Dangerously Chloe 27-10-14 Chapter 9: A Frank Discussion

[Insectoid]

EDIT: Wait, it just hit me... Chloe's braid and dress look familiar...

...er, why? Halloween costume, or the setup for an upcoming joke?

I noticed the exact same thing. Hopefully she doesn't start singing "Let It Go" because to me, in this context, it would just be, I don't know... Weird. (I'm very fond of Frozen, by the way.)

[vampire hunter D]

Fingers crossed Naomi gets involved instead.


On a side note, is it bad I still have not seen Frozen yet?

[wiseguy]

oh good grief!!!!!!!!!!


Abby's only hope is that the "lessons" would be a joint effort of Pandie and Charity

[crimzontearz]

Fingers crossed Naomi gets involved instead.


On a side note, is it bad I still have not seen Frozen yet?

You missed nothing


Just another movie in which Disney turned a villain into an anti hero for no apparent reason.....

[Cortez]

Oh dear, the last thing she needs it Chloe taking an interest. Pandora calling dibs is honestly a preferable scenario.

I think it's the other way around.

^What are you talking about? Elsa being more heroic was ultimately for the best. It's why the film is so popular.

[crimzontearz]

Disney has another franchise centered on the inability of humanity to accept differences.....it's called X-men. There was no need to twist the snow queen tale like that....and do not get me started on maleficent....


And just because I can


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And cue the Elsa/Bobbi/Rogue love triangle fan fiction



Oh FFS I hate android protocols...

[Zippy]

Huh. Was anyone else expecting a page or two of epilogue to Ch 8 after Teddy was back in his body?

[Qwertz]

I am absolutely sure that nothing will go wrong. 100 % sure. I swear. Seriously.

^^ This

[FlashD81]

Pandora: DIBS!
Chloe: STAY!
Me:

The both of them look good in this one. Chloe is hot pretty much no mater what and Dora is really cute with her hair like that.

As far telling Abby I wouldn't be surprised if she knew something already. Public schools sometimes have classes on human growth and development. Also there is the internet. Still for the best effect it will take the both of them to give Abby "the talk".

Then there is Teddy. How is he going to feel about this? I had a brother growing up so I wouldn't know.

[crimzontearz]

Probably reliev ed that he does not have to do it himself

[Mr. Bee]

Disney has another franchise centered on the inability of humanity to accept differences.....it's called X-men. There was no need to twist the snow queen tale like that....and do not get me started on maleficent......

Yeah, but Fox owns the movie rights, and there is no way they'll just let it go.

As for this story, I can see Chloe trying to be responsible and ask Teddy to have The Talk with Abby. Once he runs screaming to the hills, then she'll be the one to do it.

[crimzontearz]

Not my point....I just dislike the trend VERY much

[wiseguy]

Oh dear, the last thing she needs it Chloe taking an interest. Pandora calling dibs is honestly a preferable scenario.

I think it's the other way around.

^What are you talking about? Elsa being more heroic was ultimately for the best. It's why the film is so popular.

yes

I loved it, and I liked the Maleficent story and the two of the wizard of Oz (story of the wizard itself, and wicked)

and if we go technical

these are earlier versions of 10 classic faery tales

Sleeping Beauty

In one of the very earliest versions of this classic story, published in 1634 by Giambattista Basile as Sun, Moon, and Talia, the princess does not prick her finger on a spindle, but rather gets a sliver of flax stuck under her fingernail. She falls down, apparently dead, but her father cannot face the idea of losing her, so he lays her body on a bed in one of his estates. Later, a king out hunting in the woods finds her, and since he can’t wake her up, rapes her while she’s unconscious, then heads home to his own country. Some time after that, still unconscious, she gives birth to two children, and one of them accidentally sucks the splinter out of her finger, so she wakes up. The king who raped her is already married, but he burns his wife alive so he and Talia can be together. Don’t worry, the wife tries to kill and eat the babies first, so it’s all morally sound.

Little Red Riding Hood

If you can believe it, the Brothers Grimm actually made this story a lot nicer than it was when they got their hands on it. In Charles Perrault’s version, included in his 1697 collection Stories or Fairy Tales from Past Times: Tales of Mother Goose, there is no intrepid huntsman. Little Red simply strips naked, gets in bed, and then dies, eaten up by the big bad wolf, with no miraculous relief (in another version, she eats her own grandmother first, her flesh cooked up and her blood poured into a wine glass by our wolfish friend). Instead, Perrault gives us a little rhyming verse reminding us that not all wolves are wild beasts — some seduce with gentleness, sneak into our beds, and get us there. The sexual undertones are not lost on us — after all, the contemporary French idiom for a girl having lost her virginity was elle avoit vû le loup — she has seen the wolf.

Rumpelstiltskin

This story is pretty simple: a miller’s daughter is trapped and forced to spin straw into gold, on pain of death. A little man appears to her, and spins it for her, but says that he will take her child in payment unless she can guess his name. In the Grimm version, as retold by Pullman, when the maiden finally figures out Rumpelstiltskin’s name, he reacts rather badly: ‘The Devil told you that! The Devil told you that!’ the little man yelled, and in his fury he stamped his right foot so hard that he drove it into the ground right up to his waist. Then he took hold of his left foot with both hands and tore himself in two.” Ick.

