Eerie Cuties 23-06-14 Like you have a choice

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Re: Eerie Cuties 23-06-14 Like you have a choice

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Gotoh wrote:
crimzontearz wrote:Layla grew up rather shallow, petty and despotic.
Such as....? :-\

'cuz the one I've seen is aloof, snarky, and generally means well. About the worst that can said about her, is the way she treats Ace sometimes. Yet we've seen that they've gotten along to.
Well, let's see. You're looking at her from the viewpoint of her (relative) friends. Let's look at her from an outside viewpoint - the way someone like Faith, or Tiffany's parents, would see her:
  • She routinely commits assault and battery on people. In the best case, this involves draining a significant amount of blood, dragging them around by the collar and dumping them unconscious somewhere where they're easy prey for muggers, rapists etc.
  • Not all of these go so well. In the very first strip, a guy lost a tooth. And this guy is revoked. D-E-A-D, revoked. Not to mention the Didialike she intended to drain "EVERY DAY" (Next strip suggests she did so for a week). And then there's the simpler things that can go wrong - someone who'd recently donated blood, or had other problems that losing a significant amount could be severely damaging to their health; or whose bite gets infected. (And note that recent strips suggest that all Blair did was ply Nina with chocolate and that was enough to suppress her bloodlust all by itself, implying there's no need for *any* vampires to actually drink blood. Even before you consider the possibilities of farming animals for blood and so forth.)
  • Moreover, she's far from above using her vampiric powers for selfish reasons, for herself or her friends, with no consideration for the victim - note her little stunt with getting Tiffany's pay doubled. Presumably, Becky owns the shop, else she would have been fired for that (probably Tiff too in the bargain!). The profitability of small "mom'n'pop" shops isn't exactly legendary, so that could have had serious consequences for the viability of the business, or at least Becky's ability to draw a living wage for herself. All because she shouted at Tiff for goofing off, when she WAS.

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Zippy wrote:Well, let's see. You're looking at her from the viewpoint of her (relative) friends. Let's look at her from an outside viewpoint - the way someone like Faith, or Tiffany's parents, would see her:
  • She routinely commits assault and battery on people. In the best case, this involves draining a significant amount of blood, dragging them around by the collar and dumping them unconscious somewhere where they're easy prey for muggers, rapists etc.
That last bit's an assumption, considering we've never seen where she "dumps" them afterward. The only evidence we have concerning the victims was the time Eleanor told Layla she'd place that guy where he'd awake to familiar surroundings when he regained consciousness. Granted, it was only that one time, but that didn't seem to imply she simply dumps them wherever.
Zippy wrote:[*]Not all of these go so well. In the very first strip, a guy lost a tooth. And this guy is revoked. D-E-A-D, revoked. Not to mention the Didialike she intended to drain "EVERY DAY" (Next strip suggests she did so for a week).
Show me a link that proves that second guy died, 'cuz Tiffany was bleeding out after Layla fed on her to and we saw she made a full recovery not long afterward.

As for that jogger, we have no proof she died either. More importantly, how does feeding make her shallow, petty, or despotic? Which is what crimsontearz was accusing her of? :-\
Zippy wrote:(And note that recent strips suggest that all Blair did was ply Nina with chocolate and that was enough to suppress her bloodlust all by itself, implying there's no need for *any* vampires to actually drink blood. Even before you consider the possibilities of farming animals for blood and so forth.)
That is a HUGE assumption, especially since DaveZero1 already said they have to feed. Nina is the exception, not the rule. What applies to her, does not apply to other vampires.
Zippy wrote:Moreover, she's far from above using her vampiric powers for selfish reasons, for herself or her friends, with no consideration for the victim - note her little stunt with getting Tiffany's pay doubled.
She told her to give Tiffany "a raise", she never specified by how much. While that wasn't fair to Becky, doing a favor for a friend, in return for their help is not selfish. As I said, Layla generally means well, even though the way she goes about it isn't necessarily what we (as humans) would consider acceptable.
Zippy wrote:Presumably, Becky owns the shop, else she would have been fired for that (probably Tiff too in the bargain!). The profitability of small "mom'n'pop" shops isn't exactly legendary, so that could have had serious consequences for the viability of the business, or at least Becky's ability to draw a living wage for herself. All because she shouted at Tiff for goofing off, when she WAS.[/list]
Becky is a store manager who works at the mall, I doubt she owns that fashion boutique. You're also judging Tiffany's work ethic based solely on her interactions with Layla, which hardly tells us how she normally performs on the job. I doubt she'd even have a job in the first place, if it was that big a deal.

