Which hasn't stopped her from lying several times in the past, which has been used for plot purposes before.dex drako wrote:The reason I believe Cerise is telling the truth is because her lying adds nothing to her plans nor, more importantly, the plot as a whole.
Monologuing is hardly proof that she's telling the truth.dex drako wrote:Cerise gave us this information through a villainess monologue where Cerise explaining she's going to knowingly use the same plot device to gain power. Addressed to people she was planning to get rid of with whatever this magic circle does so she has no reason to lie to them and more importantly the author has no reason to lie to us. The same is true for Tiff's observation, at that point she wasn't just some real person with a wild theory she was a mouth piece of the author foreshadowing what's to come.
Ever read Bleach? 'cuz Souske Aizen loves to monologuek, and you know what he ends up saying more than half the time, 'x' number of chapters later? "I lied." Even when he doesn't say the words, 3 out of 5 times, he's lying through his teeth. At the end of chapter 177 the guy gave a 'how Idid it' speech, where he told Ichigo all about his evil plans, and how he put it together (just like Cerise). Come chapter 393, you know what he said about that monologue he gave back at the end of 177? "I lied."
Cerise track record may not be as extensive as Aizen's, but it's long been established that she lies like a rug; especially if she stands to gain from it. Look at what she did to Dusky, after she promised Tiffany she'd look after him for her. The moment Tiff's back was turned, Cerise fried Dusky and sold him up the river. Then lied about how she captured him. The same way she lied to Callista by pretending to take an interest in her, when she was just using Callista's popularity to elevate her own standing at the school. Then manipulated her by using Skye to make her jealous.
But, hey, let's ignore all that, 'cuz ain't no way she could possibly be lying now. This is about Faith, so she's gotta be telling the truth... this time.
How would lying again, not make her a threat?dex drako wrote:At this point it turning out to be a lie would raise real problems for the plot (like cerise being no threat) and the only advantage it would have is to make faith look better.
Two things here:dex drako wrote:Also your main point to criticism seems to come from this belief that no one can know faith better then herself in anyway. I mean it's not like Tiff and Cerise are saying they know everything about faith just that they can see one thing Faith couldn't. But even the thought that they could see something Faith herself knew on some level even if she couldn't admit it to herself repulses you.
1. I said it'd mean they somehow had a better understanding of her powers than Faith did. I wasn't talking about them knowing Faith, herself, better than she did.
2. The idea doesn't repulse me. I just find it difficult to believe.
Except you forgot the part where Faith told Mel that time flows differently in dreams, by pointing out how her body hadn't even hit the ground yet. Then said they had all the time in the world.dex drako wrote:Well let’s look at setup for the scene to try and make it a little more clear.Gotoh wrote:There's no way to really answer that either, since 'fade-out' girl intervened before Melissa could answer the question.
This was an attack on Mel by faith in a combat test, the rules of which where the fight stopped with a knockout. it's just simple logic that an attack would be useless if it didn't give the attacker an advantage over the attacked and this is clearly shown by Faith own statements and control she had. In fact faith told us the scales were tilted so far in her favor that random little girls with cats shouldn’t have been enough to break Mel out of her daze. We can also rule out any shared "dream" because the whole event had to happen in the time it took them to drop to the ground otherwise the fight would have ended in a double knockout.
And if you back over my post, you'll see that I already said that. I said her contempt towards Faith likely stems from envy but, at the same time, there is something about Faith that appeals to her. Even if it's just Faith's status.dex drako wrote:From the set up or Faith own words I don’t understand how anyone could believe to Mel had any control over what was happening. On top of this that at this point Mel had only known Faith for a few hours at most ( it was their first time in this class) in which Faith had publicly humiliated, assaulted and sexually harassed her leaves me unable to believe Mel could have any feelings of interest in Faith at all.