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Question: Is their a wall in the Delacroix household with a Lamia's portrait hanging on a wall? I not notice such a pic of a portrait (some background details I sometimes forget about or miss), or is that reference of "portrait" from stories retold to Ace by Nina (those I remember reading).
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It was in a school textbook
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Here's the deal: we have had a flashback in which Lamia had some similarities to Nina. No matter if Nina is Lamia's reincarnation, the similarities are there. But it's a far cry to suggest that Eugene would "necessarily recognize her". He would notice the similarity, that's all. As far as we know, vampires don't have some kind of "soul sight" that would make it certain. So there, Gotoh, quit saying it would be weird for Eugene not to recognize her. It wouldn't. Not only "lookalike" doesn't imply "reincarnation", but "reincarnation" doesn't imply "lookalilke" either.
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Nina's frightening new look. :-s
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Awesome. I still think she looks kind of cute, though.
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Eerie, isn't it?
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vampire hunter D wrote:It was in a school textbook
This textbook

We don't actually know that Eugene personally knew Lamia; Nina may have assumed that her father knew her because he told stories about her around the campfire. Stories about Queen Lamia might be for vampires what tall-tales or ghost stories are for everyone else. Such stories are more believable, and entertaining, if you claim a personal connection. Keep in mind that Nina does tend to accept whatever she is told. Also, I'm not so sure that Nina looks all that much like Lamia; Nina seems to have a rounder face and less chin.

As a side note: "Mothers throughout Europe used to threaten their children with the story of Lamia.[9] Leinweber states, "She became a kind of fairy-tale figure, used by mothers and nannies to induce good behavior among children" Under Lamia in Wikipedia.
So Queen Lamia could the foundation for vampire fairy-tales.

We also don't know that Nina's parents are in the dark about Blair keeping an eye on Nina. We've only seen them when Layla, Nina, or their friends have been about, and if they do know, they certainly wouldn't reveal that knowledge to the children. Certainly, the Delacroixs' must have a strong incentive for putting up with Blair's antics. As for no one telling Layla that Nina shouldn't drink blood, and why, you are assuming that Layla wouldn't think that was a good thing. Or, that she might consider it a really bad thing and stake Nina herself. After all, older siblings don't take kindly to the idea that a younger sibling might rule over them. Of course, the thing with Nina and Blair might have nothing to do with Lamia. It's hard to connect Lamia with being born on Easter and having an anomalous craving for chocolate.
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Perhaps there are dire consequences for killing her prematurely? (Reminds me of the argument against time travel: If time travel was possible, someone would have gone back in time and killed Hitler. To which I point out that Hitler might have prevented something, or someone, much, much worse than Hitler.)

The bad news is that Nina actually managed to drink Tabitha's blood, which means she's probably the strongest thing in the building now.

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Cranium wrote:10cc's of TLC for @Bambikles as she is dying of suspense!
Hey ! I'm not a she, I'm a he ! Even if 2/3 of my avatars on this forum have been girls. :p
Ophidiophile wrote:Also, I'm not so sure that Nina looks all that much like Lamia; Nina seems to have a rounder face and less chin.
This can be easily explained/justified by Animation Anatomy Aging. That is, Lamis is an adult and looks like one, Nina is still a teenager, and a very late blooming one at that. The important thing is precisely that Lamia looks like what a grown-up Nina would look like. Though Lamia appears quite thin and even skinny in Nina fantasies, while I suppose a grown-up Nina would be more curvy. Not very curvy, but usually curvy (more boobs, hips and butt, that is).

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Hmm, maybe Queen Lamia had a disorder and Nina got the same. Whenever she drinks blood she gets like Nina is right know. As a side effect she might be very powerful when she is consciousness. Which might not be very often.
And Blair was tasked to prevent this. Good for the for the Vampires because they don't have deal with a mindless queen and good for the humans, because they don't have to provide the blood. ;;)

Of course like any other of the theories here, it does not explain why Blair would not tell the parents or let Nina have an accident.

