Eerie Cuties 08-03-17 I was a teen-aged were-girl pg 5-6of 6

[Gotoh]

For the people who insist on analyzing this scenario, I offer the following thoughts:

1) FemAce is totally willing and into both men, and has a previously-established crush on Kade

Previously established as in, not interested, which Kade repeatedly ignored to get what he wanted?

FemAce seems to have just as much agency as MaleAce, and thus has just as much right to be treated as an individual

Which means violating male-Ace's free agency by taking over his body and doing things with it without his knowledge, or consent. Not to mention, fem-Ace only exists because of the orb incident.

[thedoctornw]

Thus, I choose to see this as two horndogs (sorry, one horndog, one horncat) suddenly having a reason to be nice to Ace; ).

Except Kade was always nice to Ace. It's Dio who has gotten friendlier.

Okay, point--although not "hand on butt" friendly. ;) And Kade /might/ have stopped Dio from putting Ace in a dress--though that's a lot of effort to expect from a cat!

[Hyper Magi]

Yeah the implications are kind of uncomfortable. Even if nothing....occurred, that's still kind of messed up how his "friends" are using him(or rather female!him) like that.

[Milnoc]

A question.

If female Ace is in the middle of having sex with a guy just as the sun comes up, when Ace reverts back to his male form, where does the other guy's penis end up?

[Mockery]

For the people who insist on analyzing this scenario, I offer the following thoughts:

1) FemAce is totally willing and into both men, and has a previously-established crush on Kade

Previously established as in, not interested, which Kade repeatedly ignored to get what he wanted?

FemAce seems to have just as much agency as MaleAce, and thus has just as much right to be treated as an individual

Which means violating male-Ace's free agency by taking over his body and doing things with it without his knowledge, or consent. Not to mention, fem-Ace only exists because of the orb incident.

Girl!Ace also comes across as less of a natural outgrowth of Ace's personality and experiences. I described him in the last one as a buttmonkey, and I hold to that description. There's a delicate line to walk there: the universe is out to torment them, and as long as the series runs, they'll never be really comfortable. We meet Ace while he's dealing with the throes of werewolf puberty. Then he gets turned into a girl and is the only person to miss out on the cure. Then after multiple shenanigans, he's finally coming to grips with it and boom, thrown back to male. Here the universe throws the dog a bone, and he at least gets to keep his normal hands. But happiness is fleeting for his sort: Tia comes along, reveals he still had latent bits of orb magic in him, and strips it away: he still may not have his normal human hands back, as that's been inconsistent enough that it may be deliberate or just an oversight.

Girl!Ace pops up, now, as an independent persona. This is where things get really ugly, in part because she doesn't seem to be an organic outgrowth of any aspect of the character we know. This may be laid at the feet of her excuse (i.e. by dint of being bound up by so much repression for most of the month, she has few inhibitions herself when freed), but it still sits strangely.

She claims to be the "real" Ace, and this is what I find painful because it's crossing the line that can sometimes get a little hazy around Ace's character archetype. Because that means the world has taken everything from Ace: even HE doesn't belong to himself, but to a stranger who only yields the body to him because of quirky supernatural biology tied up in his own denial--he should be her, Girl!Ace is saying, but he just doesn't know any better.

[Osaru Sensei]

A question.

If female Ace is in the middle of having sex with a guy just as the sun comes up, when Ace reverts back to his male form, where does the other guy's penis end up?

The answer is simple, if horrifying.

[Judanas]

Could be the 'Real' ace in the same way that Hyde was the 'Real' Jekyll. Real but far from his entirety.

This is a complex situation that would certainly make for some interesting philosophical and legal precedent.

The first major question is: Is Female!Ace just as 'Real' as the main Ace. Following from that; if so, how much rights does she have to use 'her' body. Presumably 'As much as the male!ace does'. As we can run into a similarly questionable situation with male!ace making out with someone female!ace wouldn't approve of. If you share a body with someone else, there is all sorts of new responsibilities and questions about bodily autonomy rights that don't normally apply.

It could go some dark places but the concept is fascinating from a philosophical perspective.

[Raamyah]

So, if the series were to continue, would there be a twins situation? Would Ace and Grace be separated, thus giving most of us what we want?

[Gotoh]

@Raamyah: I'd prefer Ace just be Ace. We already have Mel for the split persona angle and Alchemy for the male/female shapeshifter. Do we really need another one?

I don't see why Ace should have to be put through this, just 'cuz some readers would rather he be changed back into a girl. That's hardly fair to his character, especially given the circumstances.

[Marque'd]

Why is it daylight in the first panel, and why doesn't Ave have furry hands in the last when he started this comic chain with them? I know he lost them in the canon after being female, but that happened way before this.

[vampire hunter D]

@Raamyah: I'd prefer Ace just be Ace. We already have Mel for the split persona angle and Alchemy for the male/female shapeshifter. Do we really need another one?

I don't see why Ace should have to be put through this, just 'cuz some readers would rather he be changed back into a girl. That's hardly fair to his character, especially given the circumstances.

^this

[Cortez]

Alchemy for the male/female shapeshifter.

Alchemy is still themselves regardless of gender though. For Ace it seems different, like two different people.

