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Re: Dangerously Chloe 13-03-17 Onto Sometheeng Beeg

Postby Cortez » Mon Mar 13, 2017 3:48 pm

Faith was willing to grant Mel and Jacqui clemency for their actions and said she'd banish Cerise to the nearest hell dimension, in lieu of burning her at the stake.


The latter isn't proof of mercy, quite the opposite. Which was the joke.


Likewise, notice Gabrielle didn't harm Teddi either.


But she was more than willing to let him be beaten to death, until Teddy's pheromones pushed her to help.

Plus the fact that she also used it as another opportunity to mess with Naomi, when that obviously wasn't called for if her goal was simply to see weather Teddy was magic or not.

All of that could have been just easily accomplished by taking Teddy to her room instead of Naomi's.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 13-03-17 Onto Sometheeng Beeg

Postby Gotoh » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:26 pm

Cortez wrote:The latter isn't proof of mercy, quite the opposite.


Cerise tried to kill them, Faith chose to banish her, rather than return the favor. I'd say that's merciful.


Cortez wrote:But she was more than willing to let him be beaten to death, until Teddy's pheromones pushed her to help.


And your proof that she was going to let him die is...? :-\

Cortez wrote:Plus the fact that she also used it as another opportunity to mess with Naomi


Which doesn't discredit why she did it, and she pulled it off while maintaining her cover. So two birds, one stone. Not seeing the problem.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 13-03-17 Onto Sometheeng Beeg

Postby Mackus » Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:35 pm

Bullies aren't that much into homicide. Pushing into suicide, maybe, but not homicide. So no, Teddy wasn't at risk of death.

But Gabby still was willing to let innocent person be badly beaten up for sake of satisfying Tandy's mere suspicions, until pheromones overrode her detached and calculative mind.
> Faith was willing to grant Mel and Jacqui clemency for their actions
What actions? Did Faith knew anything about them other than them being witches? I don't think she knew about them being sent to spy, since even they didn't knew.

AA Students aren't evil per se, just horribly narrow-minded, to the point they do not seem to recognise most cryptids have free will and are not threat to humans. Sure, they left Mel, Jacqui and Cerise alone eventually, but only after Mel more or less forced their hand by saving their hides.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 13-03-17 Onto Sometheeng Beeg

Postby Gotoh » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:09 pm

Mackus wrote:But Gabby still was willing to let innocent person be badly beaten up for sake of satisfying Tandy's mere suspicions, until pheromones overrode her detached and calculative mind.


Teddi walked away with only minor bruises. I'd hardly call that badly beaten up.

Mackus wrote:What actions?


She pardoned Mel for saving the school, and did the same for Jacqui, presumably for helping them while they were stranded in the Bermuda Triangle.

Mackus wrote:AA Students aren't evil per se, just horribly narrow-minded, to the point they do not seem to recognise most cryptids have free will and are not threat to humans.


The writer, himself, said otherwise. It's the reason AA is necessary.

Mackus wrote:only after Mel more or less forced their hand by saving their hides.


You mean, after Faith saved her bacon first. Plus, it took Tandy snapping Mel out of her pity party to get her to even do it.

It's a 'house that Jack built' scenario. Remove Jack (i.e. Faith) from the equation and the house doesn't get built. Meaning, the school wouldn't have been saved, 'cuz Mel would've been stranded in the Triangle along with the student council.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 13-03-17 Onto Sometheeng Beeg

Postby Mackus » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:50 am

Gotoh wrote:Teddi walked away with only minor bruises. I'd hardly call that badly beaten up.

Teddi was lucky that main bully was also affected by phermones, and stopped the beating to make out.
There is no way to tell they'd stop before things got serious if nobody was influenced by them.
Gotoh wrote:She pardoned Mel for saving the school, and did the same for Jacqui, presumably for helping them while they were stranded in the Bermuda Triangle.

That's literally not answering my questions. What horrible actions Mel and Jacqui did, that they had to save the school to earn pardon from the stake?

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Mackus wrote:AA Students aren't evil per se, just horribly narrow-minded, to the point they do not seem to recognise most cryptids have free will and are not threat to humans.


The writer, himself, said otherwise. It's the reason AA is necessary.

