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Re: Dangerously Chloe 18-09-17 Banged Yo Mama

Post by Zafnak » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:46 am

"Vegeta, what does the scouter say her bad karma level is?"

"It's OVER NINE THOUSAND!!!!!"

"What? Nine thousand?! There's no way that can be right!"

"This *is* Pandora we're talking about."

"...Oh, right."

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 18-09-17 Banged Yo Mama

Post by Starphoenix » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:10 am

OllieOrOlly wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:26 am
Pandora is a one-note character, which is perfectly fine, yet since she has dominated both screen time and impact on the plot, it becomes increasingly less entertaining.
I think you touch upon the crux of the current problem. Pandora as a flat character, lacks any actual development that acts as an anchor for any attachment to her. Usually, when someone is in a comic for years, there's at least something that makes them relatable to the audience. This hasn't happened, and Pandora has continued to be a very tired Bugs Bunny act without any of the comeuppance.

Take for instance Slash-Stab. She's a card carrying villain, evil with a capital E, yet she manages to not fall into the same trap as Pandora. Why is that? Because she's not as focused upon can be suggested, but when we did get a small amount of insight into her, we get still get something of a character. A twisted mind to be sure, but one that can be appreciated for the function she serves. We're less concerned about her comeuppance because she operates within the confines of the plot and is beholden by them. Sure, she can lash out when the main cast comes too close, but her effect is not as overpowering in this regard.

The fact remains that even if you have an evil character, it still is in the author's best interest to give them dimensions. Pandora doesn't really pass the litmus and is pretty much "the Scrappy" at best, and a "Villain Sue" at worst (to borrow some terms from TV Tropes). I can be fairly certain that if a storyline has Pandora in it, she for the most part remains unscathed and unaffected by the events that unfold.

Her greatest sin as a character is that she's boring to read about.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 18-09-17 Banged Yo Mama

Post by Tython » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:26 am

Can anyone remember what Teddy was previously like? such as when Teddy liked to take things apart to see how they worked? Such as the Clock he wanted to get a better look at so he broke into the Museum and accidentally made that pact? I miss that Teddy can we have him back now? I feel like the writers have warpped the character so much during this arc that he no longer resembles the character he originally was and instead just made him into a standard Ma3 character to some extent.

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Post by Starphoenix » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:03 am

I'll chalk it up to the gender change. Seems common enough for the universe that when the "Butt Monkey" male character gets gender changed, they cease being as much of a chew toy for the universe and their character shifts toward something else, since the universe no longer recognizes them in that role.

It hasn't entirely taken with Teddy, but (Gr)Ace from Eerie Cuties had something similar happen.

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Post by Gotoh » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:11 am

Starphoenix wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:03 am
I'll chalk it up to the gender change.

It hasn't entirely taken with Teddy, but (Gr)Ace from Eerie Cuties had something similar happen.
Ace remained himself, despite the change, right up until the moment Kade kissed him.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 18-09-17 Banged Yo Mama

Post by Varanus » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:28 am

lordoffiling wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:59 pm
It just kills me how worked up the PixieTrix forums get is all. I mean, come on. Chloe dealt with a thing called Doompanties at one point in her life.

Doompanties.

Doom. Panties.

DOOM PANTIES.

People are on here allowing their blood pressure to rise, as if this whole thing should be taken seriously, and there are DOOMPANTIES in this universe.
As another noted, those things aren't really comparable. People enjoy silly aspects of stories like these, suspension of disbelief and so on, but they still want characters they can root for or at least relate to. DC has been failing in that respect for a few arcs now, at least in my view. The reasons would be as follows regarding the main characters:

Abby: Has seemingly had her immaturity and obliviousness flanderized to the extent that at times it honestly seems like something is wrong with her mentally.

Chloe: Has become a background character who doesn't even seem to care about trying to save her own life or accomplish anything. All she seems to do anymore is observe and occasionally react.

Pandora: She is not as one dimensional as some are claiming (people seem to be ignoring posts where I noted times where she has displayed more character), but she is still lacking in relatability and motivation beyond the "demon" excuse and the more she is featured the harder this is to take as we want to see something more about what makes her tick.

Teddy: Has had his character take a 180 since turning female, turning the most relatable character in the series into someone who has sex at random with people he doesn't know or outright hates.

Heck I enjoy shows about talking, magical pastel-colored ponies, anthropomorphic ducks in a world of magic and monsters, etc. Silly settings you can't take too seriously doesn't mean the characters themselves can't be taken seriously, so long as you judge them by their world's own standards. And the thing with the Eerie verse characters is we seem to be expected to judge them as people at least close in complexity to ourselves, albeit with quirks like being nearly universally horrible and communicating.
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Post by Cortez » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:33 am

Starphoenix wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:10 am
Pandora doesn't really pass the litmus and is pretty much "the Scrappy" at best, and a "Villain Sue" at worst (to borrow some terms from TV Tropes).
You forgot "Jerk Sue".

