Re: Dangerously Chloe 25-09-17 Overdid the Shape Shifting
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:00 pm
But he never did.
And she never mentioned it.
And she never mentioned it.
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He's curious about how mechanical things work, but not cryptids in general. He never asked whether vampires were real and then put that conversation off for another day. He already knows a friend who's helping them figure it out, Pandora. Her other classmate, Torrid Intrigue, was going to kill him. He's met Chloe's mentor and teacher figure: Sgt. Slash-stab, who Chloe is definitely trying to keep in the dark.X3N0-Life-Form wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:50 pmMy point is that regardless of what he thinks he knows about succubi (or even what we know) or has seen, the most logical and to the point thing to do is ask a bunch of very simple questions :
Do succubi have parents ?
Do you have any sort of mentor figure or teacher or friend that could help us figure this out ?
But as far as we know, he hasn't discussed the issue with Chloe at all, which I find a bit odd given his previously established curious nature and practical mind, especially given the length of time involved. Now, it's OK to bend characterization a bit in a comedy from time to time for the sake of a joke, but the last few chapters have been rather lackluster in that regard.
Again, that only works if Teddy knows who Mel is and the circumstances of her birth.Gotoh wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:10 pmIf you're gonna quote a post, then do it in context.tau neutrino wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:11 pmThat only makes sense if you know what the *C-verse is.
That was in response to Error of Logic saying Teddy shouldn't assume Chloe has parents, on the grounds that she isn't human. My point was it doesn't matter that she isn't human, she still has parents regardless. Nor does Teddy have reason to assume otherwise, unless he somehow thinks she just poofed into existence. And the closest you'll get to that, is Mel.
Like I said before, spirits and angels usually are thought of as not being born. Do you think angels in DC have parents? The youmu in Beyond the Boundary arise from human negative emotions. Traditionally, demons have been thought of as incapable of reproduction. Them having families is a recent concept in a few works like the *C-verse and Rosario+Vampire. Families lasting beyond the offspring achieving maturity is rare outside of primates. If Teddy looked up "Succubus" in Wikipedia he'd see
Chloe eviscerated her father when she clawed her way out of him. This was probably the funniest chapter in the series; did people forget about it?
For Chloe, that could be explained that she has no reason to think Adora would help besides getting a new victim. She was the one who urged Chloe to go to Tarturus in the first place, knowing how they handled succubi losing their virginity since she went there herself. If Adora did show up, there would be the uncomfortable fact that she killed her first few lovers as well as Chloe's father.Error of Logic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 8:53 pmThere really isn't. And yet it appears they have both failed to do so anyway.
It's hardly a recent concept, or have you never heard of 'The Addams Family', which was a sitcom from the 60s (it originally debuted as a cartoon strip back in the 30s). Or the fact that Alucard (Dracula's son) predates the Castlevania series.tau neutrino wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:50 pmTraditionally, demons have been thought of as incapable of reproduction. Them having families is a recent concept in a few works
First, transferring to Tartarus was Chloe's idea, not her mom's. Second, why would she think her mom wouldn't be able to help her?tau neutrino wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:50 pmFor Chloe, that could be explained that she has no reason to think Adora would help besides getting a new victim. She was the one who urges Chloe to go to Tarturus in the first place.
OK, I see your point about selective curiosity, that's something I've seen in action. However :tau neutrino wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:50 pmHe's curious about how mechanical things work, but not cryptids in general. He never asked whether vampires were real and then put that conversation off for another day. He already knows a friend who's helping them figure it out, Pandora. Her other classmate, Torrid Intrigue, was going to kill him. He's met Chloe's mentor and teacher figure: Sgt. Slash-stab, who Chloe is definitely trying to keep in the dark.X3N0-Life-Form wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:50 pmMy point is that regardless of what he thinks he knows about succubi (or even what we know) or has seen, the most logical and to the point thing to do is ask a bunch of very simple questions :
Do succubi have parents ?
Do you have any sort of mentor figure or teacher or friend that could help us figure this out ?
But as far as we know, he hasn't discussed the issue with Chloe at all, which I find a bit odd given his previously established curious nature and practical mind, especially given the length of time involved. Now, it's OK to bend characterization a bit in a comedy from time to time for the sake of a joke, but the last few chapters have been rather lackluster in that regard.