The last time we saw Becky, she was under Nina's control, but she still had her job.

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Re: Eerie Cuties 23-06-14 Like you have a choice

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crimzontearz wrote:
Passing Through wrote: Since when is Layla fickle, what reason is there to think Lamia was fickle and how is she a batch? There's only one of her.
Byatch...not batch.

Layla grew up rather shallow, petty and despotic...Like Quintessa, still her alternate upbringing makes her a different person unless somehow the spell also suppresses any personality trait that is not purely quintessa-like which I doubt.
So it's a nonsense word then? Fair enough.

Layla isn't any of those things. As for Lamia, how on Despina can you make any declaration on what she was like or how she behaved? There's just no way to compare modern Layla to historic Lamia.
Varanus wrote:
Passing Through wrote:Layla spake saying she'd received a thousand years worth of life experience when she briefly contemplated dropping out of school.
I see, though if she had anything like an empire for even a portion of that time it lends even more support to the theory that the flashbacks we've seen were later fabrications/exaggerations. That is if she was really such an unstoppable genocidal killer who wiped out any opposition for centuries then one would think human civilization would have been more heavily damaged and taken note of their time under her thumb. Otherwise it would be like humanity somehow forgetting the black plague.

I just can't imagine the Lamia we've seen since her rebirth doing any/many of the horrible things we've heard about her in the past.
Well most of what we've heard about Lamia comes from Nina 'failed at history' Delacroix. And most of the rest comes from her enemy Blair. If we take the stories Nina read about Layla of old at face value, all she really did was set her cat on a couple of murderous intruders.

That's one of the reasons I'd like to see Brooke 'I got an A in Lamiology' Lynn's thoughts on this.
Don Alexander wrote:Well, lookee here, the great vampire parents have become servile servants.

Obviously both of them have been in on it.

Let's see if the info about Blair is truth or falsehood.
It's not every day your daughter suddenly becomes a Queen and realises you've been lying to her all her life. Layla's not their baby anymore, she's their methuselah now. And she's just declared Maria the best mother ever™.

Quite so, Lamia's return to life was obviously a plan of theirs.

You mean the information from Blair? If not, he's pretty much confessed to being an enemy agent. But if so... now you mention it, what has Blair actually said about Lamia beyond words to the effect of 'back foul fiend'?
Zippy wrote:Well, let's see. You're looking at her from the viewpoint of her (relative) friends. Let's look at her from an outside viewpoint - the way someone like Faith, or Tiffany's parents, would see her:
  • She routinely commits assault and battery on people. In the best case, this involves draining a significant amount of blood, dragging them around by the collar and dumping them unconscious somewhere where they're easy prey for muggers, rapists etc.
  • Not all of these go so well. In the very first strip, a guy lost a tooth. And this guy is revoked. D-E-A-D, revoked. Not to mention the Didialike she intended to drain "EVERY DAY" (Next strip suggests she did so for a week). And then there's the simpler things that can go wrong - someone who'd recently donated blood, or had other problems that losing a significant amount could be severely damaging to their health; or whose bite gets infected. (And note that recent strips suggest that all Blair did was ply Nina with chocolate and that was enough to suppress her bloodlust all by itself, implying there's no need for *any* vampires to actually drink blood. Even before you consider the possibilities of farming animals for blood and so forth.)
  • Moreover, she's far from above using her vampiric powers for selfish reasons, for herself or her friends, with no consideration for the victim - note her little stunt with getting Tiffany's pay doubled. Presumably, Becky owns the shop, else she would have been fired for that (probably Tiff too in the bargain!). The profitability of small "mom'n'pop" shops isn't exactly legendary, so that could have had serious consequences for the viability of the business, or at least Becky's ability to draw a living wage for herself. All because she shouted at Tiff for goofing off, when she WAS.
Faith was a chaotically evil rapist. Regardless, Layla's a vampire. She has to drink blood, just look what happened to Nina when she didn't, stunted growth and a bloodthirsty rampage across town after a tasting single drop. Keeping a vampire bloodstarved is not a good idea™, even if you know how to do it, which she doesn't. It's not her fault she can't buy blood at the supermarket, but it probably is the fault of monsters like Faith and Blair. That guy at the start was a paranormal investigator by the way, his actions could have led to the murder of hundreds of innocent schoool children if Layla hadn't stopped him.