[Maechris]

For the people who insist on analyzing this scenario, I offer the following thoughts:

1) FemAce is totally willing and into both men, and has a previously-established crush on Kade

2) Kade and Dio are absolutely the sort of people to be led by their hormones

3) FemAce seems to have just as much agency as MaleAce, and thus has just as much right to be treated as an individual

The "joke" then, is that both Kade & Dio, who stayed over at Ace's place to further torment their "kinda friend", are now /super interested/ in FemAce, and have way more loyalty to her than to her dorky male counterpart (whom they only kinda tolerated, mostly because of Nina). One could argue that they should tell Ace what's going on, but that would be counter to both their characters (which Ace really should know by now)--and a case could be made that FemAce doesn't want MaleAce to know (although if that were true I suppose she wouldn't keep leaving girl clothes on when she went to sleep, heh).

Thus, I choose to see this as two horndogs (sorry, one horndog, one horncat) suddenly having a reason to be nice to Ace; Ace being confused by the attention and increased friendliness; and FemAce getting to live it up one night a month until the "curse" is broken (which of course raises the question of what happens to FemAce--either her soul goes elsewhere, or she was always a part of Ace, which makes the whole thing even more consensual than it already was ).

Which on the whole cheapens and alters all three (four?) characters as we know them.

First of all, from male Ace's perspective, *none* of this is consensual. Even when he was changed into a girl he made a conscious effort to remember his male self's preferences and avoid contact of the romantic sort with boys in hopes he would be cured. Originally female Ace was just that; female Ace. This little abomination here is an excuse to genderbend Ace for the Nth time.

Second of all, Dio's incredibly elitist, borderline racist even. Not only wasn't he head over heels for Chloe despite her efforts, he actively despises werewolves, nicer side or not. For one, he wouldn't want to spend a night at a werewolf's place; for two, he definitely doesn't strike me as the type to go 'huehuehue let's put a dress on him'; for three, he's still very much aware Grace/Acina is a werewolf and would make a conscious effort to distance himself from her, and four, not only is he supposed to want to win over one of the vampire sisters, if he's anywhere near close in attitude to Ash 'she was male once' would be a huge deal breaker.

Third of all, Kade and Dio were *definitely never friendly enough with one another to actively 'share' a date*, and Dio strikes me as the type who would never do it.

The only person who acts reasonably close to his original personality and situation in regards to it is Kade. Who ironically would make far more sense as the 'girl-changing' hero(ine) of this strip than Ace would since Ace was supposed to be cleared of the leftover magic.

Yeah the implications are kind of uncomfortable. Even if nothing....occurred, that's still kind of messed up how his "friends" are using him(or rather female!him) like that.

But it's funny! Because :
1) Ace is a man changed into a girl!
2) Ace is Ace! Hahahahahaha! You get it, Ace suffers! Because he's Ace! Hahahahahahahahaha

A question.

If female Ace is in the middle of having sex with a guy just as the sun comes up, when Ace reverts back to his male form, where does the other guy's penis end up?

First of all, Ace lives the rest of his life knowing he was raped.

Second of all, one or both of them gets horribly mutilated. But it's funny, because they're men. Hahahahaha.

The first major question is: Is Female!Ace just as 'Real' as the main Ace. Following from that; if so, how much rights does she have to use 'her' body. Presumably 'As much as the male!ace does'. As we can run into a similarly questionable situation with male!ace making out with someone female!ace wouldn't approve of. If you share a body with someone else, there is all sorts of new responsibilities and questions about bodily autonomy rights that don't normally apply.

It could go some dark places but the concept is fascinating from a philosophical perspective.

Ace has no rights to his body because of his toxic masculinity. Obviously this whole situation is entirely different from when Layla tried to win her own body back, because... No, I'm drawing a blank. I mean it's true that female Ace was essentially created as a result of a psychopatic doll's desire to change the whole school into bimbo girls, but when the same psychopatic doll turned her powers into enhancing and dumbing out girls they were pretty much spared from all maliciousness, but obviously this is just Ace we're talking about, so his emotions and rights are entirely inconsequential.

So, if the series were to continue, would there be a twins situation? Would Ace and Grace be separated, thus giving most of us what we want?

No, a far better outcome would be Ace forever gone, only becoming an observer stuck in Grace's body unable to do anything. That'd be so funny. Because he's Ace. Get it?

@Raamyah: I'd prefer Ace just be Ace. We already have Mel for the split persona angle and Alchemy for the male/female shapeshifter. Do we really need another one?

I don't see why Ace should have to be put through this, just 'cuz some readers would rather he be changed back into a girl. That's hardly fair to his character, especially given the circumstances.

^this

You guys have no sense of humor. Let me remind you it's funny when a man's personality, principles, sexual orientation, or morality get automatically overwritten with no way of undoing it.

[dmra]

Leaving aside all the issues around consent and identity I just think this whole changing men into women thing is becoming a cliche and is therefore tired and uninteresting. We've have Kade change, Ace Change and Teddy change. The latter two in particular seem to have become nothing but characters who are supposed to be interesting and entertaining because they're boys who have turned into girls when there are so many more interesting story lines that they could be involved in.

At least vary it by having one of the female characters turn into a man and explore what that means for them. OH but even the shape shifting succubi won't try doing that because it might "stick" and Hell help us that any woman should have to live her life as a man.

[UnsightlyWalrus]

Let's put it this way: a girl normally wouldn't sleep with a guy. Guy feeds her aphrodisiac and of course she becomes "willing". Next morning she wakes up, the aphrodisiac has worn off and she can't remember anything that happened last night. Now try to claim that she was willing.