Dangerously Chloe 06-11-14 How I met your brother

[FlashD81]

<stops easting for a second and with a mouth full> what, you guys are doing a bang up job. <returns to eating popcorn>

[Zippy]

Okay, out-there, epileptic-tree, nay, Gotoh-level [;)] theory about what's going on here that occurred to me earlier: Chloe needs a soul. Literally, in the sense that pre-adult and adolescent succubi don't have one, but fully adult succubi need one to survive and they "harvest" the soul of their first f██k to use.

Why am I saying that? Three points:
1) Chloe was clearly "full" after her sub-coital encounter with the quarterback in #48, so it is unlikely to be a simple lack of energy.
2) Sgt Slash-Stab demanded to know "Cadet Love! Why have you returned without a soul?!" in #21. In the natural scheme of things - or even with lethal sub-coital feeding on her part, as with the events of the last chapter, she doesn't take the soul down personally. It either goes automatically, or a Reaper like Alchemy comes along to finish them off if they're still tethered. That implies, at least, that if Chloe had f██ked Teddy to death in "five minutes" (#35) as she was "meant" to, she would at least have been holding his soul in her womb (area) for personal delivery.
3) Back in EC's "Dark Chloe Saga", Mad-Chloe-in-Doompanties was going to "simply absorb all your souls, and we'll live as one glorious entity" (EC #312), which means she could do it.

Far from convinced this is actually what'll happen - do they really want Chloe ACTUALLY killing someone? - but at the same time, I can't imagine this arc ends with Chloe getting a dildo and instruction manual...

and Abby is more terrified of Chloe dying than of Teddy dying and going to hell(if Chloe and Ted do it)

Haven't we established by now that Abby has the attention span of a goldfish? She heard "my friend is going to die unless she loses her virginity" and immediately jumped to a solution without considering the drawbacks of that solution. As usual.

Well technically she did kill him, so maybe that voided the contract.

Explicitly not.

my thinking there is that chloe isn't that far along in her training, but they sent her up anyway because it's a matter of biological necessity at this point, training or no.

I agree with this part, but...

if you look at chloe in comparison to pandora or her other classmates, she's visibly more mature than any of them.

I'm not sure I buy this part. Chloe has big boobs because she... has big boobs and has done since the very earliest stages of her puberty.

If you mean the horns, Lucretia, the darkish-skinned Sonya lookalike on the far left and at least one from Elouise & Rosalia all have horns just as big as her. If anything, Pandora's the outlier with her tiny little nubs, and she's rather sensitive about her underdevelopment in that area!

Otherwise, they all look fairly much of a muchness, age-wise, to me. (Cassandra has her virtues as an artist, but clearly delineating between the ages of young characters ain't one of them)

I think Chloe's plan is to lose her virginity with somebody else, which won't damn the soul of that other guy (and may not kill him, if she is able to control herself, but I'm not sure she can).

"I'll get round to it" says to me that she's just trying not to think about it.

2. What exactly ARE the Rules? First it's "You wished for a girlfriend in exchange for your soul"; the fact that Teddy didn't know the price, eh... Conceivable it was written on the statue and it was assumed it was read, ok, but...
the contract is his soul is forfeit AFTER he gets sex from Chile and AFTER he dies.
If he dies a virgin (which he did) then he should never have been destined to hell. He can't be charged the price when he was never given the product, right?

He was given a girlfriend. If he hasn't "taken advantage of that" owing to the disadvantages therein, that's his own lookout, he was still given one! If he walks in front of a car tomorrow, his card is still marked "Go directly to hell, do not pass purgatory, do not collect $200" as Alchemy confirmed.

I don't think Abby understands how serious the situation is IF Chloe sleeps with Teddy. I mean Chloe could not control herself with some 2nd base action, how is she going to keep from killing Teddy with a home run?

Maybe not. I think she's just not thinking about it, as I said. She's a VERY short-term thinker.