Cinderella

Here, Perrault is much nicer than Grimm — in his version, the two cruel stepsisters get married off to members of the royal court after Cinderella is properly married to the prince. In the Grimm story, not only do the stepsisters cut off parts of their feet in order to fit into the glass slippers (surprise, surprise, the blood pooling in their shoes gives them away), but at the end, they have their eyes pecked out by doves. Just for good measure.

Snow White

First of all, in the original 1812 Grimm version of this tale, the evil Queen is Snow White’s actual mother, not her stepmother. We don’t know, but that makes it a lot more terrifying to us. The Disney version also left out the fact that the Queen sends the huntsman out to bring back Snow White’s liver and lungs, which she then means to eat. And the fact that she’s actually not in a deep sleep when the prince finds her — she’s dead, and he’s carting off her dead body to play with when his servant trips, jostles the coffin, and dislodges the poison apple from SW’s throat. Most notable, however, is the punishment the Grimms thought up for her. When the queen shows up at Snow White’s wedding, she’s forced to step into iron shoes that had been cooking in the fire, and then dances until she falls down dead.

Hansel and Gretel

The version of the story we know is already pretty gruesome — the evil stepmother abandons the children to die in the forest, they happen upon a cannibalistic witch’s cottage, she fattens them up to eat, they outwit and kill her and escape. The Grimm version is basically the same, but in an early French version, called The Lost Children, the witch is the Devil, and the Devil wants to bleed the children on a sawhorse. Of course, they pretend not to know how to get on, so the Devil has his wife (who tried to help the poor kids earlier in the story) show them. They promptly slit her throat, steal all the Devil’s money, and run off.

Rapunzel

Rapunzel, Rapunzel, let down your hair. Well, in the Grimm version, she does, a little too often, to a prince, and winds up pregnant, innocently remarking to her jailer witch that her clothes feel too tight. The witch, not to have any competition, chops off Rapunzel’s hair and magically transports her far away, where she lives as a beggar with no money, no home, and after a few months, two hungry mouths to feed. As for the prince, the witch lures him up and then pushes him from the window. Some thorn bushes break his fall, but also poke out his eyes. For all this extra bloodshed, however, there’s still a happy ending.

Goldilocks and the Three Bears

In this tale’s earliest known incarnation, there was no Goldilocks — only the three bears and a fox called Scrapefoot, who enters the three bears’ palace, sleeps in their beds and messes around with their salmon of knowledge. In the end, she either gets thrown out of the window or eaten, depending on who’s telling the tale. Interestingly, it has been suggested that the use of the word “vixen” to mean female fox is how we got to Goldilocks, by means of a crafty old woman in the intervening story incarnations.

The Little Mermaid

We all know the story of the little mermaid: she sells her voice for a pair of legs, flops around for a bit, then wins her prince’s heart, right? Well, not exactly. In Hans Christian Andersen’s original tale, she trades tongue for legs all right, but part of the deal is that every step will be nearly unbearable, like walking on sharp swords, and the day after the prince marries someone else, she’ll die and turn into sea foam. Hoping to win the prince’s heart, she dances for him, even though it’s agony. He claps along, but eventually decides to marry another. The mermaid’s sisters sell their hair to bring her a dagger and urge her to kill the prince and let his blood drip onto her feet, which will then become fins again. She sneaks up on him, but can’t bring herself to do it. So she dies, and dissolves into foam. Later, Andersen changed the ending, so that the mermaid becomes a “daughter of the air” — if she does good deeds for 300 years, she can get a soul and go to heaven. Many scholars find this rubbish.

The Frog Prince

Traditionally the very first story in the Grimm Brothers’ collection (and so it is in Pullman’s), this story is simple enough: the princess kisses the frog, out of the goodness of her heart, and he turns into a prince. Or, if you’re reading the original version, the frog tricks the resentful princess into making a deal with him, follows her home, keeps pushing himself further and further onto her silken pillow, until finally she hurls him against the wall. Somehow, this action is rewarded by his transformation into a prince, but it’s not even the most violent. In other early versions, she has to cut off his head instead. That’s rather far off from the traditional kiss, don’t you think?

and we got the tale of Snow-White and Rose-Red(Snow-White not to be confused with Snow White)

http://etc.usf.edu/lit2go/175/grimms-fa ... -rose-red/

[crimzontearz]

And I am cool with that being the original roster of fairy tales

I am ok with them being somehow reworked for the general audience....but there was no need for the snow queen to turn in poor little mutant wannabe.


Also...I am 100% ok with the exploration of material not present and explicit in the original work....but not with this kinda meddling.

An example

I am ok with exploring a time between the Lord of the rings and the Hobbit and a brand new character sided with a character only ever mentioned before (Celebrimbor) in a story that is brand new but set in a familiar universe....I am not OK with "yo guys what if we remake the Lord of the Rings Only Sauron was good all along And he tried to conquer middle earth because the elves men dwarves and hobbits were not environmentally friendly?"

[brasca]

For everyone who's continuously upset that nothing bad ever happens to Abby should be pleased by this next chapter.