Eerie Cuties 09-05-16 Siren Brawl pg 11 of 12

[Hyper Magi]

There's not many situations in which literal suicide is the "better" choice over doing what is necessary for survival. And honestly I think many problems in this world comes from choosing the "lesser evil". Because you're still choosing evil.


If you were a sentient sea creature would you kill yourself for the sake of what is essentially your food? Your options are pretty limited considering many fish are fast and not very filling(and you'd have to constantly chase after them). And the larger ones(Sharks, whales, etc) could very easily kill you. You rely on drowning your prey so that doesn't speak wonders about your combat capabilities. Do you make a choice to survive, like nature intends? Or do you sacrifice yourself for the sake of a species that appears to have no qualms about killing themselves?

[Storm-forge mystique]

Makes me think of Spec Ops: the Line - about halfway through, you're put into a situation where your only options are to use white phosphorous on an enemy camp, or die. As it turns out, the enemies are guarding a tent full of civilians, and after a while, the loading screens start to say:

Collateral damage can be justified, if the gain outweighs the cost. How much do you think Adams and Lugo are worth?

...in other words, "since there were only three of you, you should have run into the bullets."

[Sk'thloq]

It is a moral being's duty to choose the lesser of two evils, and an individual ending one's own life rather than killing many innocents is the less evil choice.

So Marine, and presumably, her entire species, are immoral for not wanting to starve to death?

[Tako]

Oh great. A whimsical serial killer. How nice.

She's no more a serial killer than a lion that eats gazelle. It sucks for the victim, but they've both gotta eat.

And any human who kibosh her is no more a killer than a buffalo who kills a lion. The rules of nature go both sides. So f**k the monsters if they have to hide and there are schools for people to learn how to hunt them.

Uh... no.
HELL no.
It's not the same thing at all. The gazelle isn't sapient, so killing her isn't murder - at most it could be called animal abuse, and even that's pushing it. The lion isn't sapient, it literally has no choice.

They're both sapient, so what? It doesn't change the fact that one has to eat the other to sustain herself. Saying she has a choice is an assumption.

Abstaining may be possible for some, like Brooke, but even she admitted that it isn't easy for her to do, because she's constantly fighting her own nature. Just as it's in Tia's nature to feed off other people's misery, or else she'll cease to exist. Or how Layla can eat human food, but still needs blood.

So yes, it sucks for the victim, but ultimately, it cannot be helped.

Of course it can be helped. You can kill the monsters. Problem solved.

[Cortez]

There's not many situations in which literal suicide is the "better" choice over doing what is necessary for survival. And honestly I think many problems in this world comes from choosing the "lesser evil". Because you're still choosing evil.


If?

The hell are you even talking about? You also haven't eaten fish, because they can be filling. Most aquatic creatures survive by eating other aquatic creatures.

So that is a viable option and not choosing it makes them evil.

By the way, the misanthropy is getting old. No offense.

All poor examples since their positions are obviously bias, especially Layla's.

Of course a killer would try to justify what they are doing. Very rarely do they admit wrong doing.

Since when is Layla (or any of the others I mentioned) a killer?
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Did you honestly forget what you posted? The link to Layla fighting Faith?

[Hyper Magi]

Some fish perhaps, but those may not necessary be around. Not to mention we don't have to chase after fish, it's usually already dead and ready to be cooked. Worse case you get out a fishing rod and use up a lot less energy catching a fish than swimming after it. We're not even going into the frankly impossible to determine metabolism of a siren here.

I'm not trying to be misanthropic(It's more Devil's Advocate). I just don't see why we should be a special case for any non human. Every society has a different definition of "evil" after all. If humans killing monsters isn't evil, why should monsters killing humans be considered any different? At least she's eating anyone she drowns instead of letting the corpse rot.

[Error of Logic]

It's all very simple.

Marine does not need to be evil, although I agree she is at the very least ethically and morally questionable. Just like a lion or a kodiak bear who has come to see humans as a food source, she is a threat to the human species. That gives humans the same right to pursue, and yes, even kill her as the leader of a herd of buffalo has when a lion attacks the herd.

You may argue she has the right to survive, and that is true. But so do her victims. And as a social species, humans have the capacity to track and deal with a confirmed threat to the species even if that threat has not affected them personally - yet.

If you want to talk survival instead of ethics and morals, cool. But Marine ends up sushi ingredients either way unless she switches to different prey. And if no suitable prey is nearby, she's free to swim away.