[Tython]

Okay here is my quick opinion on the matter of Pandora, Pandora was I believe introduced to expand upon the characters and setting of the comic, that is introducing the Angels, Heaven/Hell relations, Chloe's time at the academy, showing that not all demons and angels are at each others throats etc. The main element might be that she proved very popular among the readers so a character that was only meant for a single arc with occasion appearances every now and then like the angels became a full blown cast member and they needed a reason for her to stay around and so just added her to the "harem" and said screw it to the plot hole of why she is still there.

Even with the flimsy justification that Teddy touched her horns as seen here http://www.dangerouslychloe.com/strips-dc/my_hero and the reasoning is flimsy since they don't go into detail about what makes the horn touching so personal that it would justify her staying there, i.e. in Succubus culture the first one of the opposite gender to touch your horns becomes your husband etc. So yeah it's a massive plot hole.

[wiseguy]

well


Pandy says

"Ted touched my horn without asking permission "(true or false?) TRUE!

basic Chloe reaction? "how could you(Ted) touch her horn without asking permission? "

is implied that Chloe agrees that Ted is responsible now for Pandi, no disagreement

those Succubus have strange norms and rules


Chloe would have been mad too if Ted touched her horns without asking first, it was not so much that she touched Pandi w/out asking, is that Ted touched any Succubus w/out asking

[Tython]

Which again is never really explained to Teddy or the reader so it comes off as lazy writing in not wanting to explain why Pandora is now staying at Teddy's place for the foreseeable future.

[Zippy]

Wiseguy, you're conflating entirely separate statements. The horn-touching relates EXCLUSIVELY to "continue where we left off", not to "your responsibility" (which relates to them not turning her in. They probably could have told her to piss off, yes, but she judged her marks well).

[crimzontearz]

Her being Teddy's responsibility is established earlier when she paralyzes herself


The horn touching is obviously a sexual act for a succubus seen as Pandora pulls what us likely to be an "O" face...( kinda like a Ferenghi with the ears).

That said


Some humans could likely survive....remember Ash was able to survive a triple drain AND still have energy to run cheerfully off....so perhaps the theory of doping Ted with GoldWings and letting them have fun could work






Still.....I volunteer

[vampire hunter D]

There's an idea. Ash is single now. Maybe she should look him up

[crimzontearz]

Ash + GoldWings = sure survival

[Varanus]

Okay, out-there, epileptic-tree, nay, Gotoh-level [;)] theory about what's going on here that occurred to me earlier: Chloe needs a soul. Literally, in the sense that pre-adult and adolescent succubi don't have one, but fully adult succubi need one to survive and they "harvest" the soul of their first f██k to use.

Why am I saying that? Three points:
1) Chloe was clearly "full" after her sub-coital encounter with the quarterback in #48, so it is unlikely to be a simple lack of energy.
2) Sgt Slash-Stab demanded to know "Cadet Love! Why have you returned without a soul?!" in #21. In the natural scheme of things - or even with lethal sub-coital feeding on her part, as with the events of the last chapter, she doesn't take the soul down personally. It either goes automatically, or a Reaper like Alchemy comes along to finish them off if they're still tethered. That implies, at least, that if Chloe had f██ked Teddy to death in "five minutes" (#35) as she was "meant" to, she would at least have been holding his soul in her womb (area) for personal delivery.
3) Back in EC's "Dark Chloe Saga", Mad-Chloe-in-Doompanties was going to "simply absorb all your souls, and we'll live as one glorious entity" (EC #312), which means she could do it.

But if the point of this was Chloe somehow gaining Teddy's soul and making it into her own then why talk about Teddy getting stuck in Hell if he technically won't exist as himself anymore?

Given succubi are born and can die in this setting I see no reason to think they aren't born with a soul. We've seen no indications they are any different from other beings in this regard.

Further it would seem the sex rather than consuming/destroying the soul is the important part given SlashStab seemed to think Teddy's soul would still be around after the sex (though perhaps inside Chloe for the time being).

