Dangerously Chloe 3-07-17 Spend the Night

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 3-07-17 Spend the Night

Post by edisnooM » Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:54 am

brasca wrote: Because Teddi doesn't know she is the source of the supernatural attraction. Perhaps Teddi's analytical processes are affected by the transformation as I've theorized, but he didn't choose to become a hybrid and doesn't know anything about emitting pheromones. Who's she supposed to ask? Chloe has been sulking for weeks and Pandora can't be trusted. Seriously, Teddi is as culpable as your personal favorite Faith.
The real test will of course be if / when Teddy discovers what he has been doing this whole time. But personally after all that's happened this arc I'm not entirely sure he would stop, instead seeing it as a way to achieve his goals. I mean he already seemed fine with his four thralls stopping the bullying he was going through. And even if he doesn't keep on using it and instead just moves on as though it was no big deal I for one would be pretty unhappy with that. I really can't think of any good way for Teddy to come back from this and be the old plucky underdog we met all those years ago.

But even though he doesn't know yet, I still wouldn't call him innocent. His mind seems to be still his own, such as when he "tested" Daisy, so I think as far as analytical processes are still working. And despite my hope over the last bit that it would turn out his mind had been altered as an explanation it looks like it's supposed to be plain old Teddy. So he has knowingly had sex multiple times with four girls that he knew weren't in their right minds. And even after it didn't help, him telling Pandora that he's still "working out the details but on the right track" implies he has every intention of continuing, possibly even emboldened by discovering it was giving Chloe a boost.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 3-07-17 Spend the Night

Post by Gotoh » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:12 am

brasca wrote:Because Teddi doesn't know she is the source of the supernatural attraction.

Seriously, Teddi is as culpable as your personal favorite Faith.
There was nothing compelling anyone to sleep with Faith, because she wasn't affecting their free will. As far she knew, each time was consensual.

The same can't be said for Teddy, because he knows differently. I don't see how you can gloss over that, or try to compare the two situations.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 3-07-17 Spend the Night

Post by X3N0-Life-Form » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:03 am

brasca wrote: Seriously, Teddi is as culpable as your personal favorite Faith.
There's a key difference :
- Faith didn't suspect there was anything supernatural regarding the girls throwing themselves at her. Yeah, she's an arrogant ass, but ultimately she didn't conciously take advantage of her partners
- Teddy *knows* something is affecting them. He is not sure what or who, but his conclusion, "I'll shag them and see what happens" is rather odd, and morally dubious.

Hell, "I have to take responsability" is a line you'll see hundreds of time in hentai works, and its just as dusbious there, but hey it's just porn logic and without it there would be no story. I think the question a lot of us is asking is : What does Teddy fucking those girls bring to the story ? DC's not porn, so it's not sex and the fanservice value doesn't seem to justify it either.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 3-07-17 Spend the Night

Post by brasca » Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:48 pm

Gotoh wrote:
brasca wrote:Because Teddi doesn't know she is the source of the supernatural attraction.

Seriously, Teddi is as culpable as your personal favorite Faith.
There was nothing compelling anyone to sleep with Faith, because she wasn't affecting their free will. As far she knew, each time was consensual.

The same can't be said for Teddy, because he knows differently. I don't see how you can gloss over that, or try to compare the two situations.
Teddi doesn't know that his pheromones are having this effect on people and Faith didn't know her esper ability to influence people was bolstered by the energy of Artemis Academy. And seriously, there were probably more than a few girls and boys who wouldn't have had anything to do with her if they weren't drawn to her, but she had sex with them all the same which makes her no different than Teddi. Therefore, they are both innocent.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 3-07-17 Spend the Night

Post by Gotoh » Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:27 pm

brasca wrote:Teddi doesn't know that his pheromones are having this effect on people
The pheromones are beside the point. The point is, Teddy knows something is compelling these girls to want to sleep with him -- and he's still doing it anyway. It's like taking advantage of someone who's drunk.
brasca wrote:And seriously, there were probably more than a few girls and boys who wouldn't have had anything to do with her if they weren't drawn to her, but she had sex with them all the same
...which makes her comparable to Layla, not Teddy.

