dex drako wrote:The Nick wrote:You're acting like she slipped a date-rape drug into her drink or bashed her on the head to the point of concussion to render her incapable of saying no.
new flash mind control is the the ultimate Date rape duge.
read the first
text bubble on this page again. Mel had no inhibitions and it is our inhibitions that allow us to say "NO" at that point mel might as well have been drunk off her A$$ or as high as a kite because any the part the part of her that could say "NO" couldn't be used. that means Faith was knowingly taking advantage of Mel while she was in diminished mental capacity state. so yes I am saying Faith "date raped druged" Mel. because by Faith's
own words it was next to impossinle for Mel to say "No" becuae those parts of her brain were not invited to the party.
which is very different then someone being stunned as you tryed to put it and a lot closer to the lead up to a rape.
now we're not twisting anything the molesting and rape like moments are there but what would be a creepy/horrible events in real life is just played down as a joke in a comic. the problem is some of us see throught the joke to the unintended consequences the joke would have in real life.
Luzahn wrote:Looking at Cerise in that last panel, I have to wonder whether she is at the school.
I'm suspecting that everybody in the woods is going to end up infiltrating brainwashed-zombie-school to take down Cerise. It just seems like something one would do. I mean, the authors did write all of the best fighters into one place...
That might not have been the best plan, Cerise.
think about it Cerise gathered all her greatest threats in one place where they're surrounded by an army of mind controled animals. now that sounds like a great plan to try and get rid of them all at the same time to me.
the_Bear wrote:Some people just seem to try to see everything Faith does in a worst light possible. She has plenty of her own character faults, no need to invent them. Since Tiffany acknowledged Faith's explanation regarding risk of blood infection, there is no reason for readers to doubt that Artemis hunters are very wary of anything monster related to the point of paranoia. While we don't know for sure if Faith's intervention was beneficial or disruptive to Melissa, from her point of view it was clear that there was something wrong with Mel and it was related to the object inside her, so trying to pull it out was pretty logical course of action, especially since there might be no time to deliberate. And while we discuss Faith saving the day, she declined to use weapons that could hurt possessed students at the risk to her own life, even when Tiffany thought it would be morally permissible, so clearly she is willing to sacrifice herself for others sake. Faith for me seems to want to be a good "guy", a heroine, like she thinks Tiffany kinda is, she just is too blinded by her huge ego, even if she starts to recognize this as a problem, she doesn't seem to know how to start dealing with it. She does seem to have a moral "core" , some kind of code of conduct she never crosses, though it could be a bit stricter, and what's important she doesn't seem to be malicious. Faith could make a great heroine if she had enough character growth to deal with her faults, which she might get quite soon.
and it can be said there are some people who just seem to try to see everything Faith does in the best light poissble as well.
I think faith's character can best be described by the old saying the road to hell is paved with good intentions. yes Faith wants to be the "good guy" but even the most vile villains are all trying to be the "good guy" the best way they know how so that's not good enough.
was Fiath trying to help Tiff sure but did she need to strip her completely nude and leave her that way, no she did that because she enjoyed it while knowing Tiff would find it creepy.
was faith trying to save Mel from the wand sure but keeping the wand like she did was not out of any kind of vertue.
Faith didn't want to hurt those possessed students but at the same time she has no trouble treating the whole student body as her slaves and sexual plaything with little interest in how they feel about it.
Faith wouldn't touch someone chest without them saying she could but she has no problem of messing with that person mind to get her to say yes.
all in all faith is a horrible character and I hope she learns a lot from this.
Eh, I've told girls that no inhibitions exist on Valentine's Day/in Disneyland/during Mardi Gras/behind closed doors, but that doesn't mean they automatically listen to me like they're my mind-slaves. It's clever language, there.
Also, if you want to play the 'it's all a dream' angle, it's MELISSA's dream.
