic strip in DC where anybody - adult of child - has as so much as lit a cigarette but we all know that some under age children smoke. And even if the fans were happy to see that happen it won't either because the creators don't approve of smoking or the advertisers won't.

Speaking of which we know that because of advertisers this strip won't ever show a female nipple. Yet last time I checked most women had two. And we've seen loads of women without their clothes on but never once a fully complete anatomically correct mammary gland.

So it's hardly true to present the creators as not going along with censorship when they're doing it all the time. They may have chosen to strike a blow for artistic freedom by showing Abby getting her rocks off but personally I don't think it even ever occurred to them that they were doing something transgressive in the first place.

My apologies for my rant too.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 30-10-17 Pinching My Back

Post by Roborat » Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:32 pm

I see someone else also made the To-Love-Ru connection. That reaction is what I expected when I saw her touching her tail. I also didn't realize the horns were quite that sensitive.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 30-10-17 Pinching My Back

Post by MrsKytro » Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:29 pm

I don't think it's quite fair to ask how we'd feel if it was breasts (and the point about cigarettes is really left-field) - there's a whole suite of cultural background to those images that you're drawing on.
Horns? I got nothing except what the context the comic has provided.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 30-10-17 Pinching My Back

Post by dmra » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:20 am

So, if I'm reading you right what you're saying is that the important thing isn't the portrayal of an underage girl getting sexually aroused but the way in which she sexually arouses herself.

Or, to out it another way, so long as Abby got sexual pleasure from something any girl could do it would be unacceptable to show it but as long as it's done in a unconventional way there's no issue.

That's one way of looking at it I suppose but I'd still rather the creators opted not to show under age girls getting sexually aroused in any circumstances In much the same way that they wouldn't dream of showing Abby smoking even though some children do smoke while underage..

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 30-10-17 Pinching My Back

Post by Mandy » Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:59 am

No. The scene works, because it's a joke. If Abby were stroking boobs, the joke wouldn't be there and the context would be different. This strip's joke honestly feels like a variation of slapstick... and you're basically over there complaining that they'd show Moe poking Curly in the eye and asking if it would still be acceptable if Moe stabbed Curly in the eye.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 30-10-17 Pinching My Back

Post by dmra » Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:10 am

Oh I got that this was meant to be a joke. It was just not a very funny or original one. I didn't laugh much when Teddi discovered the joy of female masturbation earlier in the comic either. Having seen the "I've got boobs wow..." moment or variants of it in every single gender change anime or manga for example it's become a groan worthy moment I can't wait for the creators to get our of their system.

The fact that they replayed the same tired and lame cliche using somebody who was massively underage was just the icing on the cake.

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I guess you could say she's... horny?

Post by DehTommy » Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:01 pm

Dangerously Chloe
~Seeing an 11-12 year old girl climax via horn stimulation.

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