And yet, there is cryptid school in the same town, that's full of completely harmless cryptids. There are plenty of dangerous ones in PMS and VC comics, but not really in EC or MC. We only really see numerous dangerous cryptids in "sorta same universe, but effectively spin-off with occasional crossover" fashion.

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Mackus wrote:only after Mel more or less forced their hand by saving their hides.


You mean, after Faith saved her bacon first. Plus, it took Tandy snapping Mel out of her pity party to get her to even do it.

It's a 'house that Jack built' scenario. Remove Jack (i.e. Faith) from the equation and the house doesn't get built. Meaning, the school wouldn't have been saved, 'cuz Mel would've been stranded in the Triangle along with the student council.

... So you're saying that if Faith hadn't broken the rules because she though she would soon be dead anyway, and decided to employ witch to help her, school would be doomed?
And even then she had to make excuses like "not a real witch, since her other half is good".
Yes, how's that against my point?
It's fairly obvious, that before Melissa forced their hand, rules were something like "you'll not suffer witch to live".

So yeah. There probably are plenty of dangerous cryptids in the world, or nobody would create AA in the first place, but we don't really see them until that siren that drowns people. And we weren't shown that, other than them putting up with Melissa's good (non-witch) half, they changed their policy on non-evil cryptids. I mean, its very possible they did, because it would be smart and just thing to do, but did they?
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 13-03-17 Onto Sometheeng Beeg

Postby Zippy » Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:59 pm

Mackus wrote:And yet, there is cryptid school in the same town, that's full of completely harmless cryptids.

That's overstepping. Most of them are relatively ambiguous, although that might in part be due to a too-small sample size (what do Kade's complete lack of impulse control or Brooke's repressed hunter instinct generalise to in their respective wider populations?), but there are two classes of students that regularly brutalise people as part of their feeding habits - vampires and succubi.

Layla knocks random joggers out, drinks a significant %age of their blood and then mentally assaults them to not notice it (and people here justify it on an "she's not actually killing them" basis). And Chloe periodically leaves guys as walking skeletons (even when she's not assaulting paramedics to crash ambulances into trees and leaving them for dead?).

And let's not even get into the topic of Tia...
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 13-03-17 Onto Sometheeng Beeg

Postby Gotoh » Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:33 pm

Mackus wrote:Teddi was lucky that main bully was also affected by phermones, and stopped the beating to make out.
There is no way to tell they'd stop before things got serious if nobody was influenced by them.


Teddi plainly said he'd taken worse from other bullies. Plus, there were two slayers present, so he was never in any danger of being seriously hurt.

Mackus wrote:That's literally not answering my questions. What horrible actions Mel and Jacqui did, that they had to save the school to earn pardon from the stake?


Then you should've been more specific. I thought you were asking why they were being pardoned.

In any case, I already answered you. They'd been taught that cryptids are irredeemably evil and are a threat that need to be put down. Hence, their zero tolerance policy. And thanks to Cerise, they'd just found out three of them had infiltrated their school. But rather than carry out sentience on the spot, Faith decided to test them first to if Cerise was telling the truth about them being witches.

Mackus wrote:And yet, there is cryptid school in the same town, that's full of completely harmless cryptids. There are plenty of dangerous ones in PMS and VC comics, but not really in EC or MC.


Quick recap (from memory):

    Brooke openly admitted to fighting her true nature, when she scared the hell outta her friends by explaining what she did to poor Mr. Skittles. The same girl nearly killed Ash later, when she lost her temper and went out of control. A 14-year old Melusine overpowered a trained martial artist from Apollo Academy and might've devoured him had the wand not forced Mel to save him.
    Chloe was the cause of three incidents at Charybdis, because she couldn't properly control her powers. Her pheromones carpet bombed the school, which turned all the male students into Chloe obsessed zombies and she was accidentally their souls when Layla left her in charge of the 'Kissing Both' Not mention, the Doompantes arc, which finally made her realize and openly admit she was a danger to her friends. So she requested a transfer to Tartarus Academy to learn how to control her powers.
    Anastasia is the former Queen of the Shadow Realm, who slew thousands in her revolt against the Lord of Shadows, which ended with her publicly beheading him. Then rained death and destruction upon Montreal when she and her army invaded Earth. As we've seen several times now, Ana seemingly cannot be killed, despite allegedly being weakened by jointly giving birth to Mel.