Brooke didn't like Layla as a person, but she admitted she was attracted to Layla, regardless. And she tried to hook up with Layla when she thought she had the chance.

Tandy doesn't like Faith, so Faith leaves Tandy alone. Tiff (like Brooke) didn't like her as a person (at first), but part of her was still attracted to her, which she eventually had to face.
brasca wrote:which makes her no different than Teddi.
Not hardly.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 3-07-17 Spend the Night

Post by brasca » Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:46 pm

Gotoh wrote:
brasca wrote:Teddi doesn't know that his pheromones are having this effect on people
The pheromones are beside the point. The point is, Teddy knows something is compelling these girls to want to sleep with him -- and he's still doing it anyway. It's like taking advantage of someone who's drunk.
brasca wrote:And seriously, there were probably more than a few girls and boys who wouldn't have had anything to do with her if they weren't drawn to her, but she had sex with them all the same
...which makes her comparable to Layla, not Teddy.

Brooke didn't like Layla as a person, but she admitted she was attracted to Layla, regardless. And she tried to hook up with Layla when she thought she had the chance.

Tandy doesn't like Faith, so Faith leaves Tandy alone. Tiff (like Brooke) didn't like her as a person (at first), but part of her was still attracted to her, which she eventually had to face.
brasca wrote:which makes her no different than Teddi.
Not hardly.
Right because Faith is your favorite and you refuse to acknowledge that her special abilities influenced people to do things they might not, but Teddi is different. 8-|

Neither one of them intended for people to throw themselves at them, but it just happened that way and in Faith's case she thought it was popularity and in Teddi's case because of her hot body. It's an easy enough conclusion to draw too. And you seem to be overlooking Faith's past of pushing herself on students like Melissa and Tiffany. Many would consider that sexual harassment. At least with Teddi it's about the boys and girls coming to him. Sure Teddi has gotten some sexual pleasure out of it and so have they, but it's not like she demanded it. They wanted Teddi and she probably thought it was better to give them what they wanted than let them get into trouble with people who would really take advantage of the situation.

The only criticism I have is that it's a little too easy. The boys Teddi has been dating were largely bullies so I can't really feel all that sympathetic for them especially since everyone got at least a hand job. And as for Daisy and her gang? They were committing assault and battery and got an extra strength dose of pheromones in the process. Should Teddi be blamed for a natural defense she knows nothing about going off when she was the victim of aggression? Seriously they could've been in for worse if Teddi pressed charges and they were sent off to a juvenile detention center.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 3-07-17 Spend the Night

Post by Gotoh » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:09 pm

brasca wrote:Right because Faith is your favorite and you refuse to acknowledge that her special abilities influenced people to do things they might not,
From the editor: ↓
TCampbell wrote:She's pretty confident that her favorites will respond sooner or later, but that's because she's so hot and awesome, not because she's an insecure bully wrestling them into unwilling submission.
TCampbell wrote:In Faith's defense, no one she has actually slept with has come forth afterward claiming they were used or abused.
Still think it's favoritism, or do you need more? :-\
brasca wrote:in Teddi's case because of her hot body.
Teddy knows his body has nothing to do with it (last panel, here).
brasca wrote:And you seem to be overlooking Faith's past of pushing herself on students like Melissa and Tiffany. Many would consider that sexual harassment.
Faith stopped hitting on Mel all the way back near the beginning of Vol.1. That's why she walked away with Layla and left Mel behind at the park. And in Tiff's case, the attraction was confirmed to be mutual.
brasca wrote:The boys Teddi has been dating were largely bullies so I can't really feel all that sympathetic for them especially since everyone got at least a hand job.
So in your book, that's compensation for potentially being eviscerated by Chloe later?
brasca wrote:And as for Daisy and her gang? Should Teddi be blamed for a natural defense she knows nothing about going off when she was the victim of aggression?
No, but he can be blamed for thinking none of those guys had girlfriends, or for thinking he could date half the school without consequence. You can only ruin so many relationships before someone comes looking.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 3-07-17 Spend the Night

Post by X3N0-Life-Form » Thu Jul 06, 2017 5:21 pm

Let's leave aside Teddy coming onto the boys, I don't think it's all that much of a stretch that Teddy wouldn't suspect that their eagerness to go on dates with him is supernatural.

