Magick Chicks 28-12-11 A superhero

[Azrael]

What you're saying means that Tiffany wants to exterminate an entire race of intelligent beings for basically no reason. That would make her the monster.

No, just a teenager.

[Aquila89]

What now? I don't recall planning genocide when I was a teenager.

So, Tiffany would want to kill Nina too? Even if she knew that Nina eats nothing but chocolate and likes to hug trees?

[Random Wanderer]

What you're saying means that Tiffany wants to exterminate an entire race of intelligent beings for basically no reason. That would make her the monster.

Slayers are inherently racist. It comes with the position. Tiffany is simply clueless enough that I believe she hasn't thought her racism through to the degree that most others would.

So, Tiffany would want to kill Nina too?

Probably. And she'd probably be no better at actually doing it than she has been at killing Layla, because she'd end up having fun with the cheerful, bubbly little girl and forget what she thought she was supposed to be doing.

[Ravenhull]

That's what she has been taught to think, and seems to believe on the surface level. But, it appears that this hasn't taken a full hold in her inner self. TVTropes refers to this as "Van Helsing Hate Crimes".

[Aquila89]

Well, I thought slayers are racist too, but it was my impression that this manifests in the belief that vampires are all brutal, soulless murderers. I think Tiffany saw this as an unquestionable fact.

I too think Tiffany couldn't kill Nina, but if she knew that Nina doesn't drink blood, she wouldn't even try.

[Azrael]

What now? I don't recall planning genocide when I was a teenager.

So, Tiffany would want to kill Nina too? Even if she knew that Nina eats nothing but chocolate and likes to hug trees?

Perhaps not, but teens tend to see things in absolute terms. Monsters are all bad / all monsters must die. But with Layla this World view seems to becoming, at least a bit, coloured with shades of gray.

[TazTheTerrible]

I think it's more along the lines of Tiff intially believing Layla is a killer because that's how she's been trained. Let's not forget, not only does she go to a monster hunter school, she comes from a family of Slayers. Being a slayer is more than a job for her, it's who she is.

The fact that she never actually carries through on hurting Layla looks more like her instincts and her kind nature (together with the narrative and by way of her ditziness) preventing her from killing a being that isn't inherently evil.

It's something she realizes on an instinctual level, but I think it might be a bit much to expect of someone so scatterbrained to question everything that defines her as a person very quickly.

But she may begin to now.


As for Faith, I'd see her as being tempted by Tiff's helplessness, but I think she'd instead think better of it and just put Tiff to bed, possibly even stand guard over her until she wakes up again. It seems like the sort of thing she'd do for someone she considered a comrade in arms.

['J']

What now? I don't recall planning genocide when I was a teenager.

So, Tiffany would want to kill Nina too? Even if she knew that Nina eats nothing but chocolate and likes to hug trees?

if a rabbit told you that it wanted to kill all wolves, could you really blame it?

[Aquila89]

If there were vegetarian wolves, yes.

[Storm-forge mystique]

I think Tiff should give up any pretense of being a slayer. She just confronted a raging vampire, and she fed her and let her go. I don't know why Faith is impressed, actually. Yeah, Tiff solved the crisis, but that's not how slayers are supposed to do it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: falling in love with a vampire is a job requirement. Tiff has graduated.

[Gil Hamilton]

I don't think racist is the right word to describe Vampire hunters. Vampires aren't innocents being abused by separate group, they exist by actively brutalizing human beings. That puts a significant grey area into the mix. Racism implies that vampires are the victim of unfair prejudice, which aside from Nina, doesn't seem to be the case here. Remember why Layla was this situation in the first place; she tried to take advantage of what appeared to be a doggie playdate so that she could attack Faith and feed on her. The fact that she inadvertently picked a teenager who happened to be a psychic powerhouse and aware of the existence of vampires is irrelevant. If Faith hadn't been so far up her own butt, she'd have left Layla dead on the floor with a table leg in her chest and moreover she'd have been justified in doing so.

Depending on the circumstances and the nature of vampires, humans don't exactly have alot of options BUT killing them. This is one question I've asked that has never been answered. If a vampire has been caught by authorities, what the hell do you DO with one? I've detailed this before, you can't incarcerate them, because even if you have a system that can readily confine them, you still are obligated to care for them (which you can't do, because they survive by drinking human blood). You can't let them go, because they'll just keep on attacking human if you do and that isn't allowable in a just society. So if imprisoning them isn't an option, ignoring them isn't an option, and they are never going to voluntarily stop (which is understandable, since they need to eat), what do you have left other than execution?

From a human perspective, monster hunters executing vampires upon capture may be the best of a bad set of options. It's better than throwing them in a box till they starve to death or letting them continue to victimize human beings. This isn't racist, it is an unfortunate result of the nature of vampires. Remember, what we know of the history of this world is that vampires used to openly and unabashedly commit atrocities against humans and that is from monster history books, which presumably frame monsters in a good light. Now, imagine what humans must think of those same events. When Faith called Layla a murderer, she probably wasn't exaggerating based on vampire history.

Now, if they extend this to monsters that aren't be definition anti-social, which they seem to do, then there is a prejudice there and the monster hunters bear some fault. But so far, I don't see it.

[Aquila89]

I don't know why do you read this comic if you think that the protagonist deserves to be murdered. No, Faith would not have been justified in killing Layla, because Layla didn't want to kill her, and would not have caused serious harm to her.

I find your statement that vampires can't be imprisoned to be unfounded. Maybe not by human authorities, but what about magic? We don't know enough about this world to make such judgements. Also, vampires could be fed by voluntary blood donations. Since vampire bites can be very pleasurable, there would be volunteers.

Since humans are not seriously harmed by vampires like Layla and her family, I think their extermination is unjustified. Killer vampires, that's different. But Layla isn't one, not even when her "primal instincts" are brought out.

[Ravenhull]

I hope this don't turn into some of the stuff I've been seeing on the VC threads...

[Aquila89]

What is VC?

[Ravenhull]

Vampire Cheerleaders.