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Anyway, this sure goes a long way to explain the things that caused my confusion in the previous strip. So succubi normally don't need to have sex to live, but by a certain age they do need to have sex at least once or they will get sick and die (no word yet if after this they have to keep having sex on some kind of time table). Reminds me of female ferrets, who are likely to die if they go into heat and do not breed (if not spayed they stay in heat and various health problems eventually occur).

Now the question is can Chloe have sex with a man and not kill him? Perhaps we will soon find out if it is the sex or the contract fulfillment that will kill Teddy.

I also find it funny that Abby's sex education questions have turned into a lesson on succubus sexual needs.

[Random Passer By]

Anybody here play The Last Of Us?

There is a similar argument about part of the ending of that. Without spoiling too much there are two ways of looking at a (missable) report made on a doctor's dictaphone where he is talking about attempts to cure to the infection the game is based around. It is established early on that one of the characters is immune and is the only person ever to be so, the report talks about the result of tests done on this person and talks about previous patients. There is much confusion about whether he is talking about other people found to be immune or whether he is simply referring to ordinary infected that were examined. The confusion stems from people conflating (that's the word I was after, thanks Zippy) this report with a later statement from a character apparently lying about finding other immunes, said person mentions that there are dozens of immunes. Without hearing the report this is obviously a lie but some who heard but misunderstood the report think that it means that it was not a lie.
They conflate the statement and the report, thinking that it must mean that the previous patients were the immune dozens despite it not giving any kind of number and only explicitly applying the word immune to the one character.

In both that and this, conflation is an easy mistake to make as it changes a situation in a way that can seem completely legit.

"Ted touched my horn without asking permission "(true or false?) TRUE!

basic Chloe reaction? "how could you(Ted) touch her horn without asking permission? "

is implied that Chloe agrees that Ted is responsible now for Pandi, no disagreement

those Succubus have strange norms and rules

Lines 1,2 and 4 completely and undisputedly true. Line 3 Disagreement, implication is unrelated to responsibility, that's where the conflation is happening.

Still enjoying that popcorn FlashD81?

PS. Wiseguy, don't make that flower into tea, it is in fact deadly poison.

EDIT Huh, the more I argue it the more sure I am that I'm right... The internet is a dark and insidious thing.

[wiseguy]

number 20 states that in order to break the contract of Chloe and Ted(as they essentially under heaven's eyes are married), he can't just have coitus with someone else, but that girl has to feel in her heart that she is Ted's girlfriend, not "just a lover"


interesting Question

Chloe is the Promised GF of Ted, what if Ted and Pandora have coitus sex, and Pandora is in love with Ted? will that make null the contract(since the promised GF is Chloe) or since Pandora is a succubus, she can be the substitute of Chloe, and be considered the promised GF of the contract?

BTW

since Pandora became responsibility of TEd, and if he does the same with Chloe

if Ted is able to get someone as his GF which might be a regular girl, or Alchemy, or EVEN Charity(which kind of looks similar to Lucretia)

Ted would still be responsible for the 2 of them(Pandi and Chloe) thus Ted will continue as one of the main roles of the strip without his soul going to hell

[Balancer]

I just went back and read through the earlier strips and I think my epileptic trees have started shaking so bear with me on this one.

In the initial few pages Chloe acted pretty much as a demon, full of confidence and focused in completing her task. However after finding out that Teddy isn't exactly deserving of his fate she decided to stay and help him wiggle out of it. However ever since then she's started to regress back to how she was pre-doompanties era, what if her time in Hell was spent trying to brainwash her into acting more appropriate to her species but her extended time away from there is allowing her to recover?

[Varanus]

We haven't had much in the way of flashbacks to her time in Tartarus, but what we have seen certainly doesn't look like anything involving brainwashing was going on. Seems to be just a school where you learn how to safely be a succubus. I assume that given Chloe's romantic inclinations she was simply not looking forward to bedding a guy she didn't know at all and she assumed deserved to go to Hell, hence her confident "let's get this over with" facade.

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[Balancer]

Or that...

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