Magick Chicks 21-06-16 Two Melissas - pg 10 of 10

Discuss EC/MC/DC here!

Moderators: Dave Zero1, Don Alexander, Giz, midgetshrimp, Cassandra

Re: Magick Chicks 21-06-16 Two Melissas - pg 10 of 10

Postby Gotoh » Thu Jun 23, 2016 10:28 am

Don Alexander wrote:I don't remember who it was, but someone on the forum was an extreme Nina hater and claimed she was totally evil...


No idea who that might've been. I'll admit that I didn't care much for her character either, but she kinda grew on me due to her character development in vol.4.

brasca wrote:Seeing as how Blair betrayed her confidence, he wasn't really her most beloved possession anymore so Nina was more than willing to give him to Blair.


Look at that scene again, that isn't the face of someone who's happy to part with what they're giving away.

Fluffy wrote:Nina was Brooke's bestie. You don't hit on your bestie's boyfriend and come out looking innocent by any stretch.


Normally, I'd agree with that. But you're overlooking something: Nina was manipulated into doing that. First by Tia, for her own amusement. Then by Cess who further encouraged her. That doesn't exonerate Nina since she went along with it, but they were the ones that put her up to it.

And as you yourself acknowledged, Nina had no idea what "second base" meant. Just as she hadn't been prepared for french kissing and was repulsed by it when it happened. Her actions aren't always innocent, but her mindset usually is.
Gotoh
 
Posts: 3238
Joined: Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:18 pm

Re: Magick Chicks 21-06-16 Two Melissas - pg 10 of 10

Postby tau neutrino » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:09 am

Why are both Melissa's now murderous, when the evil one didn't even want to kill Cerise after the latter's betrayal? Also, if one can kill the other half and still live, why not just have her thugs kill the blonde Melissa instead of selling her to the sultan?
User avatar
tau neutrino
 
Posts: 268
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:28 am

Re: Magick Chicks 21-06-16 Two Melissas - pg 10 of 10

Postby brasca » Thu Jun 23, 2016 11:45 am

Gotoh wrote:
brasca wrote:Seeing as how Blair betrayed her confidence, he wasn't really her most beloved possession anymore so Nina was more than willing to give him to Blair.


Look at that scene again, that isn't the face of someone who's happy to part with what they're giving away.


It looks more like mixed emotions. If she was really broken up about it she'd be bawling her eyes out.

Gotoh wrote:
Fluffy wrote:Nina was Brooke's bestie. You don't hit on your bestie's boyfriend and come out looking innocent by any stretch.


Normally, I'd agree with that. But you're overlooking something: Nina was manipulated into doing that. First by Tia, for her own amusement. Then by Cess who further encouraged her. That doesn't exonerate Nina since she went along with it, but they were the ones that put her up to it.

And as you yourself acknowledged, Nina had no idea what "second base" meant. Just as she hadn't been prepared for french kissing and was repulsed by it when it happened. Her actions aren't always innocent, but her mindset usually is.


Regardless of all that you claimed that Nina was purely good and the evidence I and Fluffy have presented prove otherwise. Overall she's a good person, but she has her flaws and is not purely good.

tau neutrino wrote:Why are both Melissa's now murderous, when the evil one didn't even want to kill Cerise after the latter's betrayal? Also, if one can kill the other half and still live, why not just have her thugs kill the blonde Melissa instead of selling her to the sultan?


She's Anastasia's daughter. I'm sure when she was Queen Obscuria there were plenty of times she could've killed Musical Starlight, but just set up overly elaborate traps and classic supervillian monologues that reveal everything about what she's planning to do. Lissa could've just had her thugs kill her, but selling her to a harem is more fiendish and her natural tendency is to do that. As for why Cerise is still alive that was fused Melissa's call. Good Melissa wouldn't have any cause to attack her unless Cerise gave her one and I think she appreciates her keeping Artemis Academy from killing her. As for Lissa.... Well Megatron needs his Starscream.
User avatar
brasca
 
Posts: 2677
Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:04 am

Re: Magick Chicks 21-06-16 Two Melissas - pg 10 of 10

Postby Gotoh » Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:25 pm

brasca wrote:It looks more like mixed emotions. If she was really broken up about it she'd be bawling her eyes out.


Not everyone cries when they're hurting.

Gotoh wrote:Regardless of all that you claimed that Nina was purely good and the evidence I and Fluffy have presented prove otherwise.


Regardless, the comic has said and shown that she is. Nina was so pure, that it caused Doompantied Chloe to become physically ill from simply being near her - which Chloe admitted via internal monologue. Nina's purity was strong enough to temporarily break the Doompanties influence on her.
Gotoh
 
Posts: 3238
Joined: Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:18 pm

Re: Magick Chicks 21-06-16 Two Melissas - pg 10 of 10

Postby Error of Logic » Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:48 pm

Gotoh wrote:@Error of Logic: When you look at it that way, it almost makes the Delacroix Family seem normal by comparison.