Oh and Layla was Becky's customer and the customer is always right, well known fact.

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brasca wrote:If this was just a memory dump then why would everyone be reacting like they are regarding Layla? Aside from some dangerous knowledge Layla had to gain a lot of power in this resurrection for Blair to attempt to stake her. Moreover, Queen Lamia probably wouldn't want to be resurrected if she didn't have the same power she once did. It would actually be worse for someone with so many enemies whose descendants would want revenge and could now take it out on a vampire teenager. Layla is a vampire, but if the werewolf community knew they could beat up a powered down version of Lamia they'd take it.

Looks like Blair is literally and figuratively in the dog house now.
Because the Vampires pretty reasonably expect to still be around when Layla matures enough to get Lamia's power. There's also no telling how much dirt she has specifically on Eugene and Maria. If all it takes for her to dodge old enemies is acting like a teenage vampire, well, she's got that covered.

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Re: Eerie Cuties 23-06-14 Like you have a choice

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Passing Through wrote:Faith was a chaotically evil rapist.
Not hardly.

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Passing Through wrote:Well most of what we've heard about Lamia comes from Nina 'failed at history' Delacroix. And most of the rest comes from her enemy Blair. If we take the stories Nina read about Layla of old at face value, all she really did was set her cat on a couple of murderous intruders.
That one poor guy just wanted to rescue a princess Lamia had captured and wasn't in a state to fight back before he was told Lamia had killed the princess (the "was" in "she was delicious") and then he got ripped to shreds by the cat. :(

And there are also the matters of the towns whose populations she reduced to zero with a few buddies because she was hungry.

And the whole thing about wives weeping at the unrecognizable remains of their husbands as the streets ran red with blood... :-s

So yeah, I am hoping our beloved Layla didn't really do those things in a past life.

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I do have to ask if Layla is still 'there' at all. It seems like Lamia has really overwritten her personality...

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Zippy wrote:
Gotoh wrote:
crimzontearz wrote:Layla grew up rather shallow, petty and despotic.
Such as....? :-\

'cuz the one I've seen is aloof, snarky, and generally means well. About the worst that can said about her, is the way she treats Ace sometimes. Yet we've seen that they've gotten along to.
Well, let's see. You're looking at her from the viewpoint of her (relative) friends. Let's look at her from an outside viewpoint - the way someone like Faith, or Tiffany's parents, would see her:
  • She routinely commits assault and battery on people. In the best case, this involves draining a significant amount of blood, dragging them around by the collar and dumping them unconscious somewhere where they're easy prey for muggers, rapists etc.
  • Not all of these go so well. In the very first strip, a guy lost a tooth. And this guy is revoked. D-E-A-D, revoked. Not to mention the Didialike she intended to drain "EVERY DAY" (Next strip suggests she did so for a week). And then there's the simpler things that can go wrong - someone who'd recently donated blood, or had other problems that losing a significant amount could be severely damaging to their health; or whose bite gets infected. (And note that recent strips suggest that all Blair did was ply Nina with chocolate and that was enough to suppress her bloodlust all by itself, implying there's no need for *any* vampires to actually drink blood. Even before you consider the possibilities of farming animals for blood and so forth.)
  • Moreover, she's far from above using her vampiric powers for selfish reasons, for herself or her friends, with no consideration for the victim - note her little stunt with getting Tiffany's pay doubled. Presumably, Becky owns the shop, else she would have been fired for that (probably Tiff too in the bargain!). The profitability of small "mom'n'pop" shops isn't exactly legendary, so that could have had serious consequences for the viability of the business, or at least Becky's ability to draw a living wage for herself. All because she shouted at Tiff for goofing off, when she WAS.
Doesn't count for much. She's a vampire. Saying she commits assault and battery on people is like saying people commit assault and battery on cattle (note: they don't :p) The difference is merely her food is sentient, but that doesn't mean she has to treat them any different than someone may treat a cow.

