Artemisia wrote: Marzipple wrote:
Also I am pretty sure that in this comic
that Faith's mind juice is rubbing off on people, and making them feel sexually aroused, because Mel hadn't lost her train of thought until Faith arrived.
Actually, having been in a not quite similar situation I can say that it is easy to get distracted by a beautiful bit of half-naked person even if someone isn't influencing you. So, no, I would not say that she was going to lose train of thought because of Faith.
I have also been in a similar situation, and have a fantastically short attention span, but I wouldn't have gone from trying to deduce whether I was in the Twilight zone straight to short-term-memory-loss oggling. (I would have just reacted like Jacqui.) Also, Ash had already been shirtless a strip before, and Mel seemed more weirded out by him than erotically distracted.
Don Alexander wrote:Come on, Marzipple, Mel's reaction has nothing to do with Faith or any of her mind juice at all. Mel is clearly overwhelmed by ASH and his Adonis physique! So far, Mel has been pretty much straight...
Haha! I actually that might be part of why Mel succumbed to Faith's mind juice, because she is straight and does think Ash is overwhelmingly hot--therefore she was more susceptible to some rogue emotions Faith could have been emitting.
TazTheTerrible wrote:Now that I will acknowledge. Faith definitely does things that aren't quite okay, and on occasion things that are seriously not ok. Though I would argue that she doesn't appear to manipulate her harem much. Those girls seem to do it because they honestly want to please Faith. Could be mind-juice related, but given that we have no proof of said mind-juice and whether or not it is conscious on Faith's part even if it is a factor, I'm not going to call that manipulation.
Well I never said Faith manipulated everyone
, I just said she did use her strengths in a manipulative way, whether they be charm, charisma, or psychic abilities. However, at the beginning of the strip when she has it so that the coven's skirts dropped in front of everyone, it seemed as though this was some normal "initiation" Faith always
did to people because everyone always found it fun or amusing. So she uses peer pressure to manipulate a certain situation. I don't think whether she is or isn't psychic plays a large role in whether or not that makes her any more or less of a jerk, but how she uses those powers does.
As for the dream thing with Mel, I wouldn't exactly call that manipulation since it was about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the knees, though that's a matter of semantics I suppose. Is seduction manipulation by default? Depends on your definitions. I'm not saying it wasn't a problematic thing (though how problematic exactly is rather iffy where it concerns vaguely described psi-powers) but it doesn't strike me as a course of action typical for a manipulative personality. It seemed much more a matter of "Faith wants something, Faith goes for it, hard".
This seems to have more to do with her lacking sense of boundaries.
I suppose this part depends on how you perceive the situation, but from my point of view Faith manipulated the environment and Mel's lack of consciousness in order to use hormones to seduce Mel. I'd honestly equate Mel's situation to getting buzzed or drunk except that it was more like someone spiked her drink than Mel getting drunk due to her own immaturity or responsibility.
So yes, I believe in that instance Faith used her powers and sexual prowess as way to manipulate Mel into a submissive state. Understandably, when concerning romance or intimacy, this sort of thing can happen naturally sans any magical powers, and there might actually be some natural sexual tension or romance, but without mind-reading we don't know that.
Since we don't know that I tend to take Mel constantly telling Faith "no" at face value, in that it means "no." Mel has not shown that she has any actual feelings for Faith other than disgust/dislike/jealousy so I haven't interpreted anything she's said beyond that.
However I don't think Faith's lack in understanding boundaries means that excuses her manipulating others. And yes I acknowledged that other characters in the comic tended to be manipulative, but I think Faith takes it to an extreme because she goes after a lot of people without regards for personal boundaries.