I looked at the ending of the main MC storyline, and... and I'd prefer to think of these recent pages as non-canon. They don't do the main story any justice at all.
My comic, Res Mira, starts here.

The crazy will bust loose. Either in the stories or on the forum. Or both at the same time.

Mad theory: Eulice is actually a retired succubus. This explains why she says DiDi Chastel looks like she did in her younger years. She maintains her current form because it allows her to get through her day without having to turn down sexual advances.

A busty redhead by decree of the Internet...? o.o;
User avatar
Error of Logic
 
Posts: 4596
Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:43 pm

Re: Magick Chicks 21-06-16 Two Melissas - pg 10 of 10

Postby Fluffy » Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:32 pm

Agreed - it feels more like a one shot, badly written fanfiction. Though folks would say it's canon because it has the same writer. :p

I'd personally rather see this mini arc as being non-canon; as it's rather depressing to think that both Melissas take on their mothers behavior of trying to kill each other instead of trying to get along as siblings.
Please, don't come to me expecting me to fix your problems.
User avatar
Fluffy
 
Posts: 2562
Joined: Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:14 pm

Re: Magick Chicks 21-06-16 Two Melissas - pg 10 of 10

Postby Gotoh » Thu Jun 23, 2016 8:18 pm

Error of Logic wrote:I looked at the ending of the main MC storyline, and... and I'd prefer to think of these recent pages as non-canon. They don't do the main story any justice at all.


I look at as more of an omake, since it's basically a comedy short.
Gotoh
 
Posts: 3238
Joined: Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:18 pm

Re: Magick Chicks 21-06-16 Two Melissas - pg 10 of 10

Postby brasca » Fri Jun 24, 2016 5:30 am

Gotoh wrote:
brasca wrote:It looks more like mixed emotions. If she was really broken up about it she'd be bawling her eyes out.


Not everyone cries when they're hurting.


Really? Here's the scene where Chloe goes to her new school. http://www.eeriecuties.com/strips-ec/blonde_and_blonder Now compare that to when she gives Blair away. Parting might have hurt, but not that much.

Gotoh wrote:
brasca wrote:Regardless of all that you claimed that Nina was purely good and the evidence I and Fluffy have presented prove otherwise.


Regardless, the comic has said and shown that she is. Nina was so pure, that it caused Doompantied Chloe to become physically ill from simply being near her - which Chloe admitted via internal monologue. Nina's purity was strong enough to temporarily break the Doompanties influence on her.


That doesn't prove pure goodness which is what you claimed. Yes Nina is a better person than most, but that doesn't make her purely good. If anything it proves that Chloe was still a good person even under the influence of the Doompanties. A truly evil succubus would corrupt her and I would add that since the introduction of Tia, Nina hasn't been as nice as good as she originally was which brings me to corrupting influences.

While I can understand some of the complaints about how this short story ended I think it makes more sense for Melissa to be slightly corrupted by Lissa's attempts to kill her. Good and evil cannot really coexist. Dakota has spent years playing house games with Anastasia and look what it's done to her. I doubt the original Musical Starlight would do the things she's done, but it's not all that surprising when you are forced to live with your arch enemy. If she doesn't want Melissa to turn out the way she did the best thing she can do is see about changing her career so she can stay at home, get a divorce, and a separate house for her and Melissa.

Overall I found this story interesting enough to read, but it will take some adjustment since there's a new artist. Thank you for stepping in Dan Parent.
User avatar
brasca
 
Posts: 2677
Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:04 am

Re: Magick Chicks 21-06-16 Two Melissas - pg 10 of 10

Postby Fluffy » Fri Jun 24, 2016 11:41 pm

The only feasible reason I could see why Dakota and Anastasia simply don't separate and take one daughter each (good Mel with Dakota and Dark Mel with Anastasia) is because both Melissa's are still their own daughters.

That, and they probably don't trust one another to raise the daughters properly on their own (i.e. - Anastasia would worry that Dakota would raise Good Mel as a goody two shoes while Dakota would be convinced that Anastasia would raise Dark Mel to be an abominable evil). So, best to stay together and raise the daughters together so that neither turn into either mother's worst nightmare.
Please, don't come to me expecting me to fix your problems.
User avatar
Fluffy
 
Posts: 2562
Joined: Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:14 pm

Re: Magick Chicks 21-06-16 Two Melissas - pg 10 of 10

Postby JoybuzzerX » Sat Jun 25, 2016 5:37 am

Could be they can't be separated as much as they may like to be either.

She's one Melissa until she decides to separate.

Quote removed. The DAMNed
JoybuzzerX
 
Posts: 954
Joined: Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:02 am

Re: Magick Chicks 21-06-16 Two Melissas - pg 10 of 10

Postby Spidrift » Sat Jun 25, 2016 8:08 am

The rules of that condition have never been laid down. Do they have to spend some time merged? Would the death of one hurt the other (despite what they keep doing)? Does the merged version have both sets of powers at full strength, or half strength, or strength squared, or what? Et cetera, et cetera.