Mackus wrote:So you're saying that if Faith hadn't broken the rules because she though she would soon be dead anyway, and decided to employ witch to help her, school would be doomed?

Yes, how's that against my point?


Unless you think Mel could've escaped Cerise's trap on her own, then save AA out of the goodness of her heart, I'd say that's a more than sufficient. She gets the credit for saving the school, but that was only possible because Faith saved her and asked her to do it in her stead. There's no getting around that.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 13-03-17 Onto Sometheeng Beeg

Postby Mackus » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:08 pm

Gotoh wrote:Teddi plainly said he'd taken worse from other bullies.

The point is, they're letting Teddi getting beat up just to see what happens. That's not terribly heroic. Even Tandy though Gabby was pushing it here by waiting so long.
Gotoh wrote:Plus, there were two slayers present, so he was never in any danger of being seriously hurt.

WTF?! The very point I am making, is that to slayers in question did NOT intervene until pheromones influenced their free will!
"Wait for eet, wait for eet... *sniff* oh no, we must help!"
So it's okay to let people be beaten up because of mere suspicions, as long they don't get badly beaten up?

Gotoh wrote:But rather than carry out sentience on the spot, Faith decided to test them first to if Cerise was telling the truth about them being witches.

How gracious of them, check if they kill the right person for not doing anything wrong to anyone.

Gotoh wrote:
    Anastasia is the former Queen of the Shadow Realm, who slew thousands in her revolt against the Lord of Shadows, which ended with her publicly beheading him. Then rained death and destruction upon Montreal when she and her army invaded Earth. As we've seen several times now, Ana seemingly cannot be killed, despite allegedly being weakened by jointly giving birth to Mel.

In EC or MC, maybe. But in DC, it doesn't look like paranormal is public knowledge. Remember when Chloe fainted and got put in Ambulance? They didn't knew she was a demon, even though they were paramedics. If even educated public servants don't know about paranormal, it definitely isn't public knowledge, or of significant influence on humanity.

Gotoh wrote:Unless you think Mel could've escaped Cerise's trap on her own, then save AA out of the goodness of her heart, I'd say that's a more than sufficient. She gets the credit for saving the school, but that was only possible because Faith saved her and asked her to do it in her stead. There's no getting around that.

Faith threw Melissa out the teleportation circle, for the same reason she gave up on burning her: It was because she needed her alive, as she had best chance out any of them at beating Cerise. If Cerise did not try to kill them all on the spot with very high chances of succeeding, they'd most likely try to drag Mel and Jacqui to Academy, done the tests, and burn them. I don't care who gets the credit, that is irrelevant.

You shouldn't need to do someone a favour, or even repay a favour, to not get murdered by them. That is more than just common courtesy.

Or are you saying that if Faith could beat Cerise on her own, she should be free to burn on stake all three, including the Mel and Jacqui who did nothing wrong beyond transferring to school which didn't like their types?
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 13-03-17 Onto Sometheeng Beeg

Postby Zippy » Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:36 pm

Gotoh wrote:Cerise goes without saying - she tried to murder both of her friends, along with seven other students, then willfully enslaved an entire school along with its faculty - over a petty grudge, because she wanted to be in charge of the coven.

The Dark Cerise thing is curious. Part of it is because MC's plotting collapsed into complete mush over the course of that Dave/Shouri last chapter, of course - and even beyond, with the state of the 'two Mels' short - but Hekate's dark magic had a clear influence on her, going from someone who wasn't a *nice* person, but certainly wasn't a murderer, into what we saw in the course of those last few chapters.

We saw what the stuff did to Skye* and Mel too, radically altering Skye's personality and leaving Mel physically & mentally unstable by driving her "light" nature from her body (which her link with the wand gave the power to reembody itself separately). And Cerise went from writing 'So sorry Callie' in her notepad (while she temporarily had her memory blocks removed and realised she was betraying her) to trying to kill her.