The Addams Family were portrayed as weird humans with magic, not demons. The shinigami in Bleach are the spirits of dead humans who were brought to the Soul Society. Almost all of them have no memory of their previous life in the world of the living. The biggest example, Rukia Kuchiki, had someone who came across with her that she thought was her sister, but doesn't have parents. She was adopted into a noble household, which might be the standard practice. The Arrancar don't have parents since they're Hollows transformed after eating other Hollows. The Wikipedia entry shows the common folklore and myths that Teddy could find out. He wouldn't know the *C-verse played fast and loose with the truth unless a cryptid told him or he was a reader of the webcomic.Gotoh wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:42 pmIt's hardly a recent concept, or have you never heard of 'The Addams Family', which was a sitcom from the 60s (it originally debuted as a cartoon strip back in the 30s). Or the fact that Alucard (Dracula's son) predates the Castlevania series.tau neutrino wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:50 pmTraditionally, demons have been thought of as incapable of reproduction. Them having families is a recent concept in a few works
And in anime and manga, there are numerous series featuring nonhuman families; including 'Bleach' and 'So, I Can't Play H!' which both involve entire households of shinigami nobility. And since the *C-verse plays fast and lose with folklore and mythology (such as vampires being born and capable of reproduction) the wiki excerpt you linked to is pointless.
Which is also the reason Teddy doesn't need to read a comic to know Chloe has a mom, since all he has to do is ask her.
No, her mother brought it up. As for her reasons, I already stated them.Gotoh wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2017 5:42 pmFirst, transferring to Tartarus was Chloe's idea, not her mom's. Second, why would she think her mom wouldn't be able to help her?tau neutrino wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:50 pmFor Chloe, that could be explained that she has no reason to think Adora would help besides getting a new victim. She was the one who urges Chloe to go to Tarturus in the first place.
A reliable succubus would be one that upheld the traditions and encouraged Chloe to finish her assignment. That's why he listens to a misfit like Pandora.X3N0-Life-Form wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:16 pmtau neutrino wrote: ↑Thu Oct 05, 2017 2:50 pmHe's curious about how mechanical things work, but not cryptids in general. He never asked whether vampires were real and then put that conversation off for another day. He already knows a friend who's helping them figure it out, Pandora. Her other classmate, Torrid Intrigue, was going to kill him. He's met Chloe's mentor and teacher figure: Sgt. Slash-stab, who Chloe is definitely trying to keep in the dark.X3N0-Life-Form wrote: ↑Wed Oct 04, 2017 2:50 pmMy point is that regardless of what he thinks he knows about succubi (or even what we know) or has seen, the most logical and to the point thing to do is ask a bunch of very simple questions :
Do succubi have parents ?
Do you have any sort of mentor figure or teacher or friend that could help us figure this out ?
But as far as we know, he hasn't discussed the issue with Chloe at all, which I find a bit odd given his previously established curious nature and practical mind, especially given the length of time involved. Now, it's OK to bend characterization a bit in a comedy from time to time for the sake of a joke, but the last few chapters have been rather lackluster in that regard.
He's actually got some good info off Pandora, but in general her trustworthyness is rather limited. Case in point, he's been looking for a suitable male to fuck Chloe for weeks, Pandora has known about this for a good while now, but she's only telling him now that it's basically pointless. Basically, I think she doesn't believe Teddy can solve this, but lets him try anyway to have a good laugh at his failed attempts to do so. Or get a good fuck off a mortal, as the case may be.
Finally, I can't lookup the relevant chapter in the archives, but does Teddy actually knows what Slashstab's relation to the girls is ? And even if he did, I'd expect Chloe to have more than one teacher, so he could ask if she knew someone more likely to be helpful. Hell, forget about other teachers, assuming he knows Sarge is a teacher/mentor, he could straight ask Chloe "Hey, maybe that teacher of yours could help ?". Chloe would of course say "hell no", but even a single panel of interaction between the two, talking about the issue would give the story more volume. Chloe's supposed to be the object that has driven the past 3-4 chapters, but she's only made a handful of apparances and we don't know what she thinks of her current predicament.
They were originally a nuclear family, but later adaptations had Gomez and Morticia being vampires and, presumably, so was their daughter Wednesday. Herman was a Frankenstein and no one knew what cousin It was suppose to be, other than a mass of hair.tau neutrino wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:25 pmThe Addams Family were portrayed as weird humans with magic, not demons.
That only applied to Rukia and her older sister, Hisana. However, most of the Gotei 13 were born in Soul Society. It's the reason the elders of Byakuya's family opposed his marriage to Hisana, because she wasn't a true shinigami and because she was a commoner.tau neutrin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:25 pmThe shinigami in Bleach are the spirits of dead humans who were brought to the Soul Society.