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Post by Starphoenix » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:01 am

I did, didn't I? Yeah, that sounds to be more of a fit.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 18-09-17 Banged Yo Mama

Post by brasca » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:53 am

LegendaryKroc wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:38 am
Spidrift wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:46 pm
People are welcome to express opinions; that's why Pixietrix goes to the trouble and expense of running these boards, after all. And we all have opinions that matter to us. And yes, the creators may well keep half an eye on what's said here. But if they aren't stupid - and they aren't - they'll know that what people post online is only very loosely related to what the majority of the people who they're selling to the advertisers actually think.

I mean, just look at the below-the-line comments on any general news site. I do believe that there are some fairly awful people in the world, but the comments in those places will make you think that humanity is a race of evil-minded politically extremist sociopaths who can't spell.

So if you think that shouting loud enough here will change the direction of this comic - you're wrong. Remember, it's free - which means that you are the product. And shouting about it shows that you're reading it, which means that your eyeballs can be sold to advertisers.
brasca wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:42 pm
Spidrift wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:08 pm
Advertisers and corporate meddlers have serious money. Random discussion board posters don't. That is the difference that people seem weirdly to be ignoring.

Money talks.

(You may occasionally get the odd tweak when a mass of comments on the boards cause the creators to realise that there's been a serious failure of communication - that a given strip is wildly easy to misinterpret. That's fine, if the creators are serious enough to worry about miscommunication. But a mere assortment of complaints about things that are perfectly well communicated? Pfah. That's raw white noise, commercially unimportant and artistically irrelevant.)
Indeed. Unless the most recent Kickstarter did poorly for Dangerously Chloe related books and merchandise then I don't see anything changing just to satisfy the peanut gallery. People on this board may think they are a big deal, but we're only the ones that bother to comment. How many other readers stay away from boards like these because they don't have the time or patience? As long as they buy what Pixie Trix is selling it's all just sound an fury signifying nothing.
Oh God, shut up both of you. It's bad enough we've got this sudden, out of nowhere plot twist that makes a mockery of my and many other people's ability to suspend disbelief, but any more of this comment-stream nihilism with apathy sauce you're serving and I'll lose all faith in my ability to influence anyone's opinion about anything.

Sorry if I'm being rude, but I'm in a rarely foul mood. Dumb plot points and characters like Pandora just bring that out in me.
I cannot speak for Spidrift on this, but I will continue to state my opinion on this as long as I please. You don't like this chapter well too bad. It's not a favorite of mine, but I haven't felt as repelled as most of the naysayers on this forum because I'm curious to see where this is going and I really haven't been disappointed. This is completely in character for Pandora and I can totally see her doing some long term planning so what's implausible about it? And it's not a waste since we've gotten some exposition on why Chloe is feeling better as well as how far Teddi is willing to go to save her. Most of the complaints from this forum are from the people who try to apply human behavior and laws to cryptids and their hybrids which is so tiresome that as soon as someone says rape I skip to the next post. Personally, I would be ecstatic if all the people who claim that they are done with this webcomic actually left, but they've been saying that for weeks and the fact this thread is now 7 pages long proves they'll be back to hate read Wednesday.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 18-09-17 Banged Yo Mama

Post by Osaru Sensei » Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:15 am

Gotoh wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:39 am
Dorgengoa wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:13 am
Not a single goddamn one of the "Cutieverse" comics was any good.
I respectfully disagree. EC and MC were far better than DC currently is, and far better than DC has ever been.
Also, MC gave us Callie fer Chrissakes.

And I know I've said in the past (at the very latest in this very thread) that we're Dangerously Chloe-se sorry to jumping the shark, but from the reaction of the populace, it'd seem as if we jumped the shark a long time ago.
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Post by ven » Tue Sep 19, 2017 7:57 am

I really didn't know if I wanted to reply to this mess, but I guess it will help me

I don't know if this is written by the same person who makes Ma3 a letdown all the time, with the most unlikeable character getting what she wants all the time, but this is a new low.

The idea of this comic is pretty good and has lots of potential, but here we see it wasted big time, this isn't even funny, all the build up for this weak punchline, really? Reminds me of an angrily shouted question I once heard: humour motherf'kers, do you speak it?
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 18-09-17 Banged Yo Mama

Post by Fluffy » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:33 am

Starphoenix wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:26 pm
I also remember when the comic underwent changes to its script when there was outcry over it. Given, that was more in line with making characters less horrible, which I don't think was the intention with Pandora.