Of course, even then she doesn't get off scot-free - she downed the stuff, after all - but we were ultimately looking at Cerise with all her positive personality traits AT LEAST suppressed, and possibly even excorcised completely, as with Mel.

*The fact that Skye was seemingly "back to normal"ed at the end never sat right with me, since the stuff was meant to 'stain her soul'.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 13-03-17 Onto Sometheeng Beeg

Postby wiseguy » Tue Mar 14, 2017 6:22 pm

I think we supposed to take that Cerise has "somewhat matured" and stopped being obsessed with "taking leadership" and is more likely not to be evil ( but still mischievous from time to time )

Melissa is now 2 personas, one light (Mel ) that at same time is likely to be a tiny mischievous, and a "Lissa" that is openly Mischievous but at same time is likely to do "the right thing" when is Decision time even if she will go "Why did I do this?"

the former crush of Teddi is a follower of Mel, but in general is actually nice ( taking aside her horny side derived courtesy of Chloe )

Skye I am guessing got her "free will again" but is not "pure as the Driven snow" anymore
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 13-03-17 Onto Sometheeng Beeg

Postby Gotoh » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:14 pm

Mackus wrote:The point is, they're letting Teddi getting beat up just to see what happens. That's not terribly heroic. Even Tandy though Gabby was pushing it here by waiting so long.


True, but they're heroines in training.

Mackus wrote:So it's okay to let people be beaten up because of mere suspicions, as long they don't get badly beaten up?


It's what's known as a calculated risk. Which means either sacrificing something, or simply allowing it to happen in order to gain an advantage, or information.

Mackus wrote:How gracious of them, check if they kill the right person for not doing anything wrong to anyone.


So it's better to wait until they do? 'cuz that's not very heroic either.

Also notice Faith didn't say what their fates would be, because saving the school was her priority.

Mackus wrote:In EC or MC, maybe. But in DC, it doesn't look like paranormal is public knowledge.


The public isn't aware of their existence in EC/MC either, even though there are records of paranormal and supernatural events. It's unknown how they've managed to keep it under wraps, because it was left unanswered when EC/MC went on hiatus.

Mackus wrote:Or are you saying that if Faith could beat Cerise on her own, she should be free to burn on stake all three, including the Mel and Jacqui who did nothing wrong beyond transferring to school which didn't like their types?


She never said what would happen to them, but after all was said and done, the worst she came up with was banishment.

As for whether she could've beaten Cerise, I'd say "probably", but Mel was better suited for the task, for the reason she stated. Cerise was afraid of Mel's other half (plus, Mel had already humiliated her once), so Faith decided to use it to their advantage.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 13-03-17 Onto Sometheeng Beeg

Postby FuzzyFace » Tue Mar 14, 2017 10:27 pm

Gotoh wrote:Teddi plainly said he'd taken worse from other bullies.


Yes. worse insults

But never assaults.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 13-03-17 Onto Sometheeng Beeg

Postby Gotoh » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:24 pm

@Fuzzy Face: According to the 1st panel, here, yes he was.
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 13-03-17 Onto Sometheeng Beeg

Postby wiseguy » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:17 am

"pounding" is a relative word

they might have meant ( specially given fact that Teddy(i) said he was never actually hit ) lifted up than dunked on a trash can or making him fall by sticking out a foot
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Re: Dangerously Chloe 13-03-17 Onto Sometheeng Beeg

Postby Cortez » Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:19 am

Gotoh wrote:Teddi plainly said he'd taken worse from other bullies. Plus, there were two slayers present, so he was never in any danger of being seriously hurt.



You seem to forget that Teddy said that before the girls attacked him and then was surprised that they actually hit him, saying that the other bullies never hit him like that.

Teddy straight up says that the boys never hit him. This strip came out not very long ago, surely you can't have forgotten about it already.

http://www.dangerouslychloe.com/strips-dc/she_hit_me

So you're clearly wrong and he clearly was in danger of being seriously hurt, which is why the pheromones kicked in.

In any case, Teddy himself states that the boys never went as far as the girls did. Hell, Teddy was bleeding from his head.


Which doesn't discredit why she did it,


It does actually, since she could have accomplished the same by taking Teddy to her room.

And are you finally admitting that Gabby likes bullying Naomi?
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