Which one makes sense: looking up some wiki article, or asking the real thing who happens to be living with him? Or are you choosing to ignore that fact?tau neutrino wrote:Wed Jun 24, 1970 3:39 pmThe Wikipedia entry shows the common folklore and myths that Teddy could find out.
Adora may have told her about Tartarus, but the decision to transfer was still Chloe's. It's no different than you making a suggestion to a friend. It's still their decision whether to take the suggestion, or not.tau neutrino wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 1970 3:39 pmNo, her mother brought it up. As for her reasons, I already stated them.
Herman? Vampires? Sounds like you're getting the Addams mixed up with The Munsters.Gotoh wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:51 pmThey were originally a nuclear family, but later adaptations had Gomez and Morticia being vampires and, presumably, so was their daughter Wednesday. Herman was a Frankenstein and no one knew what cousin It was suppose to be, other than a mass of hair.tau neutrino wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:25 pmThe Addams Family were portrayed as weird humans with magic, not demons.
That's not most of the Gotei 13. Is that officially stated? Demons would be be identified with the Arrancar, if Teddy knew about Bleach in the first place. How does shinigami reproducing at whatever level mean succubi do too?Gotoh wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:51 pmThat only applied to Rukia and her older sister, Hisana. However, most of the Gotei 13 were born in Soul Society. It's the reason the elders of Byakuya's family opposed his marriage to Hisana, because she wasn't a true shinigami and because she was a commoner.tau neutrino wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 3:25 pmThe shinigami in Bleach are the spirits of dead humans who were brought to the Soul Society.
Ukitake and Shunsui were also born in SS, as noted in their bios in the official character book 'Souls'. So was Sui-Féng and her family, which served the Shihoun Clan. So the point still stands. The shinigami could reproduce.
As shown with vampires, he has no interest in delving into cryptids. He'd just remain at the level of common knowledge instead of grilling Chloe about it.Gotoh wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:51 pmWhich one makes sense: looking up some wiki article, or asking the real thing who happens to be living with him? Or are you choosing to ignore that fact?tau neutrino wrote:Wed Jun 24, 1970 3:39 pmThe Wikipedia entry shows the common folklore and myths that Teddy could find out.
It was a mutual decision. Adora would have to approve it after all. Chloe was feeling desperate after hurting her friends. She doesn't think Adora won't help her, just that her help would be convincing Chloe to kill Teddy or someone else, just like Adora presumably did when she experienced it.Gotoh wrote: ↑Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:51 pmAdora may have told her about Tartarus, but the decision to transfer was still Chloe's. It's no different than you making a suggestion to a friend. It's still their decision whether to take the suggestion, or not.tau neutrino wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 1970 3:39 pmNo, her mother brought it up. As for her reasons, I already stated them.
Also, you did not give any reason Adora wouldn't be willing to help Chloe, because as your own link shows, she's helped her in the past. Adora even tells her: "I haven't always been a grown up, you know, I've experienced this too." Funny how Chloe seems to have forgotten that.
If you click the link to the Addams Family page, you'll see one of them (I forget his name) is a Frankenstein monster. Though you're correct that I got him confused with Herman Munster.tau neutrino wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:52 pmHerman? Vampires? Sounds like you're getting the Addams mixed up with The Munsters.
Yes, the character book 'Souls', 'The Official Bootleg' (it's the actual title of the second book), and 'Unmasked' are all official supplementary material to 'Bleach'. I didn't go over the entire Gotei since I didn't feel it was necessary. The majority of them were in fact, born in Soul Society because the shinigami can reproduce just as humans can.tau neutrino wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:52 pmThat's not most of the Gotei 13. Is that officially stated? Demons would be be identified with the Arrancar, if Teddy knew about Bleach in the first place. How does shinigami reproducing at whatever level mean succubi do too?
Teddy: "Hey, Chloe, do you have parents?"tau neutrino wrote:Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:52 pmAs shown with vampires, he has no interest in delving into cryptids. He'd just remain at the level of common knowledge instead of grilling Chloe about it.
When and where did Chloe say that?tau wrote:Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:52 pmShe doesn't think Adora won't help her, just that her help would be convincing Chloe to kill Teddy or someone else, just like Adora presumably did when she experienced it.
...you mean do what a succubus is supposed to do in order to survive?tau neutrino wrote: ↑Sun Oct 08, 2017 2:52 pmShe doesn't think Adora won't help her, just that her help would be convincing Chloe to kill Teddy or someone else, just like Adora presumably did when she experienced it.