I doubt that we'll get many answers to all that, frankly. Giz seems to be interested in writing a funny school/teen comic strip with some supernatural features, not a fully developed urban fantasy saga.
---------
Spidrift
"Brevior vita est quam pro futumentibus negotium agendo."
-- Motto of Hogshead Publishing of fond memory, and wise words to set your Foes List by.
Avatar misappropriated from the wonderful XKCD.
User avatar
Spidrift
 
Posts: 10728
Joined: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:11 pm

Re: Magick Chicks 21-06-16 Two Melissas - pg 10 of 10

Postby Cortez » Sat Jun 25, 2016 7:36 pm

tau neutrino wrote:Why are both Melissa's now murderous, when the evil one didn't even want to kill Cerise after the latter's betrayal? Also, if one can kill the other half and still live, why not just have her thugs kill the blonde Melissa instead of selling her to the sultan?


The things belonged to the Sultan, not Evil Melissa.

brasca wrote: As for Lissa.... Well Megatron needs his Starscream.



Most recent Megatrons tend to get rid of Starscreams once it becomes obvious they are trying to overthrow em though.

Fluffy wrote:The only feasible reason I could see why Dakota and Anastasia simply don't separate and take one daughter each (good Mel with Dakota and Dark Mel with Anastasia) is because both Melissa's are still their own daughters.



Not sure that's right. Good Mel seems to connect more with Anastasia and Dakota with Dark Mel.

Error of Logic wrote:
I looked at the ending of the main MC storyline, and... and I'd prefer to think of these recent pages as non-canon. They don't do the main story any justice at all.


They are canon though. Obviously so, since it was already established the two halves didn't get along.
User avatar
Cortez
 
Posts: 1536
Joined: Tue Dec 25, 2012 8:53 am

Re: Magick Chicks 21-06-16 Two Melissas - pg 10 of 10

Postby Error of Logic » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:25 am

Sure. But they found a place of balance somewhere in the main storyline. And even at her worst, Hecate Hatorade-Melissa was not a killer.
My comic, Res Mira, starts here.

The crazy will bust loose. Either in the stories or on the forum. Or both at the same time.

Mad theory: Eulice is actually a retired succubus. This explains why she says DiDi Chastel looks like she did in her younger years. She maintains her current form because it allows her to get through her day without having to turn down sexual advances.

A busty redhead by decree of the Internet...? o.o;
User avatar
Error of Logic
 
Posts: 4596
Joined: Thu Sep 16, 2010 6:43 pm

Re: Magick Chicks 21-06-16 Two Melissas - pg 10 of 10

Postby tau neutrino » Sun Jun 26, 2016 12:10 pm

brasca wrote:
tau neutrino wrote:Why are both Melissa's now murderous, when the evil one didn't even want to kill Cerise after the latter's betrayal? Also, if one can kill the other half and still live, why not just have her thugs kill the blonde Melissa instead of selling her to the sultan?


She's Anastasia's daughter. I'm sure when she was Queen Obscuria there were plenty of times she could've killed Musical Starlight, but just set up overly elaborate traps and classic supervillian monologues that reveal everything about what she's planning to do. Lissa could've just had her thugs kill her, but selling her to a harem is more fiendish and her natural tendency is to do that. As for why Cerise is still alive that was fused Melissa's call. Good Melissa wouldn't have any cause to attack her unless Cerise gave her one and I think she appreciates her keeping Artemis Academy from killing her. As for Lissa.... Well Megatron needs his Starscream.


Dakota recalled her battles as the same as Sailor Moon's where her enemies would send a monster of the week to kill her. No deathtraps or monologues. Anastasia is even a Queen Beryl expy. As seen in the link, Melissa still spares Cerise even though she's all dark at that time.

Cortez wrote:The things belonged to the Sultan, not Evil Melissa.


No, Evil Melissa hired them.

Cortez wrote:
brasca wrote: As for Lissa.... Well Megatron needs his Starscream.



Most recent Megatrons tend to get rid of Starscreams once it becomes obvious they are trying to overthrow em though.


For example, the first Transformers movie where Megatron's first act as Galvatron is to take out Starscream.

Error of Logic wrote:Sure. But they found a place of balance somewhere in the main storyline. And even at her worst, Hecate Hatorade-Melissa was not a killer.


Between this and the murderous siren in the previous comic, I'm wondering if Ace will be eating people when his comes up.
User avatar
tau neutrino
 
Posts: 268
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2015 7:28 am

Re: Magick Chicks 21-06-16 Two Melissas - pg 10 of 10

Postby Gotoh » Sun Jun 26, 2016 3:21 pm

tau neutrino wrote:Between this and the murderous siren in the previous comic, I'm wondering if Ace will be eating people when his comes up.


That's a weird leap of logic, based on only two other people's actions. Especially since Ace has been shown eating at diners and even took Mel to his favorite one.
Gotoh
 
Posts: 3238
Joined: Sat Jan 12, 2013 9:18 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Eerie Cuties / Magick Chicks / Dangerously Chloe

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot] and 5 guests