On top of that, you're saying 'no inhibitions' means that Melissa is being taken advantage of. But the VERY NEXT THING that she says is "Nothing is forced." That's... literally the opposite of what you're suggesting Faith is trying to do.
Stuttering is not out-of-character so much that we can determine it was a rape attempt. People sometimes stutter in embarrassing situations or situations they truly enjoy. No matter WHAT extreme you think Melissa falls in, misspeaking two little words is not enough evidence to claim Faith is a felon.
Also, she's not actually stuttering. She's just pausing between words, unsure of what to say. Is it possible Faith is a good reader of people (whether it's because she's insightful or she looks into Melissa's mind) and what she's accusing Melissa of is exactly what Melissa honestly believes,
even if she doesn't consciously know it? Don't you think the possibility that being confronted with such a world-shaking revelation about one's sense of self takes more than 2.5 seconds to formulate a complete and thorough response to (especially considering how much disrespect she's shown to Cerise for the very same reasons)?
dex drako wrote:what you're describing is only one form of mind control and not the only form, any time one character goes into another characters mind to coerce someone to do something they wouldn't do otherwise is a form or mind control and that's what Faith did.
Merely going to a place to try and get somebody to do something that they wouldn't do elsewhere isn't automatically MIND CONTROL or RAPE.
If I suggest that people should make out with heavy petting in private and not in my classroom, that doesn't mean I'm exerting MIND CONTROL or RAPING them by trying to convince them to alter their behavior.
Doing seduction 'in the mind' would be the same as Faith suggesting Melissa come back to her room to be seduced as opposed to the school hallway between classes - she's suggesting there's certain places where you have inhibitions to do certain things and certain places those inhibitions don't exist. I'm not comfortable stripping naked on Main Street, for example, but I do it every single night when I take a shower in my bathroom and it doesn't bother me at all.
TBeholder wrote:The Nick wrote:Sometimes, when people are nervous in front of girls they like, they stutter.
...and so on and on. I don't see any point to argue this point further as long as you're still imitating Gotoh's habit of burying
any inconvenient questions in mostly-irrelevant verbal mazes. Have fun training Fluffy for demagogy resistance, however.
Come on, dude. There's no need for the blatant disrespect or the hate.
I'm not 'burying inconvenient questions'. I've answered ALL the questions asked of me. I'm merely suggesting a totally reasonable and plausible explanation for why somebody might speak slowly - their mental paradigm has been shifted by the weight of the suggestion that Faith has presented is a totally legitimate reason to pause for a moment and evaluate your next words.
Once, a police officer called me and I thought they told me that my parents were dead. I didn't immediately and without delay ask them for verifying information - I was STUNNED and took more than 2.5 seconds while saying, "wait... wait..." before I could even think of something to say.
This is not abnormal behavior nor does it paint me as a wimp or anything. It's just how people with emotions act in emotional times.
mikbuster wrote:Umm... it would be more like trapping Mel's mind in this chat room so that she had no choice but to be there and then lots of talking.
It was during a combat exam. Gotoh's explanation is actually a pretty good way of describing it.
It was a combat exam. If Faith stepped in and punched Melissa, people would be saying, "Faith is a violent aggressive sociopath with no sense of self-control or sympathy for others! Look at how easily she hits other people and Melissa didn't even punch her or provoke her once!" While this would be true in another situation (say, if Melissa were having lunch and Faith just dogpiled her with all of her friends), you have to take into consideration that they were voluntarily and consentingly placing themselves into a situation with clearly stated goals that might cause each other to have a slightly unpleasant experience. Heck, we've had combat training that involves
ceremonial arm breaking and people were like, 'yeah, that's just hard training'.
Storm-forge mystique wrote:...wow. That first paragraph has got to be the most glaring projection I've ever seen.
You realize that you're implying that Absinthe Green hates sex-positive fictional characters when I'm pretty sure AG's opening paragraph is a strong denunciation against the people who arbitrarily declare 'liking sex = evil'.