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Bambikles wrote:Hey ! I'm not a she, I'm a he ! Even if 2/3 of my avatars on this forum have been girls. :p
I did not mean to offend you, I am sorry. I will try to avoid using He/she, him/her in the future posts. Tried to send PM but seems that feature is turned off as message is still in my Outbox.
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Oh, you didn't offend me. I just corrected you and tried to be humorous about it.
People often mistake me for a woman on the phone (even my mother once! :(( ), and THAT is really annoying. Being thought to be a girl on the internet is much more
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Bambikles wrote:
Ophidiophile wrote:Also, I'm not so sure that Nina looks all that much like Lamia; Nina seems to have a rounder face and less chin.
This can be easily explained/justified by Animation Anatomy Aging.
No, buzzwords don't somehow "explain/justify" anything on their own. Why would they? Even buzzsaws don't.
Bambikles wrote: That is, Lamis is an adult and looks like one, Nina is still a teenager, and a very late blooming one at that. The important thing is precisely that Lamia looks like what a grown-up Nina would look like.
"Have the same hair color as X in a book illustration" does not equal " looks like X would look like, but currently doesn't".
And even she did look strikingly similar, this would mean that... one of Nina's parents probably is her descendant, duh. :D
Bambikles wrote: Though Lamia appears quite thin and even skinny in Nina fantasies,
...it would be relevant at all only if you were willing to discuss with serious face Mel's experience at swan-riding. :)
Spinell wrote:Hmm, maybe Queen Lamia had a disorder and Nina got the same. Whenever she drinks blood she gets like Nina is right know. As a side effect she might be very powerful when she is consciousness. Which might not be very often.
And Blair was tasked to prevent this. Good for the for the Vampires because they don't have deal with a mindless queen and good for the humans, because they don't have to provide the blood. ;;)
Of course like any other of the theories here, it does not explain why Blair would not tell the parents or let Nina have an accident.
It does not explain anything at all - and does not predict much, either. Just ties in Lamia in a completely arbitrary way after ditching any reasons, however far-fetched, to do this in the first place.
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TBeholder wrote:
Bambikles wrote:
Ophidiophile wrote:Also, I'm not so sure that Nina looks all that much like Lamia; Nina seems to have a rounder face and less chin.
This can be easily explained/justified by Animation Anatomy Aging.
No, buzzwords don't somehow "explain/justify" anything on their own. Why would they? Even buzzsaws don't.
Lol whut? What is a "buzzword" ? :-\ (Looks at wiktionary... Great, now I feel insulted ! After all it says "pejorative").

What I meant is "of course" Nina as a rounder face and less chin, because this is a standard way to draw a character as physically childlike. Grown-up characters lose these features for sharper ones to look more adult. Lamia looks what one can expect of a Nina in her early twenties.
As for the colour of the hair, Nina's hair is very noticeable (purple with dark tips, seriously ?) and Lamia is the only other character to have it. Laws of narration suggests this should be important.

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Bambikles wrote:
TBeholder wrote:No, buzzwords don't somehow "explain/justify" anything on their own. Why would they? Even buzzsaws don't.
Lol whut? What is a "buzzword" ? :-\ (Looks at wiktionary... Great, now I feel insulted ! After all it says "pejorative").
Well, of course. Most people who would even consider writing into some or other part of ickypedia are the sort who must think perfectionism a horrible disease and get offended!!1 by mean people constantly pointing out that they are using buzzwords rather than trying to make sense. It's predictable. And that the JAMES VELDT FACTOR have SKYBRICKED every time ickypedia had a purge because TVTropes admin have soft spot for bootlickers, unfortunately, quickly got predictable too.
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Bambikles wrote:What I meant is "of course" Nina as a rounder face and less chin, because this is a standard way to draw a character as physically childlike. Grown-up characters lose these features for sharper ones to look more adult. Lamia looks what one can expect of a Nina in her early twenties.
..and a non sequitur. Nina does look younger, but "if she was not younger, they would look the same" doesn't follow from it. They got eyes set differently, for one.
Of course, almost everything early on is inconclusive due to gradually changing style, one way or another.
And, again, even if they were strikingly similar, such a resemblance on its own would means just about nothing. Lamia may have been Nina's ancestor, or the book illustrator could use as a model her relative, who according to surviving eyewitnesses kind of resembles Lamia - and not necessarily in the ways we look for.
Bambikles wrote: As for the colour of the hair, Nina's hair is very noticeable (purple with dark tips, seriously ?) and Lamia is the only other character to have it.
Why and out of how many? You're grasping at coincidences that aren't even demonstrably uncommon. This says, much less proves, nothing. Maybe half of Maria's daughters naturally have the same colours. Or maybe Nina uses a violet dye because she thinks this tone is so-o-o cool. She's a teen girl, for Drakula's sake! :))
Bambikles wrote: Laws of narration suggests this should be important.
Not really. In-universe, many characters have slightly more exotic hair tones than others, and so far other characters never gave a bottlecap about this, except in cases when someone likes blondes.
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Bambikles answered your statement of a couple of differences with an explanation for how it makes sense with typical drawing practices. Feel free to bring up more examples, which you did, but you don't need to be insulting about things before doing that.
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