Heck, she could probably even in this day and age find places where she would be welcomed with awe, even worshipped, and given sacrifices to sate her needs. Instead, she hypnotizes and drowns people for consumption. I find that significant...

One final point for everyone: IT'S A TORTOISE, NOT A TURTLE!

[FuzzyFace]

It is a moral being's duty to choose the lesser of two evils, and an individual ending one's own life rather than killing many innocents is the less evil choice.

Where does this definition of morality come from?

[Gotoh]

It's all very simple.

Marine does not need to be evil, although I agree she is at the very least ethically and morally questionable. Just like a lion or a kodiak bear who has come to see humans as a food source, she is a threat to the human species. That gives humans the same right to pursue, and yes, even kill her as the leader of a herd of buffalo has when a lion attacks the herd.

You may argue she has the right to survive, and that is true. But so do her victims. And as a social species, humans have the capacity to track and deal with a confirmed threat to the species even if that threat has not affected them personally - yet.

EoL gets it. This is all I've been saying, but he put it more concisely than I did.

Did you honestly forget what you posted? The Link to Layla fighting Faith?

Okay, two things wrong here:

• 1. No, I didn't forget.

• 2. Hotness 1 (Layla) never intended to kill Hotness 2 (Faith).

...and they've both gone on with their lives since then. So, your point is...?

[brasca]

Perhaps the ambiguous rules that established an uneasy peace between cryptids and humans don't apply at sea. Human domination of the seas is really restricted to the surface. Below the waves sirens and other cryptids may do as they please since humans can't live underwater and outnumber them as they do land based cryptids.

As such the sirens still feed off of humans the old fashioned way, but run the risk of getting caught or killed by monster hunters if they stray too far from the beaches. How sirens feed is unclear. Do they require blood like vampires or is it life force like succubi? Both of those cryptids take care not to kill for whatever rules or reasons exist, but it's also easy to feed without killing since an unconscious victim can be discarded on land without them drowning. Even if sirens were more humane about eating and put a life preserver around their victims they still might float so far off to sea they could still die.

[Error of Logic]

"*burp* Great nosh. Let's clean up."

"Right. Where's the life preserver?"

"... I thought you had it."

"Now what are we supposed to do with this human, dammit?"

[Sk'thloq]

But Marine ends up sushi ingredients either way unless she switches to different prey.

And how do you know she even can? Perhaps sirens are like vampires; they specifically need to feed off of humans in order to survive. Given that preying on other species would be much easier and far less dangerous, this strikes me as extremely likely.

[Spidrift]

In which case, tragedy. Next time, she may well run into competent slayers, after killing a bunch of people she doesn't happen to find cute.

[Don Alexander]

It is a moral being's duty to choose the lesser of two evils

She's a non-human sapient. Who says she has to obey the moral statutes humans have? I think it's likely if one would mention that she might kill another siren, she'd be aghast - that would be murder most foul!

Humans, on the other hand, are just food. And she spared Dusky for a similar reason that you're not going to kill that cute tail-wagging golden retriever and grill it.

It's either that, or she is one sick puppy when it comes to her sexual tastes. Though admittedly, sirens traditionally go for humans, espcially guys. Sick puppies, all of 'em.

PS.: We've already had pretty much exactly this discussion years ago, in terms of vampires vs. slayers...

[Error of Logic]

Expanding on that sick thought - if Sirens are an all-female species, yet devour humans out of necessity or preference, then by our human standards they would be a whole species of psycho-/sociopathic cannibals, more or less. Living in the depths of the sea. Travelling across international borders with impunity. Capable of hypnosis...

But Marine ends up sushi ingredients either way unless she switches to different prey.

And how do you know she even can? Perhaps sirens are like vampires; they specifically need to feed off of humans in order to survive. Given that preying on other species would be much easier and far less dangerous, this strikes me as extremely likely.

If she can't, she's toast.
Sooner or later, she'll push her luck too far. As Harry Dresden can tell you, humans may be vulnerable individually, but as a species we outnumber and outgun any cryptid.
If you bring ethics and morality into it, it's a dark thing, justifiable only because she is herself a killer of sapients. If you argue bare-bones survival, it is simply inevitable. No social predator species tolerates threats to the species' survival.

Just an example: the various types of corvidae will fight beak and claw for resources, but if crows see a hawk attack a magpie, they don't go "Ha ha, one less competitor". They will DIVEBOMB that sucker until he gets off the magpie.