In the girl's case however, he has established that their attraction to him is not due to his natural charms. They'll basically do anything if he pushes their buttons, so instead of investigating further, or think about the matter some more, he just goes "let's just fuck them all, we'll see if that changes anything". That's a rather odd course for him to take, even taking into account the dubious reasonning behind dating the football team.

Should Teddi be blamed for a natural defense she knows nothing about going off when she was the victim of aggression? No, he's not to blame for the girls throwing themselves at him. He is to blame however, for going along with the girls throwing themselves at him, not knowing why they are acting this way, but knowing something is wrong. Worse, he suspecting this is Pandora's doing, that alone should have prompted him to back off and find out wtf she was up to, considering the lady's tendency to mess with him in various ways.

And yeah, pressing charges would have been a reasonable thing to do, but less likely to result in wacky hijinks.


Still, I'm giving everybody the benefit of the doubt though, let's reserve judgment for when the arc is over.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 3-07-17 Spend the Night

Post by edisnooM » Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:28 pm

Can I just say that people seem awful quick to dismiss what happened to the boys Teddy was testing. They are all under the influence of the pheromones too and just as incapable of refusing any of Teddy's sexual advances. Yes he might not know that, but what he is doing is still sexual assault at best. The idea that it feeling good for them, or that they would want it anyway (which seems irrelevant since they can't refuse), somehow makes it any better is pretty sketchy.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 3-07-17 Spend the Night

Post by tau neutrino » Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:55 am

Does Eden have parents, or is she living alone?

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 3-07-17 Spend the Night

Post by FuzzyFace » Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:14 pm

Gotoh wrote:
FuzzyFace wrote:scissoring? In this comic?
It's been girl-on-girl. What else are you gonna call it?
My sources tell me that girl-on-girl has many options.
Gotoh wrote:
FuzzyFace wrote:As for bedding them, he doesn't know how this works, and assumed that they just needed to have sex to get him out of their system.
...and when it didn't work the first 2-3 times, he kept going hoping it eventually would?

Not only does that not make sense, it comes off as a flimsy excuse for Teddy to sleep with girls he knows aren't in their right mind.
If every experimenter gave up after getting no results the first few times, we would have learned very little. Teddi doesn't have enough information yet to understand why it's not working. This comic, BTW, is a great example. If Eden were driven by pheromones as we usually understand it, they would not be affecting her from this distance, nor does she appear to be obsessed with sexing Teddi. She's acting more like someone who is willing to take her time, tease, and maybe even be a bit friendly. So if you hadn't been reading the comic, how in the world would you have concluded that this pheromone-driven behavior?

Tandy and Gabrielle figured it out because they had been observing Teddi carefully, were familiar with supernatural phenomena, and only became attracted when they came close. As far as Teddi knows, it is her looks that attracted initially the boys and then the girls, once they had worked out their aggressions. Judging Teddi for not guessing what you know because it was explicitly shown to you is hardly intellectually honest - and is interfering with your (and probably others') enjoyment of the comic.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 3-07-17 Spend the Night

Post by Gotoh » Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:58 pm

FuzzyFace wrote:My sources tell me that girl-on-girl has many options.
True, but judging from what the comic's shown us, scissoring/tribbing is the closest thing we can equate it to and seems the most likely
FuzzyFace wrote:If every experimenter gave up after getting no results the first few times, we would have learned very little.
Which is missing the point: Teddy shouldn't have experimented at all.