I really do detest the character on a narrative level.
Pay in mind, though - there is a significant difference between a demoness who lives to make mortal lives Hell (which is expected and can lead to amusing situations) and two human women (lesbian parents) conditioning their daughters into becoming lesbians themselves simply because the mothers hate men (which feeds into a very negative/very real BS paranoia when it comes to gay couples raising kids - which really can't lead into anything remotely amusing). Whether the latter was intentional or not on the writers part; it still enraged people - for completely understandable reasons.
Alexander Collins wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:06 am
The only way this comic can redeem itself after this awful chapter is if it all turns out to be a nightmare of Teddi's, Teddi goes full demon and MAIMS Pandora, or if the next chapter is about Teddi getting her revenge on Pandora for everything she's done. And I mean Pandora actually suffers. Not Teddi trying to get back at her and it backfires because
1. That would not be funny in the least bit
2. Pandora had it coming since her first appearance
and
3. It would be cathartic for 98% of the people here.
One way to improve this comic (other than having Teddy's impromptu hate fuck with pandora causing mayhem at Abby's Bday party) is make Chloe the lead character, again (it's called Dangerously Chloe - not the Misadventures of Theodore Douchebag')
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And I know I've said in the past (at the very latest in this very thread) that we're Dangerously Chloe-se sorry to jumping the shark, but from the reaction of the populace, it'd seem as if we jumped the shark a long time ago.
This comic jumped the shark the moment Teddy had been forcibly gender swapped in order to avoid a lust crazed Chloe.

Seriously, that seems to be when the thing started to tank.
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Post by vampire hunter D » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:05 am

Osaru Sensei wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 6:15 am
Gotoh wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:39 am
Dorgengoa wrote:
Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:13 am
Not a single goddamn one of the "Cutieverse" comics was any good.
I respectfully disagree. EC and MC were far better than DC currently is, and far better than DC has ever been.
Also, MC gave us Callie fer Chrissakes.

And I know I've said in the past (at the very latest in this very thread) that we're Dangerously Chloe-se sorry to jumping the shark, but from the reaction of the populace, it'd seem as if we jumped the shark a long time ago.
First, MC was my favorite Pixie Trix comic. Just wanted to get that in.

And I dont know if we can declare officially a jump the shark moment till after the whole story has run its course. Just because one chapter blows doesnt mean it cant recover (notice, the trope namer moment for jumping the shark wasnt identified as such a point till 20 years later).

I think the trope we're on now is Arc Fatigue, aka "Are they still on Namek?". The current plot arc has gone on a bit too long, doesnt even seem close to finishing, and has gotten overly played out. Just hurry up and cure Chloe so we can re-boy Teddy and move on to something else. Prefetably about Naomi.
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Post by tau neutrino » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:29 am

Spidrift wrote:
Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:08 pm
Advertisers and corporate meddlers have serious money. Random discussion board posters don't. That is the difference that people seem weirdly to be ignoring.

Money talks.

(You may occasionally get the odd tweak when a mass of comments on the boards cause the creators to realise that there's been a serious failure of communication - that a given strip is wildly easy to misinterpret. That's fine, if the creators are serious enough to worry about miscommunication. But a mere assortment of complaints about things that are perfectly well communicated? Pfah. That's raw white noise, commercially unimportant and artistically irrelevant.)
In the VC/PMS case that Gotoh posted, the revenue from the Hiveworks page and especially the Facebook page, which was pro-VC, were the main support for keeping the webcomic going. When the number of hits went down, Adam Arnold had to take the action described. It wasn't the random board posters, but the ones who dropped it altogether. So it depends on how much, if any, revenue from the clicks goes down for DC.

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Post by otaku247 » Tue Sep 19, 2017 3:07 pm

Doompanties?

Is it me or is it being overlooked the fact that they corrupted Chloe and her thrall groupies into being compelled to equally corrupt the innocence of Nina in that arc, yes it wasn't particularly nasty an image (just Nina dancing drunk if memory serves) but it was a shadow of what they were probably capable of doing - and the inference is that Nina would have been a victim of whatever evil you could imagine from that scenario being played out. It's easy to blame it on the doompanties and be dismissive about it but I always read it that they just enhance your inner evil so that's implying that all succubi must ultimately corrupt, it's just Pandora has embraced that, chaotically as someone else has put it (Chaotic evil) and thats just rubbing people up the wrong way.

Also back to DC currently, it wasn't too long ago that Pandora was the victim of a prank herself when Prudence sent that letter to Naomi that got accidentally led into the hands of Abby who suicided in order to blackmail Pandora into helping her help out Prudence in heaven (man did that arc also go on and on), the punchline being the supposed blackmail note was just hidden in plain sight on the back of the wardrobe door.

Whilst not expecting sympathy for Pandora in the latter case, to me it's just an example of what people justify as fair play to one character because they hate them, but would they have felt the same if it had been Chloe who was blackmailed? Would changing Pandora for Lucretia in this arc, and causing the fallout to instead happen to Chloe instead of Teddi have made this arc any different?

I don't think this arc has much defending it from a writing point of view, but from a character development it's still not clear what the full intent or ramifications are. I get that peoples patience for lasting out the ride are getting thin, but there are a lot of things in the air already (we still don't fully know what the Teddi/Alc outcome will be yet from the last chapter) I'm still waiting for what happens when the Titular Character for this series gets her airtime back and until then I'll just keep whispering to myself these words of comfort - "What is past, is Prologue"

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