Of course, being sentient, this likely means she will treat them different, but still goes back to her species (vampire) doesn't likely consider what they do wrong. They consider it meal time.

Of course, it's made me think, can one be turned into a vampire in EC universe or is one just born a vampire?

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Passing Through wrote:
brasca wrote:If this was just a memory dump then why would everyone be reacting like they are regarding Layla? Aside from some dangerous knowledge Layla had to gain a lot of power in this resurrection for Blair to attempt to stake her. Moreover, Queen Lamia probably wouldn't want to be resurrected if she didn't have the same power she once did. It would actually be worse for someone with so many enemies whose descendants would want revenge and could now take it out on a vampire teenager. Layla is a vampire, but if the werewolf community knew they could beat up a powered down version of Lamia they'd take it.

Looks like Blair is literally and figuratively in the dog house now.
Because she's the Queen of the Vampires™, look at the way Dio reacted. She may or may not have gained power, but knowing how to use the powers she already has with far greater effect could alone be a game changer.
True, but it's still unclear as to what makes her powerful. In most vampire lore age = physical power, but that may not be the case in Eerie Cuties since these vampires are born and grow like human children until the aging process slows down almost completely. As such a 16 year old vampire could be as physically strong as one a 1000 years old. We know that Lamia lived for a thousand years so in that time she probably learned many things. As such she could be as proficient in spells and magik as any sorceress which would make her power more knowledge based than physical power. There's also the fact that she has the title, but that doesn't mean she has the throne. Do we know who the current vampire monarch is? For all we know Blair and his group may be working for the current king or queen who doesn't want to contend with a usurper or for that matter aristocrats who speak fondly of the late queen for the sake of appearances, but would prefer she remain dead much like the pure blood wizards of Harry Potter who loved Voldemort so much, but didn't really want to help restore him to power.

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All I can say is that Layla seems to have gained a better handle on her charisma. Which is honestly dangerous in and of itself. Reincarnation rules tells me she honestly could have the power to back things up with the knowledge but doesn't feel the need to use it. Ace/Blair wasn't an issue for her, currently they were the only threat to her. Now I'm pretty sure the werewolves in general are going to have a problem with this but we haven't gotten to that point yet.

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JoybuzzerX wrote:Of course, it's made me think, can one be turned into a vampire in EC universe or is one just born a vampire?
EC vampires are born that way. Maria all but said it here and we've seen what Layla and Nina were like as kids.

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The ability to turn others into vampires in some way does seem to exist though given how worried Tiffany was about it after being bitten.

Plus if you agree with the PMS and Vampire Cheerleaders stories being in the same universe as EC.

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@Varanus:

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Gotoh wrote:
JoybuzzerX wrote:Of course, it's made me think, can one be turned into a vampire in EC universe or is one just born a vampire?
EC vampires are born that way. Maria all but said it here and we've seen what Layla and Nina were like as kids.
There's also this comment from Adam Arnold (over at VC/PMS):
Adam Arnold wrote:Eerie Cuties' vampires are born and age.

Vampire Cheerleaders' vamps are made and don't age.
It may be possible for EC vamps to 'turn' others, but as they go through a normal reproductive cycle, I'd imagine they'd only do so in extremis - but whether those 'turned' vamps would be EC-type or VC-type would be a matter for debate.

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