He knows these girls aren't in their right mind, he knows something is compelling them to want to be with him. A thinking person, or one with any sense of decency, would not decide to sleep with them under those circumstances. They'd either try to find the cause, or failing that, try to get those girls help, or wait 'til whatever caused it was out of their system.
FuzzyFace wrote:This comic, BTW, is a great example. If Eden were driven by pheromones as we usually understand it, they would not be affecting her from this distance, nor does she appear to be obsessed with sexing Teddi.
Because Teddy's pheromones aren't active in this update. If they were, it'd be the same as when he passed those jocks in the hall, or when Daisy and her crew got their first dose, or when Gabrielle was affected by them. In each instance, we saw the pheromones being emitted and saw the immediate effect it had.
FuzzyFace wrote:As far as Teddi knows, it is her looks that attracted initially the boys and then the girls
Initially, yes. Now he knows differently.
FuzzyFace wrote:Judging Teddi for not guessing what you know because it was explicitly shown to you is hardly intellectually honest.
Teddy isn't being criticized for not knowing about the pheromones, he's being criticized for what he's been doing with those girls and his so-called justification for doing it.

If someone came onto you while they were drunk, you wouldn't sleep with them because it'd be taking advantage of them.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 3-07-17 Spend the Night

Post by edisnooM » Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:13 am

Gotoh wrote:
FuzzyFace wrote:This comic, BTW, is a great example. If Eden were driven by pheromones as we usually understand it, they would not be affecting her from this distance, nor does she appear to be obsessed with sexing Teddi.
Because Teddy's pheromones aren't active in this update. If they were, it'd be the same as when he passed those jocks in the hall, or when Daisy and her crew got their first dose, or when Gabrielle was affected by them. In each instance, we saw the pheromones being emitted and saw the immediate effect it had.
I'm not sure that's quiet the case. The pheromones look to be still as "active" as they were when Daisy of her own volition fought off the bullies. Eden seems to be still "in" to Teddy enough to let him in at all, just not under the head-slamming strength of "throwing on the charm", or being in the throes of passion.
Gotoh wrote:
Teddy isn't being criticized for not knowing about the pheromones, he's being criticized for what he's been doing with those girls and his so-called justification for doing it.
Well I sort of am with the boys, but that's because I think what has happened to all of those affected to be pretty reprehensible and I personally am not willing to give a blanket pardon that it's all OK. I realize that in that case he doesn't seem to know what's happening yet, which is his one saving grace, but it's still pretty messed up in my opinion.

Also now that he knows that something is happening with the girls, I would think that maybe he would start wondering if others at the school are affected.

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Re: Dangerously Chloe 3-07-17 Spend the Night

Post by pixietrixgirl23 » Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:07 pm

X3N0-Life-Form wrote:Let's leave aside Teddy coming onto the boys, I don't think it's all that much of a stretch that Teddy wouldn't suspect that their eagerness to go on dates with him is supernatural.

In the girl's case however, he has established that their attraction to him is not due to his natural charms. They'll basically do anything if he pushes their buttons, so instead of investigating further, or think about the matter some more, he just goes "let's just fuck them all, we'll see if that changes anything". That's a rather odd course for him to take, even taking into account the dubious reasonning behind dating the football team.

Should Teddi be blamed for a natural defense she knows nothing about going off when she was the victim of aggression? No, he's not to blame for the girls throwing themselves at him. He is to blame however, for going along with the girls throwing themselves at him, not knowing why they are acting this way, but knowing something is wrong. Worse, he suspecting this is Pandora's doing, that alone should have prompted him to back off and find out wtf she was up to, considering the lady's tendency to mess with him in various ways.

And yeah, pressing charges would have been a reasonable thing to do, but less likely to result in wacky hijinks.


Still, I'm giving everybody the benefit of the doubt though, let's reserve judgment for when the arc is over.
Lol, that's what I'm doing with it, just waiting for Teddi to figure out what's going on and try to fix things.

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